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"How Much Does Scene Length Matter?"
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Monthly poll here!
I've always been curious about this one:
How much does scene length matter when purchasing WAM videos?
Whether it be something you've been looking forward to, or something you just happened to stumble across.
Could be a favorite model of yours or one you've never tried/is new to you.
Comment below about your choice! Would love to hear if there is a too short or even too long a length for scenes.
I've always been curious about this one:
How much does scene length matter when purchasing WAM videos?
Whether it be something you've been looking forward to, or something you just happened to stumble across.
Could be a favorite model of yours or one you've never tried/is new to you.
Comment below about your choice! Would love to hear if there is a too short or even too long a length for scenes.
Slime...more slime!!!!!
My opinion would be depending on the scenario.. The scenes at your store need to be to support a script, and should be as long as needed for your production. While other scenes not all are simply non scripted, and just straight up WAM. Then clearly they will be shorter.
Just for the record, you guys are doing great. I love the scenes and substance textures, and models you use. Keep up the great work
Just for the record, you guys are doing great. I love the scenes and substance textures, and models you use. Keep up the great work
A good questionbut tough to answer.
For me cost does play some role as well. If I'm gonna drop $20 (or close to that or even more on rare occasions) on a vid I would expect it to be at least 10 minutes (give or take) long. However sometimes they can almost be too long. I mean $9.99 for 40 minute video seems like a great deal but am I really gonna "watch" for 40 minutes. For me I would say that 8-20 minutes is that sweet spot, depending on price. Of course there's always some vids that are only 5 minutes and are must haves due to a particular model or costume or substance used. Content trumps length but it's nice to feel like you're getting your money's worth too.
Does any of that make any sense?
For me cost does play some role as well. If I'm gonna drop $20 (or close to that or even more on rare occasions) on a vid I would expect it to be at least 10 minutes (give or take) long. However sometimes they can almost be too long. I mean $9.99 for 40 minute video seems like a great deal but am I really gonna "watch" for 40 minutes. For me I would say that 8-20 minutes is that sweet spot, depending on price. Of course there's always some vids that are only 5 minutes and are must haves due to a particular model or costume or substance used. Content trumps length but it's nice to feel like you're getting your money's worth too.
Does any of that make any sense?
I guess it depends on the scene. If I'm getting exactly what I want, a shorter scene is alright. I'm pretty vocal about this, but when watching a scene, I love the initial impact, and seeing clean hair become messy, and I adore reactions and some eye contact...but about 90% of videos have a brief shot of the slime hitting, and then the model looks up and takes a face full of slime, and that just kills it for me...and I'm not interested again until the face is wiped clean. Then we have other videos that do what I like, but then the camera randomly pans away from the models face and hair to the floor or the feet...sometimes raunchy videos start off great, but then they get...well...raunchy and we're getting close ups of lady parts and you're not seeing the models face again...Then there's pies, a pie in the face is he same as looking up and taking face full of slime to me, not into it. I get it, it's all about trying to cater to everyone's special kinks in one video to make more sales. Now there are some scenes that are longer that hold my interest throughout, but most of those have been my customs haha. So basically longer can be better, or it can be bad...I mean it kind of sucks having a bigger video file when you're only interested in a couple seconds of the video, but at the same time, you have more chances to get what you're into. Also on the other hand if you have a longer video where you're consistently getting to see what you like, then hey, why not?
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The chances are when someone watches a video, as mentioned above, they're probably only going to watch 5 to 15 minutes of it - the old joke that if anyone's watching the end credits of a porn movie its failed in its objective. 
However, with a longer scene you have more choice of which 5 minute section you're going to enjoy on any particular viewing, the first time you view it you might only watch the first 5 minutes, but on a subsequent viewing, skip forwards to 10 minutes in to enjoy a particular section, say where a second model, still clean, first sits on something messy.
There's also a general rule that in erotica, the price should generally be $1 per minute of footage. So if a scene is only 8 minutes long but priced at $20, many people will assume its bad value and not purchase. There are situations where you can charge more, say two models in full latex, you could probably charge $20 for 10 minutes, because genuine latex is rare in WAM films. But then again, it's fairly easy to make a two-person scene at least half an hour long without really trying, and then you get the "viewer can watch different sections each time" effect benefits too, so there's no real advantage in shooting artificially short scenes.
