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"Messygirl BJ Custom Experience"
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Zeptometer said: It blows my damn mind that y'all would get quoted an unbelievably good price for a custom, miscommunicate over some emails, and then go straight to UMD to try and blow up MG (and Penelope)
If you have proof, post it. Otherwise, please don't rock the boat for the rest of us
Thanks MG and Penelope. Y'all do great work
If you have proof, post it. Otherwise, please don't rock the boat for the rest of us
Thanks MG and Penelope. Y'all do great work
I've never said one bad thing abt Penelope, so not sure what you are talking about. But here I'll post my what's with MG here, but they are long. You're probably gonna look at these and still find a way to misconstrue my thoughts.
3/18/25, 10:24am: 3 images removed after admin review
3/18/25, 10:10am: Screenshots of private conversation uploaded, but we can't allow publication of other users' private messages. Everyone is encouraged to share with the community any issues they have with any producer, and speak about agreements made and broken, but people here need to trust that actual DM's will be held in confidence. Messmaster can still see all messages and remains available to help mediate disagreements among private parties.
3/18/25, 10:10am: Screenshots of private conversation uploaded, but we can't allow publication of other users' private messages. Everyone is encouraged to share with the community any issues they have with any producer, and speak about agreements made and broken, but people here need to trust that actual DM's will be held in confidence. Messmaster can still see all messages and remains available to help mediate disagreements among private parties.
Taiko said: MG is complained about on here for customs, or lack of delivery, every couple of months now.
I had the same issue previously, and I hadn't tried to haggle a price at all. I send the details, asked for the quote, accepted and paid in full and then got met with the same excuses. Getting the cash back was a nightmare, and due to currency exchange rates left me out of pocket.
There's going to end up being another complaint made by someone else soon enough I expect. What are the admin team planning to do to try and prevent this, if anything?
I had the same issue previously, and I hadn't tried to haggle a price at all. I send the details, asked for the quote, accepted and paid in full and then got met with the same excuses. Getting the cash back was a nightmare, and due to currency exchange rates left me out of pocket.
There's going to end up being another complaint made by someone else soon enough I expect. What are the admin team planning to do to try and prevent this, if anything?
Absolutely correct!!! MG is the big producer and always Wammer of the Day but the company does not live up to that reputation for sure. Unreliable and uncommunicative and uncaring for the service they commit to.
Price has nothing to with it. $75 or $400. If a committed agreement has been made, honor it. Don't lie, don't deceive, don't ignore.
Zan said: Didn't realize Penelope & "Messygirl" had gone their separate ways. Last I'd read somewhere on here Long ago, Penelope was apparently set to be taking over the Messygirl Brand once they retired. Guess that fell apart. (or maybe that info was incorrect) Regardless, Nice to hear Penelope is planning to continue making messes. Please let us know when you do.
Of Course, I feel sorry for people on both sides who have had issues with their Customs. To most customers off the street, there's no awareness of what is or isn't a good rate, and no concept of what the expected turn-around time might be (especially if they have no first hand experience)
And producers get inundated with requests on the regular that end up going nowhere once costs are explained, but also get called out when a customer doesn't get a response/reply immediately.
I've toyed with the idea of getting a custom for years (hell decades) at this point, and yet I've never been able to convince myself the hassle would be worth the Return on Investment.
Threads like this continue to reinforce that thought.
PS - While, hopefully everything works out. I do think there should be more transparency in everything that goes into producing various types of custom fetish content and what reasonable expectations would follow. If more people understood the realities of producing their fantasies, maybe we'd all be a little happier?
YMMV
Of Course, I feel sorry for people on both sides who have had issues with their Customs. To most customers off the street, there's no awareness of what is or isn't a good rate, and no concept of what the expected turn-around time might be (especially if they have no first hand experience)
And producers get inundated with requests on the regular that end up going nowhere once costs are explained, but also get called out when a customer doesn't get a response/reply immediately.
I've toyed with the idea of getting a custom for years (hell decades) at this point, and yet I've never been able to convince myself the hassle would be worth the Return on Investment.
Threads like this continue to reinforce that thought.
PS - While, hopefully everything works out. I do think there should be more transparency in everything that goes into producing various types of custom fetish content and what reasonable expectations would follow. If more people understood the realities of producing their fantasies, maybe we'd all be a little happier?
