There was a thread on here a while ago where people were talking about the Alison Jack circus pieing and how it was a shame there wasn't a better quality clip of it available. Just by talking on here about what we remembered about the clip, it turned out that a better quality version of it had been on YouTube for a few years, we just didn't know where to look for it.

YouTube supposedly has 14 billions videos, many of which must include messy content, but WAMmers are only going to find it if WAM-related words appear in the video title or description. How many videos just happen to include great WAM but this isn't detected by search engines?

Music videos seem like a goldmine, for example. Some really little known artists seem to get messy in their videos, but unless someone in their modest fanbase is into WAM, it will likely go undetected.

I'm not a big fan of AI, but a potentially decent use for it would be if it could learn what a pie in the face or a gunging looks like, making it easier to find what you're looking for on the internet.

I'd be willing to bet that the amount of content out there that contains WAM elements but isn't explicitly made for the WAM fetish is on par with or may even exceed the stuff you find on fetish sites.

Just off the top of my head, you've got:

- trash the dress photoshoots and videos

- for some reason horse races tend to attract a lot of mud wrestling

- I've honestly found a lot of stuff by accident. I found a photoshoot of a lady doing a photoshoot with her husband dressed up because I think I searched something to the tune of "swimming long dress" and her blog post had a paragraph about how she was worried about swimming in a long dress with water that was over her head.

- pro tip: go to the Wetlook forum and search an item of clothing you're looking for. There's a video on YouTube titled "car wash prank" that's of a dude spraying his sister in a dress with foam and then washing it all off.

Do you have a link to the higher quality Alison Jack clip? I can't see it in the thread,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6pZp3kb1Yg&pp=ygUQQWxpc29uIGphY2sgcGllZA%3D%3D

Still only 360p, but better than what was around before. The clip is getting on for 25 years old so I think it's as good as we'll get.

Actually the loop I put together using a trimming tool looks a little better than that to me.

https://www.youtubetrimmer.com/view/?v=-5vE2P3Dt6E&start=1317&end=1367&loop=0

Everybody needs to just hang on tight. Think of AI's capabilities right now. This is the PONG of AI, imagine what it's gonna be able to do in a decade. Imagine showing it an image or typing a phrase and it being able to scroll the interwebz looking for it based on imagery in both still photos AND video. It's coming, and it's gonna be wild!

Scary as well as exciting though. Not sure I trust people to use it ethically and responsibly.

In theory, you're probably right.
But in practice?? I feel like a lot of the "undiscovered" WAM is mainly just mediocre stuff that wouldn't really move the needle. (I mean, think of how many clips on YouTube are just a guy/girl couple answering questions and pieing each other. Gotta be more than 10,000 by now. But how many of those are better than "average hits with shaving cream on a paper plate"? Not many.)

And then you DO have some gems lurking around.... Like the better quality Alison Jack clip. Or an (okay) "lost" clip from the '85 show Motown Revue that was hiding inside a complete episode that someone uploaded randomly. But those are few and far between. And I should know! Because I still have a (sentimental?) attachment to mainstream WAM, and with current mainstream stuff basically gone, I'll devote a little time to scanning YT and elsewhere for "missing" clips..... Looking for complete episode uploads and so on, rather than a WAM channel getting a scene.

But the bulk of this stuff? It's probably out there in SOMEONE'S possession, but they're not making it available. All those "Holy Grail" scenes that people have hunted for years.... from '70s variety shows, to cute girls getting pied in random TV commercials, to famous lost scenes from Elvira and Electric Company and so on.... They're still MIA. I'd love to think that they're already online, and we're just not looking in the right spots.... But the real reality is that a ton of mainstream clips from the early days of TV up through the early '80s might NEVER surface.... Especially now that no one buys DVD collections anymore, and streamers don't care about digging up complete seasons of forgotten shows from 50 years ago.

I hope I'm wrong though, as companies do occasionally scroll through their archives and release stuff that interests us. (Sometimes for free!) And once in a while, a YT channel happens to unearth something rare. So you never know!
But it does feel like the early promise of "all recorded media eventually available online" isn't happening, and won't be happening anytime soon.

So I was watching my nitrate print of LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT again last week, and did you know that there there's a pie fight between Marceline Day and Edna Tichenor in reel four? Skimpy flapper outfits, really gloopy pies, about five minutes long. Hot stuff!

Searching for lost scenes is a down-time hobby of mine (how lame is that, Jesus). I agree with Rich that there isn't a lot out there that is "hidden" from us due to the large amount of media available online. Don't sell our community short-- if there is a mess scene out there someone on Youtube has probably found it and posted it to their WAM playlist. That is actually a great place to find scenes you might not have seen before. Explore those WAM playlists. A lot of crap but some good hidden amateur gems.

With mainstream stuff. I will take some old show that has been uploaded in its entirety on Youtube and quick scan through it to see if there was any mess. For example, here was an old English show, What's Up Doc, from the 90s that I scanned through and found a few decent scenes in poor quality, but I am pretty sure they were scenes that have already appeared somewhere on a WAMTEC cliptape somewhere-- i.e., not really new.

Recently I have been searching through long clips or shows with Marie Osmond looking for a particular scene that I remember from my chilldhood (she pies, I think, David Copperfield). No luck. Also scanning old Mike Douglas shows on the off chance I find a great scene I have mentioned on here before, with Mike pieing a hot blonde in a saloon skit. No luck. Anyway, the hunt is fun in and of itself because occasionally, rarely, you find something.

In terms of English speaking film and tv, not a ton. Something will pop up once in a blue moon (props to myself for finding the Ann Margaret clown pie), but nearly everything that was preserved has been identified. I do think there is signifcant chunk of WAM from continental Europe, and probably even more from Asia, that has not been identifed or found. However, that is really kind of a crap shoot. Years ago someone posted this scene from a Spanish Variety Show Un Dos Tres (which I think might be the best TV egg scene I ever saw) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qEHaJ7EeAE&t=71s but I imagine most of the episodes of the show were not recorded on vhs, etc.

By any chance do you have the link for this one?