Having said all that, in my case length isn't usually something I pay much attention to when making purchse decisions, things like clothing style (low-rise clothes == no sale), or camera angles (can't see the models legs getting messy == no sale) are the big issues for me. Fetish scenes generally sell when several trigger factors for a given viewer all line up, things like scene length or $ per minute will then tend to be secondary factors, though something that's great value on top of having lots of triggers will generally help.
However, with a longer scene you have more choice of which 5 minute section you're going to enjoy on any particular viewing, the first time you view it you might only watch the first 5 minutes, but on a subsequent viewing, skip forwards to 10 minutes in to enjoy a particular section, say where a second model, still clean, first sits on something messy. There's also a general rule that in erotica, the price should generally be $1 per minute of footage. So if a scene is only 8 minutes long but priced at $20, many people will assume its bad value and not purchase. There are situations where you can charge more, say two models in full latex, you could probably charge $20 for 10 minutes, because genuine latex is rare in WAM films. But then again, it's fairly easy to make a two-person scene at least half an hour long without really trying, and then you get the "viewer can watch different sections each time" effect benefits too, so there's no real advantage in shooting artificially short scenes.
Having said all that, in my case length isn't usually something I pay much attention to when making purchse decisions, things like clothing style (low-rise clothes == no sale), or camera angles (can't see the models legs getting messy == no sale) are the big issues for me. Fetish scenes generally sell when several trigger factors for a given viewer all line up, things like scene length or $ per minute will then tend to be secondary factors, though something that's great value on top of having lots of triggers will generally help.
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My scenes just keep getting longer and longer, and I'm not sure why that is. (Well, I know why that is. I write longer scripts with more gags and more mess and linger more on the aftermath.)
I think it really depends on your objective. In my younger days, it was easy to shoot 5 scenes in a few hours, and they were all short with minimal setup. But as the setups got more complicated, the scenes got longer. Nowadays, I actually prefer if a local model just comes in to shoot one or two scenes. She's fresher, I'm not scrambling, and I also tend to pack a LOT more into those 1-2 scenes.
Mya comes in to shoot one scene at a time and I basically pull out all the stops, and typically we wind up with about 75-90 minutes worth of raw footage for ONE SCENE. Editing that down to just 20 minutes (plus outtakes) actually takes some effort!
I think it really depends on your objective. In my younger days, it was easy to shoot 5 scenes in a few hours, and they were all short with minimal setup. But as the setups got more complicated, the scenes got longer. Nowadays, I actually prefer if a local model just comes in to shoot one or two scenes. She's fresher, I'm not scrambling, and I also tend to pack a LOT more into those 1-2 scenes.
Mya comes in to shoot one scene at a time and I basically pull out all the stops, and typically we wind up with about 75-90 minutes worth of raw footage for ONE SCENE. Editing that down to just 20 minutes (plus outtakes) actually takes some effort!
cmdstek1 said: My opinion would be depending on the scenario.. The scenes at your store need to be to support a script, and should be as long as needed for your production. While other scenes not all are simply non scripted, and just straight up WAM. Then clearly they will be shorter.
Just for the record, you guys are doing great. I love the scenes and substance textures, and models you use. Keep up the great work
Just for the record, you guys are doing great. I love the scenes and substance textures, and models you use. Keep up the great work
Thank you! I can see what you mean about a script vs straight up WAM.
For our store the examples for those would be like....
You Can't Do That On Set (script) vs Lilly's/Bree's Pie Barrage (straight up WAM)
Slime...more slime!!!!!
Beantwn said: A good questionbut tough to answer.
For me cost does play some role as well. If I'm gonna drop $20 (or close to that or even more on rare occasions) on a vid I would expect it to be at least 10 minutes (give or take) long. However sometimes they can almost be too long. I mean $9.99 for 40 minute video seems like a great deal but am I really gonna "watch" for 40 minutes. For me I would say that 8-20 minutes is that sweet spot, depending on price. Of course there's always some vids that are only 5 minutes and are must haves due to a particular model or costume or substance used. Content trumps length but it's nice to feel like you're getting your money's worth too.
