I will see if she is down to smash still before telling her about the wam stuff then. I am sort of into the bet videos online that I see though. And I like that all the pie hits are pretty different. Some barely cover the face and others cover the whole head and then some. The element of surprise is sort of what got me into it to begin with.

If she is cool with where the discussion leads on the pies maybe I can get her to do some role play with me where I lose the bet. I want her to get me pretty good with the pies.

Telling her it turns me on definitely is going to be a big step. But I am pretty sure she wont hate the idea. Even if it dont turn her on like it does me, she will probably want some licked off her or to atleast pie me for getting on her nerves at some point over a 15 year time period.

I hope this girls spidey sense goes to 11 when you propose this however you choose to and she runs. I am sure she has had the why can't I find a nice guy conversation with you as well. You see her having issues with guys and think I could be so much better for her than the guys she goes after. You have been friends for 15 years, I am pretty sure she knows how you feel.

Ok

Firstly it doesn't matter about any past act, what has happened or been said. Each new act is in the 'here and now' so new consent is needed each time, especially if things have changed. In this case consent is enthusiastic e.g. a "Yes" and not "Well she didn't say "No"".

Having a BF doesn't change anything, hating her BF doesn't change anything, being bi or a striper doesn't change anything. Knowing she "Likes fucking" doesn't change anything. They are an autonomous human being and can have different feelings at anytime INCLUDING DURING AN ACT.

Taking a pie is sexual for you, regardless of boner or not. This will be a sexual act for you regardless of others in the room, context, clothes and what happens before or after. Anyone you are with needs to know this or you are not telling them the truth (lies by omission). Pranking her into it is NOT consent, Love Island bets thing is NOT consent. It IS tricking as you are omitting the truth.

Consent can only be obtained if the mind is in the right place, being stoned or drunk is NOT the right place.


If you want something, be honest an open. Yes it may feel weird, our kink is a little strange. She may say no to sex but be open to other things, like clothed pies. Negotiation is ok but each "No" is final and needs no explanation. You can ask her not to tell anyone else and if she is your friend she will agree to that.


Also the line "But I would never take advantage of the chick. She is wifey material. She got full nude at my house hammered, and I just let her sleep in my bed and sleep in my guest room." does not show respect as everyone should be doing this as a bare minimum! This just means you are not a rapist (and stating it as a virtue is very creepy/red flag)!

Everything @sliver_sea said.

You get off on seeing people pied. That's fine, perfectly normal around here. But if you want someone else to participate, either by pieing you or being pied themselves, they need to know and consent, in advance, to taking part in something that is your fetish. Even if you don't respond or act sexually at the time, they still need to know and agree, in advance.

Anything else is non-consensual. It really is that binary. If you don't want this person to know you have a fetish for pies, then don't involve them in pie fetishism.

One way to broach the subject is to give her (directly or indirectly) a story featuring a male being pied by his girlfriend and see what her reaction is.

Feel free to DM me to discuss further.

Cheers!

Jason

That's not really your business. You should stay out of her relationship and let them work it out on its own instead of using it as an opportunity to fuck her. She's a human, not a sex toy. Leave her alone. It sounds like you're trying to take advantage of someone in a vulnerable situation, with is 7 levels of disgusting.

I get yall want me to be as straight forward with her as possible in regards to the pies/wam stuff. Even in a non sexual manner because it may become sexualized easy. That makes sense to me. And after talking with some of yall here it seems to the only proper way to introduce her to it.

But why are yall mad im trying to smash my former fuck buddy? They aint officially dating either. Im on the same level of friendship with the girl this dude is. The only difference is me and her broke it off on good terms for more serious relationships (we are both out of now)and this dude seems like he is straight irritating her everyday and not going to be able to stay fuck buddies for much longer. I aint robbing this dudes wife, wifey, facebook official gf none of that. Her shit says single, she is grown, im definitely going to invite her to chill soon, and try and smash at the very least.

Perhaps the most opposing part of that last ditch, was to attempt to redeem it with the clarrification "im trying to smash my former fuck buddy". Hence "former" and now she's in relationship, a relationship as in married.... Or am I missing something?? Oh right her facebook staus, I see, you know we're all apes right, some of us may mess up and not change a drop down box. Some may even think its fine to f*ck someones monogamous wife without their consent being a total c*nt to humanity.

Hindsight is such a great thing. What others have mentioned on here could save you a lot of Karma down the line. Its your life, but consider that rections of the few ruin much for the many.

Language is one of the most important parts of any culture. It is the way by which people communicate with one another, build relationships, and create a sense of community.

It is really telling that you have to rely on Facebook to find out if she is single and Facebook posts where everyone bitches to find out what is going on in this person's life. There is friend zone and then there is you.

Na it aint like what some of you making it out to be with them is all im saying. We are two dudes that smashed a single girl at different times nothing wrong with that. There aint no relationship is all im getting at. I dont need facebook to tell that, facebook official is just a term in modern day times. She acts like she is single. I am not doing shit wrong by inviting my "single" friend over my house. If she is still down to be a fuck buddy, that will become evident quickly.

Huh you really have lost yourself and your care to humanity.
There is a lot of past tenses that you have used to fortify your case. Evidently, the continuous delusional comments of your "f*ck buddy", whom is married, seems not to knock your absurdity to want to "smash". The unfortunate thing is that whatever anyone says on here your going to do it anyway. Inviting anyone over and coercing them with drugs to cloud their judgement is a serious slimy act breaking any consensual agreements.

Ultimately the only way that this story will end is when you become a cropper having crossed the wrong persons wife/lover etc. It will happen kid yourself not.



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SO to everyone on this thread. I wouldn't bother continuing this discussion as clearly this person has no remorse for others or their opinions. Sitting back and watch them get burnt may be the only solution.