YMMV
Honestly, these customs aren't worth the hassle. I have learned my lesson. This was my first experience trying to get a custom, and everyone is telling me that I should be paying thousands of dollars. And that for the money I spent I deserve to be treated like trash.
Transparency and frequent, honest communication could have easily mended this situation. But i guess that just too much to ask for.
gooeypiefight said:
Absolutely correct!!! MG is the big producer and always Wammer of the Day but the company does not live up to that reputation for sure. Unreliable and uncommunicative and uncaring for the service they commit to.
Price has nothing to with it. $75 or $400. If a committed agreement has been made, honor it. Don't lie, don't deceive, don't ignore.
Taiko said: MG is complained about on here for customs, or lack of delivery, every couple of months now.
I had the same issue previously, and I hadn't tried to haggle a price at all. I send the details, asked for the quote, accepted and paid in full and then got met with the same excuses. Getting the cash back was a nightmare, and due to currency exchange rates left me out of pocket.
There's going to end up being another complaint made by someone else soon enough I expect. What are the admin team planning to do to try and prevent this, if anything?
I had the same issue previously, and I hadn't tried to haggle a price at all. I send the details, asked for the quote, accepted and paid in full and then got met with the same excuses. Getting the cash back was a nightmare, and due to currency exchange rates left me out of pocket.
There's going to end up being another complaint made by someone else soon enough I expect. What are the admin team planning to do to try and prevent this, if anything?
Absolutely correct!!! MG is the big producer and always Wammer of the Day but the company does not live up to that reputation for sure. Unreliable and uncommunicative and uncaring for the service they commit to.
Price has nothing to with it. $75 or $400. If a committed agreement has been made, honor it. Don't lie, don't deceive, don't ignore.
EXACTLY! I am not sure why it's so hard to comprehend this for others.
Taiko said: MG is complained about on here for customs, or lack of delivery, every couple of months now.
I had the same issue previously, and I hadn't tried to haggle a price at all. I send the details, asked for the quote, accepted and paid in full and then got met with the same excuses. Getting the cash back was a nightmare, and due to currency exchange rates left me out of pocket.
There's going to end up being another complaint made by someone else soon enough I expect. What are the admin team planning to do to try and prevent this, if anything?
I had the same issue previously, and I hadn't tried to haggle a price at all. I send the details, asked for the quote, accepted and paid in full and then got met with the same excuses. Getting the cash back was a nightmare, and due to currency exchange rates left me out of pocket.
There's going to end up being another complaint made by someone else soon enough I expect. What are the admin team planning to do to try and prevent this, if anything?
Nothing probably.
From the replies on this forum is seems that many people have had the same issues as me, but some of the other creators don't see an issue with this sort of behavior.
It kinda feels like its Creators vs Customers and the creators have all the power.
SlapstickBabes said:
I guess you better save up lol
wammer20 said:
Would love to see you do a pie in the face BJ!!!
Vivian said: gurlll I'm up for any business opportunity!! I'll be doing anythinggg I love messygirl sm and I love wam sm and I talked to Penelope awhile ago and I'm so ready to be a messygirl!! Penelope will initiate me and I really wanna do this BJ experience it sound good
Would love to see you do a pie in the face BJ!!!
I guess you better save up lol
Encouragement is free lol
Sent a gift to MG Brittney thru MG but they said they never got it. Confirmed it was shipped to the correct address, and confirmed it was delivered. Maybe it'll turn up on one of their models in the future.
Personally I'm just happy that Penelope is still around she is my absolute favourite model. I remember her debut on messygirl and was really sad when she left. Then elated when she came back as I'm sure most were. It is a shame she is no longer affiliated. But I look forward to future work from her
SlapstickBabes said:
Models are still signing those silly contracts they can't shoot with other WAM producers for x amount of months?
luvs2pie said: I would think for these models in messygirl it would be at least 1,000 for just the model to give a bj then then extra for the mess and the supplies and content creators time for shooing prep and clean up
$150 is basically pro bono work cause they gonna loose money in this for sure
Also can't believe for wam the rate is that low
Between that, piracy, and difficulty / grossness of being coveted in food and loosing your own clothes and likely smelling for several days, makes sense we many models end up going to more lucrative types of content and fetish work
$150 is basically pro bono work cause they gonna loose money in this for sure
Also can't believe for wam the rate is that low
Between that, piracy, and difficulty / grossness of being coveted in food and loosing your own clothes and likely smelling for several days, makes sense we many models end up going to more lucrative types of content and fetish work
Models are still signing those silly contracts they can't shoot with other WAM producers for x amount of months?