Does any of that make any sense?
For me cost does play some role as well. If I'm gonna drop $20 (or close to that or even more on rare occasions) on a vid I would expect it to be at least 10 minutes (give or take) long. However sometimes they can almost be too long. I mean $9.99 for 40 minute video seems like a great deal but am I really gonna "watch" for 40 minutes. For me I would say that 8-20 minutes is that sweet spot, depending on price. Of course there's always some vids that are only 5 minutes and are must haves due to a particular model or costume or substance used. Content trumps length but it's nice to feel like you're getting your money's worth too.
Does any of that make any sense?
I'm not just saying it to be nice when I say that I honestly completely understand.
Slime...more slime!!!!!
VegasWam said: Usually I finish fast enough for the scene length not to matter very much
That's fair, lol.
Slime...more slime!!!!!
SlapstickStuff said: My scenes just keep getting longer and longer, and I'm not sure why that is. (Well, I know why that is. I write longer scripts with more gags and more mess and linger more on the aftermath.)
I think it really depends on your objective. In my younger days, it was easy to shoot 5 scenes in a few hours, and they were all short with minimal setup. But as the setups got more complicated, the scenes got longer. Nowadays, I actually prefer if a local model just comes in to shoot one or two scenes. She's fresher, I'm not scrambling, and I also tend to pack a LOT more into those 1-2 scenes.
Mya comes in to shoot one scene at a time and I basically pull out all the stops, and typically we wind up with about 75-90 minutes worth of raw footage for ONE SCENE. Editing that down to just 20 minutes (plus outtakes) actually takes some effort!
I think it really depends on your objective. In my younger days, it was easy to shoot 5 scenes in a few hours, and they were all short with minimal setup. But as the setups got more complicated, the scenes got longer. Nowadays, I actually prefer if a local model just comes in to shoot one or two scenes. She's fresher, I'm not scrambling, and I also tend to pack a LOT more into those 1-2 scenes.
Mya comes in to shoot one scene at a time and I basically pull out all the stops, and typically we wind up with about 75-90 minutes worth of raw footage for ONE SCENE. Editing that down to just 20 minutes (plus outtakes) actually takes some effort!
Good god, to go from 90 to 20 minutes, choices had to be made in what to cut.
Slime...more slime!!!!!
SlapstickStuff said: My scenes just keep getting longer and longer, and I'm not sure why that is. (Well, I know why that is. I write longer scripts with more gags and more mess and linger more on the aftermath.)
I think it really depends on your objective. In my younger days, it was easy to shoot 5 scenes in a few hours, and they were all short with minimal setup. But as the setups got more complicated, the scenes got longer. Nowadays, I actually prefer if a local model just comes in to shoot one or two scenes. She's fresher, I'm not scrambling, and I also tend to pack a LOT more into those 1-2 scenes.
Mya comes in to shoot one scene at a time and I basically pull out all the stops, and typically we wind up with about 75-90 minutes worth of raw footage for ONE SCENE. Editing that down to just 20 minutes (plus outtakes) actually takes some effort!
I think it really depends on your objective. In my younger days, it was easy to shoot 5 scenes in a few hours, and they were all short with minimal setup. But as the setups got more complicated, the scenes got longer. Nowadays, I actually prefer if a local model just comes in to shoot one or two scenes. She's fresher, I'm not scrambling, and I also tend to pack a LOT more into those 1-2 scenes.
Mya comes in to shoot one scene at a time and I basically pull out all the stops, and typically we wind up with about 75-90 minutes worth of raw footage for ONE SCENE. Editing that down to just 20 minutes (plus outtakes) actually takes some effort!
I know my library isn't as extensive as yours but in just the short time we have been making videos, I have noticed mine have also gotten longer. I know we try to elaborate more on a script and add lib where do. Not to blame my wife here but she has really grown into making up her own storylines and has almost the rest of our year planned out for weekly released scenes - all revolving around a fun holiday or current event.
But yes I think we are always pushing ourselves to do better and bigger than the time before. I know TMTFTS gets more messy every scene! We love it!
