I've always considered you a real tuning fork, WJ.

Humiliation for me....best would be TOTAL distress...because she's stripped, tied up, gagged and maybe she is forced to get some pain with nipple clamps on her tits...in addiction to this,a lot of mess.... :devil:

just my opinion....

I'm actually fine with seeing the girl enjoy herself during a scene, but if the script calls for her to be angry/upset/humiliated, then playing up that angle is fun. I know a lot of customers prefer that type of scene so I try to do them regularly.

Key for me is the model's acting abilities... and then the editing afterwards. A perfect example would be Scene 2 from rising star Brin.... If you watch the unedited footage, it's clear she's loving the experience and just "getting into character" when she gets more and more pissed off with each additional pie.
BUT in the final edit I just finished, the main scene is just her rising anger and frustration throughout. So it makes for a nice humiliation clip.
And then the Outtakes have all the bits of her being goofy and funny and laughing hysterically and talking about how tasty the pies are. So... Best of both worlds?

(Aside: Are "pratfalls" inherently more humiliating? Maybe it comes from being introduced to WAM via mainstream TV, but I think a woman falling face first into a cake, or having an entire bowl of slop upended on her, has more of a humiliation element than the usual pie.)

Meant to answer earlier and since the discussion has been revived... I like fake humiliation. That is, the appearance of anger and humiliation, but if the victim is really hurt, angry, embarrassed... it's a turn off. Even if we don't see the outtakes in something like Slapstick Stuff's videos, we can assume that most mainstream wam is staged and the girl is in on the joke.

Slapstick Stuff's earlier "Brin" (Sabrina, redhead) does it particularly well.

Yup, she was definitely one of the best. I think Brin 2.0 (HA!) might be better though.

I haven't asked her to do anything with true humiliation yet, I'm guessing she'll nail it.

It's lovely when you get a model who just gets it

I agree completely ... exaggerated and theatrical embarrassment for a start, and the acceptance of the slimy destiny in the end (but not enjoyment)...more like the submission and "oh well, I lost" attitude.... "ah, just pie me, I'm such a loser"