Yes! It's so stupid!! As a model I would NEVER do that! That's cutting your own throat. As a producer, I'm always trying to get my girls to make the most amount of money possible. I send them to all of my industry friends even if they shoot the same genre! There's enough money and work for everyone. All in all I want these models to be successful and want to keep shooting. The turnover rate of girls already sucks.
Please mess me up!
wj123 said: FWIW: @Penelope, what a great message from exactly the sort of professional that I'm betting all of us want to order from. Thanks for being awesome here, and in every video you've done.
Hands down one of the best on the Mt. Rushmore of this genre. Mad respect
Hands down one of the best on the Mt. Rushmore of this genre. Mad respect
Awee. That's such a sweet comment! Thank you very much!! I appreciate that.
Please mess me up!
This thread went from being a real downer to surprisingly uplifting, all thanks to Penelope.... A true legend!
And I think the possibility of Penelope shooting her own messy content and/or working with a variety of other producers can only be a net positive for WAM as a whole, right??
And I think the possibility of Penelope shooting her own messy content and/or working with a variety of other producers can only be a net positive for WAM as a whole, right??
Zan said: Didn't realize Penelope & "Messygirl" had gone their separate ways. Last I'd read somewhere on here Long ago, Penelope was apparently set to be taking over the Messygirl Brand once they retired. Guess that fell apart. (or maybe that info was incorrect) Regardless, Nice to hear Penelope is planning to continue making messes. Please let us know when you do.
Of Course, I feel sorry for people on both sides who have had issues with their Customs. To most customers off the street, there's no awareness of what is or isn't a good rate, and no concept of what the expected turn-around time might be (especially if they have no first hand experience)
And producers get inundated with requests on the regular that end up going nowhere once costs are explained, but also get called out when a customer doesn't get a response/reply immediately.
I've toyed with the idea of getting a custom for years (hell decades) at this point, and yet I've never been able to convince myself the hassle would be worth the Return on Investment.
Threads like this continue to reinforce that thought.
PS - While, hopefully everything works out. I do think there should be more transparency in everything that goes into producing various types of custom fetish content and what reasonable expectations would follow. If more people understood the realities of producing their fantasies, maybe we'd all be a little happier?
YMMV
Of Course, I feel sorry for people on both sides who have had issues with their Customs. To most customers off the street, there's no awareness of what is or isn't a good rate, and no concept of what the expected turn-around time might be (especially if they have no first hand experience)
And producers get inundated with requests on the regular that end up going nowhere once costs are explained, but also get called out when a customer doesn't get a response/reply immediately.
I've toyed with the idea of getting a custom for years (hell decades) at this point, and yet I've never been able to convince myself the hassle would be worth the Return on Investment.
Threads like this continue to reinforce that thought.
PS - While, hopefully everything works out. I do think there should be more transparency in everything that goes into producing various types of custom fetish content and what reasonable expectations would follow. If more people understood the realities of producing their fantasies, maybe we'd all be a little happier?
YMMV
Unfortunately, you are right about that. I was in fact set to take over Messygirl eventually. MG saw me take a four figure business and make it into a six figure business overnight. He trusted how I ran my business and would love his business ran like mine. It's a shame that I had to step back from everything. I truly love Messygirl.
I've taken my fate and decided it's time to make my own place. It would be a very very long time before I would be able to run Messygirl.
I do agree with you that there needs to be more transparency when it comes to customs. It seems like the rates and customer desires don't go hand-in-hand.
Typically, the rates for Messy should be $250 per model, $100 for supplies, $100 production fee, and any specialty wardrobe should be covered. And still, this rate is absolutely great!
I think that the issue that a lot of producers have is they end up spending the money or putting the money into their bank account before the shoot is booked or shot. In which case out of sight out of mind. Essentially, if the producer would keep the money in their money transfer site until the video is shot then it makes it a lot easier to either return the money if the customer on request or have motivation to shoot the video.