Something that I find a lot of producers aren't super-transparent with is what actually composes the length of a clip. For example, a clip might be advertised as being 25 minutes long, but when I buy the clip, I find that maybe 5 minutes of the clip is the actual scene, 5 minutes is the same scene from an alternate angle, 7 minutes are super-slow frame-by-frame instant replays of the action, 4 minutes is of out-takes, and 4 minutes is of a post-scene shower.
Some producers will tell you that the clip includes outtakes, wash-off, replays, etc., but rarely do they tell you how long each bit is, so it is occasionally frustrating to buy a 25 minute clip that contains a majority 15-20 minutes of extras.
Some producers will tell you that the clip includes outtakes, wash-off, replays, etc., but rarely do they tell you how long each bit is, so it is occasionally frustrating to buy a 25 minute clip that contains a majority 15-20 minutes of extras.
MtnWAM said: Something that I find a lot of producers aren't super-transparent with is what actually composes the length of a clip. For example, a clip might be advertised as being 25 minutes long, but when I buy the clip, I find that maybe 5 minutes of the clip is the actual scene, 5 minutes is the same scene from an alternate angle, 7 minutes are super-slow frame-by-frame instant replays of the action, 4 minutes is of out-takes, and 4 minutes is of a post-scene shower.
Some producers will tell you that the clip includes outtakes, wash-off, replays, etc., but rarely do they tell you how long each bit is, so it is occasionally frustrating to buy a 25 minute clip that contains a majority 15-20 minutes of extras.
Some producers will tell you that the clip includes outtakes, wash-off, replays, etc., but rarely do they tell you how long each bit is, so it is occasionally frustrating to buy a 25 minute clip that contains a majority 15-20 minutes of extras.
You're right, the described behavior is pretty annoying.
Length of Scene, Pricing of Scene, and Actual Value of Scene are unrelated. I voted somewhat in the poll, as there's more to it that JUST scene length.
Theoretically you could shoot a model sitting for 20min and throw one pie and that's a scene. (A scene I probably would only buy once unless it was of exceptional quality, and I connected to it in some way. But most likely I'd never buy at all.
Much like Theatrical productions, Content is King and if you don't like the content, 5min of it vs 40min of it really won't matter in the end.
Same can be said for Cost. If your not entirely sold by the Marketing or Previews Pics, charging $5 for it vs $20 doesn't make it more attractive, just less expensive.
There's also something extra to the idea of building a Brand and having a Track-Record.
Much like the Marvel Cinematic Universe, where they've created a Content Machine that people/customers are willing to trust due to factors like Quality, Performance, and Previous Enjoyment, Producers like Messygirl (or yourself) are building the Brand not only with with Popular repeated Scenarios (like Human Garbage Disposal or Fluff Statues) but repeat experienced Models who are not only well-liked yet give great performances as well as work well with production.
Part of the problem with a lot of Scenes that looked good initially is that the Model just never connects with the concept or the experience in the time allotted. It's just a job, they're not having fun, and it shows.
Part of the reason The Man and the Wife Videos are so enticing (especially since you produce in the PG-Realm) is that The Wife is IN on the joke. She gets it. (and her friends do too) and it seems like they're down to play.
There's a Slapstick element, an element of Comeuppance , a Humiliation element, punishment element. a playful/silly element, a Dom/Sub element, a power-reversal element, etc.
Obviously they all know what they're in for by now, but they continue to apply painstaking detail in creating their various looks, outfits, etc. to end up being slimed/pied in unique amusing scenarios.
So if you put the same quality of work and attention to detail into a shorter scene, It's value would more than likely be the same as a longer one.
Of course, like others have said, longer scenes tend to pad the runtime with Bloopers, BTS, Showers anyways. so again, length doesn't really mean what you might initially assume so it's a bad metric overall. IMHO
Theoretically you could shoot a model sitting for 20min and throw one pie and that's a scene. (A scene I probably would only buy once unless it was of exceptional quality, and I connected to it in some way. But most likely I'd never buy at all.
Much like Theatrical productions, Content is King and if you don't like the content, 5min of it vs 40min of it really won't matter in the end.
