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I check the ID and if I deem it valid, I accept it. I do additional work for store owners who submit W9's. I do all the due diligence that I possibly can without violating your privacy by submitting your information somewhere.


A 2257 Custodian of Records statement is requirement is for anyone who uploads explicit content or owns a store. It is not a document but a statement. I verify age based on the photo ID that is also submitted, and for that it's only a visual inspection.


Precisely. The same thing applies if you are a producer working with a customer or another producer. I run a platform and check everything that I can, but it's ultimately up to everyone to be vigilant about knowing who they are working with.


The 2257 is your statement that says all your models are legit and you have the receipts to prove it. If you're doing explicit content, you have to keep these records by USA law (but you don't have to send them to us). I voluntarily extended the requirement to also include store owners even if not offering explicit content.


I think your line of reasoning could use a little tweaking Verified people are required to send in a valid ID as a matter of compliance, not as a legal requirement, but falsifying those records could have legal ramifications. Just because the requirement is not "legal" does not imply that can simply be ignored or that there is no point to it. That said, verification is no guarantee of the person's business practices, and is no substitute for doing your own research. There are people who have done actual business with this person who were apparently duped. That had nothing to do with UMD's verification system.


I've reviewed their ID, W9, and 2257. They were all consistent with Kelsey Rose.


Even before Elon Musk, verified users would have their publicist or whoever make posts for them. There have always been accounts run by businesses or multiple users. It was never a big deal. The point was that the verified person was on the hook for whatever the account did. If you wanted to do business with someone you found on Twitter, you would not have ever used their verification system instead of doing your own research on the person.


I think you answered your own question


This is correct. We all need to stay vigilant about who we are dealing with.


When I had to implement the verification system in the first place, I took on two years' worth of people's wrath saying I was going too far, violating privacy, or succumbing to The Man. I built it to literally take as little of people's information as technically possible, and then I set up a system to store if offline for extra safety. This is the promise that I've made to the people who have already submitted their info, and I've never shared anyone's information under any circumstance. It doesn't make sense now to start uploading everybody's information and doing background checks. Even if they check out as legitimate now, there would be no guarantee of them having good business practices or staying the same over time, and any discrepancy would surely be blamed on UMD even more intensely. We can all see how that would go.


This is exactly what the forums are for. If someone has a bad experience, I encourage the to discuss it here so the community can be aware. Somehow the forum itself usually ends up getting the wrath, but the point is to empower people to discuss this stuff.

Let's try that again.

I understand why you need to store certain information about certain profiles, e.g. to run a store or to post particular pictures. That's all fine, no argument here.

My question is: why do you need to display the green tick?
* If someone is running a store, that automatically means that they've met all the requirements to be a store owner.
* If someone is posting naked photos, that automatically means that they've met all the requirements to post naked photos.

I.e. the green tick isn't conveying any extra information to other forum users. You (MM) need to know that they're verified, but it's irrelevant to everyone else (under the current definition).

It lets visitors (and the billers) know that the user has submitted their verification info, and that there is at least something to check against upon request. It means we've done our due diligence for the person and that we are operating in compliance. Just because it's not a complete background check on the person's identity doesn't mean that the green check has zero value. What you take from it depends on you, but people do appreciate it.

People are rightly angry that they have been duped, but no amount of document checking is going to stop lying and misrepresentation.

MM could require people to provide 14 different pieces of corroborating evidence and some scoundrel would do that and then still lie about who they are.

Ok, but that doesn't mean we can't take a few minutes and review the processes and procedures? I don't think anyone is really dressing anyone else down at this point, perhaps because "Kelsey" split so readily as opposed to other previous forum miscreants.

So, no, we won't stop every instance of fraud, and we can't undo what happened here, but it's definitely within our purview to stop for a minute and say, "Is there anything we could be doing better?" especially since so far the conversation hasn't gotten out of control IMHO.

"I've reviewed their ID, W9, and 2257. They were all consistent with Kelsey Rose."



So tax fraud on top of everything else

Yup, that's what we're doing!


We don't know that. If the financials are tight then the IRS won't care about what they did on a fetish site. But their docs are really not up for discussion.

@TheManandWife, tell Lilly if she likes what she sees, the head of the Lilly fan club is single. Jk lol

I definitely read it as rage quitting rather than a sincere admission. But like, rage quitting in a way that's designed to garner sympathy in order to keep the ruse going.

People seem like their mind is made up this was all an elaborate scam and at the end of the day, I think nothing short of "Kelsey Rose" making some sort of video being like "hey it's me, I'm real" is going to fix that... But I'm also not going to assume 4D chess about people's motives in their messages when they're being booted out from this community. I know I say stupid shit all the time when under stress

I agree, not that it means anything but I think the person behind the Kelsey Rose account is a female.

I admittedly read it as rage quitting at first as well, but as more information appeared, my skepticism increased.

Here's how Rich of SStuff put it about 18 months ago RE Kelsey:

"No, I believe you're a totally different person in L.A. posting and tweeting independently of SlimedModels Richie. Do I think you're the hot 20-something Goth woman in your pics.... who also has a VAST knowledge of older WAM scenes from the early 2000s, along with an encyclopedic knowledge of YCTOTV? The same woman who's completely uninhibited in posts and tweets about her love of WAM, and messing up hot models.... But won't take a single pic of herself with the models she messes up (before or after), or even a non-messy pic of herself showing off her slime? See, that's where I have my doubts."

Kelsey's eventual response was to post this: "They say a picture is worth a thousand words...What's that one worth?"

The accompanying photo was recently confirmed to be a DIFFERENT model.

So, no one has confirmed to have met or seen Kelsey, not even her close confidant Slimed Models, and her big gesture back then to say, "I am who I say I am, here's a real pic of me" turned out to be a photo of someone else?

It's akin to if people said I wasn't actually Balrog from SF:2 Turbo (spoiler alert: they'd be correct, I'm not) and then I posted a photo of some generic boxer to prove I was who I said I was. Trust gone.

I don't have a horse in this race beyond hoping for the common good, and I don't actively wish this person ill.

Has there been confirmation as to who the person behind the keyboard actually was? Nope. Just apparent proof that they were not who they said they were.

But anyway, that was my journey from doubting to eventual acceptance.

Sourcing for 2022 convo here: https://umd.net/forums/ycdtotv-retro-slime-scenes

W H A T

Now who am I supposed to talk to about being inducted into Shadaloo?

This just demonstrates my guile!

Vega seems like an upstanding representative of their organization, try him.

Hey dude! Heads up, I'm just noticing that your photo is the photo affiliated with this thread/topic when you open up the forums. You may wanna remove it so no one gets confused and thinks you're the culprit.

Because you're not reading the proper threads you're not fully informed. Read the forum thread by Slop Slvt on how Kelsey Rose is not a real person. The person used in the image Kelsey has been posting as herself passed away in late 2021 and this is a real catfishing that has happened with this person's image, please read the thread about it for more information.