Either way there needs to be more transparency.
Please mess me up!
wammer20 said:
Honestly, these customs aren't worth the hassle. I have learned my lesson. This was my first experience trying to get a custom, and everyone is telling me that I should be paying thousands of dollars. And that for the money I spent I deserve to be treated like trash.
Transparency and frequent, honest communication could have easily mended this situation. But i guess that just too much to ask for.
Zan said: Didn't realize Penelope & "Messygirl" had gone their separate ways. Last I'd read somewhere on here Long ago, Penelope was apparently set to be taking over the Messygirl Brand once they retired. Guess that fell apart. (or maybe that info was incorrect) Regardless, Nice to hear Penelope is planning to continue making messes. Please let us know when you do.
Of Course, I feel sorry for people on both sides who have had issues with their Customs. To most customers off the street, there's no awareness of what is or isn't a good rate, and no concept of what the expected turn-around time might be (especially if they have no first hand experience)
And producers get inundated with requests on the regular that end up going nowhere once costs are explained, but also get called out when a customer doesn't get a response/reply immediately.
I've toyed with the idea of getting a custom for years (hell decades) at this point, and yet I've never been able to convince myself the hassle would be worth the Return on Investment.
Threads like this continue to reinforce that thought.
PS - While, hopefully everything works out. I do think there should be more transparency in everything that goes into producing various types of custom fetish content and what reasonable expectations would follow. If more people understood the realities of producing their fantasies, maybe we'd all be a little happier?
YMMV
Of Course, I feel sorry for people on both sides who have had issues with their Customs. To most customers off the street, there's no awareness of what is or isn't a good rate, and no concept of what the expected turn-around time might be (especially if they have no first hand experience)
And producers get inundated with requests on the regular that end up going nowhere once costs are explained, but also get called out when a customer doesn't get a response/reply immediately.
I've toyed with the idea of getting a custom for years (hell decades) at this point, and yet I've never been able to convince myself the hassle would be worth the Return on Investment.
Threads like this continue to reinforce that thought.
PS - While, hopefully everything works out. I do think there should be more transparency in everything that goes into producing various types of custom fetish content and what reasonable expectations would follow. If more people understood the realities of producing their fantasies, maybe we'd all be a little happier?
YMMV
Honestly, these customs aren't worth the hassle. I have learned my lesson. This was my first experience trying to get a custom, and everyone is telling me that I should be paying thousands of dollars. And that for the money I spent I deserve to be treated like trash.
Transparency and frequent, honest communication could have easily mended this situation. But i guess that just too much to ask for.
Thousands of dollars is an over exaggeration. There are a lot of producers that will put a lot of money, time, etc. into a shoot. Some rent Airbnb's, some will spend four hours shooting a custom like this. You have to take into consideration the main thing which is the models fee. The going rate for a blow job custom is $500 an hour. That's just for the model fee for the female. The male gets paid about $100 an hour. Lucky guy! Lol. Shit like this should take no more than an hour. So you're looking at $600 just the Model fees, $100 in supply fees, and $100 in production fee. That's about $800 for a shoot that you're asking for. realistically.
You shouldn't be down on yourself. There may be plenty of guys on here that can do this for cheaper. MG & Peyton can do this in no time for a much better rates. I think that if you reach out to him and ask him to re-shoot this, he'd probably be more than happy to.
I don't believe anyone's coming down on you in this thread or coming down on Messygirl on this thread. I think the fact of the matter is that there's a whole inside world when it comes to messy production that people do not understand as well as producers who don't have the work ethic of Other producers.
Please mess me up!
wamguy said: Personally I'm just happy that Penelope is still around she is my absolute favourite model. I remember her debut on messygirl and was really sad when she left. Then elated when she came back as I'm sure most were. It is a shame she is no longer affiliated. But I look forward to future work from her
You're so sweet!! Thank you!!
Please mess me up!
Hey Penny.
Just dropping by to say hello hun & hope you're well hunny
Just dropping by to say hello hun & hope you're well hunny
Unfortunately, you are right about that. I was in fact set to take over Messygirl eventually. MG saw me take a four figure business and make it into a six figure business overnight. He trusted how I ran my business and would love his business ran like mine. It's a shame that I had to step back from everything. I truly love Messygirl.
I've taken my fate and decided it's time to make my own place. It would be a very very long time before I would be able to run Messygirl.
I do agree with you that there needs to be more transparency when it comes to customs. It seems like the rates and customer desires don't go hand-in-hand.
Typically, the rates for Messy should be $250 per model, $100 for supplies, $100 production fee, and any specialty wardrobe should be covered. And still, this rate is absolutely great!
I think that the issue that a lot of producers have is they end up spending the money or putting the money into their bank account before the shoot is booked or shot. In which case out of sight out of mind. Essentially, if the producer would keep the money in their money transfer site until the video is shot then it makes it a lot easier to either return the money if the customer on request or have motivation to shoot the video.
Either way there needs to be more transparency.
I've taken my fate and decided it's time to make my own place. It would be a very very long time before I would be able to run Messygirl.
I do agree with you that there needs to be more transparency when it comes to customs. It seems like the rates and customer desires don't go hand-in-hand.
Typically, the rates for Messy should be $250 per model, $100 for supplies, $100 production fee, and any specialty wardrobe should be covered. And still, this rate is absolutely great!
I think that the issue that a lot of producers have is they end up spending the money or putting the money into their bank account before the shoot is booked or shot. In which case out of sight out of mind. Essentially, if the producer would keep the money in their money transfer site until the video is shot then it makes it a lot easier to either return the money if the customer on request or have motivation to shoot the video.
Either way there needs to be more transparency.
I am glad to see you taking your own direction. I was supposed to have a session with you years ago, and set it up through MG, Sent deposit, then got the runaround at the last minute citing scheduling issues from them, and I had scheduled weeks beforehand. Got the respose that I could set something up with one of the traveling models if they were in my area. That never happened and I never did get my deposit back. Although, I am curious if the OG Messygirl Leah is still involved or is it just her husband now. I don't believe she posts, or if she is even still involved in the process.
cmdstek1 said: Unfortunately, you are right about that. I was in fact set to take over Messygirl eventually. MG saw me take a four figure business and make it into a six figure business overnight. He trusted how I ran my business and would love his business ran like mine. It's a shame that I had to step back from everything. I truly love Messygirl.
I've taken my fate and decided it's time to make my own place. It would be a very very long time before I would be able to run Messygirl.
I do agree with you that there needs to be more transparency when it comes to customs. It seems like the rates and customer desires don't go hand-in-hand.
Typically, the rates for Messy should be $250 per model, $100 for supplies, $100 production fee, and any specialty wardrobe should be covered. And still, this rate is absolutely great!
I think that the issue that a lot of producers have is they end up spending the money or putting the money into their bank account before the shoot is booked or shot. In which case out of sight out of mind. Essentially, if the producer would keep the money in their money transfer site until the video is shot then it makes it a lot easier to either return the money if the customer on request or have motivation to shoot the video.
Either way there needs to be more transparency.
I've taken my fate and decided it's time to make my own place. It would be a very very long time before I would be able to run Messygirl.
I do agree with you that there needs to be more transparency when it comes to customs. It seems like the rates and customer desires don't go hand-in-hand.
Typically, the rates for Messy should be $250 per model, $100 for supplies, $100 production fee, and any specialty wardrobe should be covered. And still, this rate is absolutely great!
I think that the issue that a lot of producers have is they end up spending the money or putting the money into their bank account before the shoot is booked or shot. In which case out of sight out of mind. Essentially, if the producer would keep the money in their money transfer site until the video is shot then it makes it a lot easier to either return the money if the customer on request or have motivation to shoot the video.
Either way there needs to be more transparency.
I am glad to see you taking your own direction. I was supposed to have a session with you years ago, and set it up through MG, Sent deposit, then got the runaround at the last minute citing scheduling issues from them, and I had scheduled weeks beforehand. Got the respose that I could set something up with one of the traveling models if they were in my area. That never happened and I never did get my deposit back. Although, I am curious if the OG Messygirl Leah is still involved or is it just her husband now. I don't believe she posts, or if she is even still involved in the process.
I suspect Leah has not been involved in the actual company for a very long time now.
Glad to see I'm not the only one in this boat then.
I placed an order for a custom back in July 2024, paid over $900 upfront, fulled expected it to be a couple of months, then the same as everyone else. Kept getting told it would be filmed "this month, "planning on next month" or "in the next couple of weeks"
As you say, it's the lack of transparency of no communication that is beyond a joke, going to be avoiding customs from now on.
Shame about the whole MostWam saga as they (Charlotte) was often fantastic at this kind of thing, never had a problem with her.
I placed an order for a custom back in July 2024, paid over $900 upfront, fulled expected it to be a couple of months, then the same as everyone else. Kept getting told it would be filmed "this month, "planning on next month" or "in the next couple of weeks"
As you say, it's the lack of transparency of no communication that is beyond a joke, going to be avoiding customs from now on.
Shame about the whole MostWam saga as they (Charlotte) was often fantastic at this kind of thing, never had a problem with her.
Reading through this thread, I hope everyone in this thread that is owed something has a contract. If you have a contract and the terms are spelled out, if they are violated you are in breach of contract waters. Hopefully everyone can get what they want.
To the person who started this post. You probably think that MG is lying to you but you're wrong. I asked them to do a custom from me last year and I had the patience of a gentleman, and I got it. Then I ordered another one last year as well and their model had some setback with her modern life and couldn't make it. So they messaged me if they could do a different model and different scene and I said "Sure" cause I have no problem with them. And finally I wanted to do a third custom but I forgot that I had some bills to pay and asked them for a refund, and they were having some problems with their account, but they were true to their word and send it back to me. I've been a fan of MG since I joined UMD and they don't disappoint their fans.
P.S. Penelope is one of my five favorite models from MG and I'm so glad she still doing work with MG and scenes of her own. You're the best Penelope.
P.S. Penelope is one of my five favorite models from MG and I'm so glad she still doing work with MG and scenes of her own. You're the best Penelope.
SlapstickStuff said: This thread went from being a real downer to surprisingly uplifting, all thanks to Penelope.... A true legend!
And I think the possibility of Penelope shooting her own messy content and/or working with a variety of other producers can only be a net positive for WAM as a whole, right??
And I think the possibility of Penelope shooting her own messy content and/or working with a variety of other producers can only be a net positive for WAM as a whole, right??
Stahhppp making me blush!!!
Please mess me up!
OMG! What are you doing calling Penelope a legend. are you mad? She will never fit her head thru the door! If I cast her in a movie she will charge more! Will I now have to bow in her presence?
Penelope is a true professional, and yes I have met her in person and she is very good looking and a really nice person. She can be very bossy! And heaven forbid if you piss her off, she is a tough wrestler and will snap you in half. LOL
Phil
Penelope is a true professional, and yes I have met her in person and she is very good looking and a really nice person. She can be very bossy! And heaven forbid if you piss her off, she is a tough wrestler and will snap you in half. LOL
Phil
Penelope said:
You know I adore yoU! Hopefully, you come to visit soon!
Sploshman said: Hey Penny.
Just dropping by to say hello hun & hope you're well hunny
Just dropping by to say hello hun & hope you're well hunny
You know I adore yoU! Hopefully, you come to visit soon!
Awww bless you hunny
I'm back in Houston next month for Easter & then gonna be at the Vegas meetup
SlapstickStuff said: This thread went from being a real downer to surprisingly uplifting, all thanks to Penelope.... A true legend!
And I think the possibility of Penelope shooting her own messy content and/or working with a variety of other producers can only be a net positive for WAM as a whole, right??
And I think the possibility of Penelope shooting her own messy content and/or working with a variety of other producers can only be a net positive for WAM as a whole, right??
Could we maybe see a Slapstick Stuff/Penelope collaboration at some point in the future? Send the entire wam community into a frenzy lol
Bradley k said:
Could we maybe see a Slapstick Stuff/Penelope collaboration at some point in the future? Send the entire wam community into a frenzy lol
SlapstickStuff said: This thread went from being a real downer to surprisingly uplifting, all thanks to Penelope.... A true legend!
And I think the possibility of Penelope shooting her own messy content and/or working with a variety of other producers can only be a net positive for WAM as a whole, right??
And I think the possibility of Penelope shooting her own messy content and/or working with a variety of other producers can only be a net positive for WAM as a whole, right??
Could we maybe see a Slapstick Stuff/Penelope collaboration at some point in the future? Send the entire wam community into a frenzy lol
Collaboration between various models will happen on occasion, but less often is a true collaboration amongst Producers. I too would love to see what would happen if Rich and Penelope were able to Team up and produce a slew of content, or if Jayce finally met up with The Man & The Wife, or etc. etc. Honestly the real limiting factor appears to be geography and trravel expenses more often than anything else. But yeah it's a great idea. Implementing the idea... that's the trick.
Dirty Muse said: OMG! What are you doing calling Penelope a legend. are you mad? She will never fit her head thru the door! If I cast her in a movie she will charge more! Will I now have to bow in her presence?
Penelope is a true professional, and yes I have met her in person and she is very good looking and a really nice person. She can be very bossy! And heaven forbid if you piss her off, she is a tough wrestler and will snap you in half. LOL
Phil
Penelope is a true professional, and yes I have met her in person and she is very good looking and a really nice person. She can be very bossy! And heaven forbid if you piss her off, she is a tough wrestler and will snap you in half. LOL
Phil
**Note to self: be sure to piss off Penelope**
Bradley k said:
Could we maybe see a Slapstick Stuff/Penelope collaboration at some point in the future? Send the entire wam community into a frenzy lol
SlapstickStuff said: This thread went from being a real downer to surprisingly uplifting, all thanks to Penelope.... A true legend!
And I think the possibility of Penelope shooting her own messy content and/or working with a variety of other producers can only be a net positive for WAM as a whole, right??
And I think the possibility of Penelope shooting her own messy content and/or working with a variety of other producers can only be a net positive for WAM as a whole, right??
Could we maybe see a Slapstick Stuff/Penelope collaboration at some point in the future? Send the entire wam community into a frenzy lol
Please and thank you! Penelope in a white bikini and chef hat getting decked with pies in a Crusty's Cream Pies skit, or getting clobbered with cakes in a rude restaurant patron scene? Hell yes.
cmdstek1 said: Unfortunately, you are right about that. I was in fact set to take over Messygirl eventually. MG saw me take a four figure business and make it into a six figure business overnight. He trusted how I ran my business and would love his business ran like mine. It's a shame that I had to step back from everything. I truly love Messygirl.
I've taken my fate and decided it's time to make my own place. It would be a very very long time before I would be able to run Messygirl.
I do agree with you that there needs to be more transparency when it comes to customs. It seems like the rates and customer desires don't go hand-in-hand.
Typically, the rates for Messy should be $250 per model, $100 for supplies, $100 production fee, and any specialty wardrobe should be covered. And still, this rate is absolutely great!
I think that the issue that a lot of producers have is they end up spending the money or putting the money into their bank account before the shoot is booked or shot. In which case out of sight out of mind. Essentially, if the producer would keep the money in their money transfer site until the video is shot then it makes it a lot easier to either return the money if the customer on request or have motivation to shoot the video.
Either way there needs to be more transparency.
I've taken my fate and decided it's time to make my own place. It would be a very very long time before I would be able to run Messygirl.
I do agree with you that there needs to be more transparency when it comes to customs. It seems like the rates and customer desires don't go hand-in-hand.
Typically, the rates for Messy should be $250 per model, $100 for supplies, $100 production fee, and any specialty wardrobe should be covered. And still, this rate is absolutely great!
I think that the issue that a lot of producers have is they end up spending the money or putting the money into their bank account before the shoot is booked or shot. In which case out of sight out of mind. Essentially, if the producer would keep the money in their money transfer site until the video is shot then it makes it a lot easier to either return the money if the customer on request or have motivation to shoot the video.
Either way there needs to be more transparency.
I am glad to see you taking your own direction. I was supposed to have a session with you years ago, and set it up through MG, Sent deposit, then got the runaround at the last minute citing scheduling issues from them, and I had scheduled weeks beforehand. Got the respose that I could set something up with one of the traveling models if they were in my area. That never happened and I never did get my deposit back. Although, I am curious if the OG Messygirl Leah is still involved or is it just her husband now. I don't believe she posts, or if she is even still involved in the process.
Well let's set up a session!! When will you be back?!
Please mess me up!
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