Same can be said for Cost. If your not entirely sold by the Marketing or Previews Pics, charging $5 for it vs $20 doesn't make it more attractive, just less expensive.
There's also something extra to the idea of building a Brand and having a Track-Record.
Much like the Marvel Cinematic Universe, where they've created a Content Machine that people/customers are willing to trust due to factors like Quality, Performance, and Previous Enjoyment, Producers like Messygirl (or yourself) are building the Brand not only with with Popular repeated Scenarios (like Human Garbage Disposal or Fluff Statues) but repeat experienced Models who are not only well-liked yet give great performances as well as work well with production.
Part of the problem with a lot of Scenes that looked good initially is that the Model just never connects with the concept or the experience in the time allotted. It's just a job, they're not having fun, and it shows.
Part of the reason The Man and the Wife Videos are so enticing (especially since you produce in the PG-Realm) is that The Wife is IN on the joke. She gets it. (and her friends do too) and it seems like they're down to play.
There's a Slapstick element, an element of Comeuppance , a Humiliation element, punishment element. a playful/silly element, a Dom/Sub element, a power-reversal element, etc.
Obviously they all know what they're in for by now, but they continue to apply painstaking detail in creating their various looks, outfits, etc. to end up being slimed/pied in unique amusing scenarios.
So if you put the same quality of work and attention to detail into a shorter scene, It's value would more than likely be the same as a longer one.
Of course, like others have said, longer scenes tend to pad the runtime with Bloopers, BTS, Showers anyways. so again, length doesn't really mean what you might initially assume so it's a bad metric overall. IMHO
Longer.
But,
I'm looking for scripted.
I want enough before, and I want enough after.
I'd be happy with any additional content that I can't create myself (another good angle - yes, slow-mo - no) - although I wish for a leaner file size (without compromising on quality - give me the RAW).
On the extreme rare occasion, I'd pay more for less, but usual 10 min of the middle is expected from me.
But,
I'm looking for scripted.
I want enough before, and I want enough after.
I'd be happy with any additional content that I can't create myself (another good angle - yes, slow-mo - no) - although I wish for a leaner file size (without compromising on quality - give me the RAW).
On the extreme rare occasion, I'd pay more for less, but usual 10 min of the middle is expected from me.
its so hard to determine what to keep and what not to keep. I swear it!
sometimes i feel like I should upload one that is the "what I think everyone will enjoy" and then the "literally all that I have on film"
bc when im doing a custom or something like that? I can get carried away! Sometimes I just lose track and there i am....laying there fucking myself silly for like 12 minutes. lol.
when to be real? most people arent gonna care about watching me do that for 12 minutes unless more or diffferent mess is poured on me....so i usually will cut it into pieces. I have some really long ones I have uploaded. longer than the customer asked for or if i did my own, longer than i intended bc it was a lot of mess and dialogue and stuff like that, i felt the need to keep bc I thought it was all gold! and it didnt seem to matter as a selling point at all.
I had soundguy tell me once "i dont know why you have these super long videos, 10 mins of what you think are the best parts and thats all you need to make" as far as releasing....he is right for the majority of people. but SOME PEOPLE want that longer video. they want to go back and see it again and again and find different things every time. things maybe they missed or whatever.
its a tough one though. good question. i still havent figured out a balance for this at all.
sometimes i feel like I should upload one that is the "what I think everyone will enjoy" and then the "literally all that I have on film"
bc when im doing a custom or something like that? I can get carried away! Sometimes I just lose track and there i am....laying there fucking myself silly for like 12 minutes. lol.
when to be real? most people arent gonna care about watching me do that for 12 minutes unless more or diffferent mess is poured on me....so i usually will cut it into pieces. I have some really long ones I have uploaded. longer than the customer asked for or if i did my own, longer than i intended bc it was a lot of mess and dialogue and stuff like that, i felt the need to keep bc I thought it was all gold! and it didnt seem to matter as a selling point at all.
I had soundguy tell me once "i dont know why you have these super long videos, 10 mins of what you think are the best parts and thats all you need to make" as far as releasing....he is right for the majority of people. but SOME PEOPLE want that longer video. they want to go back and see it again and again and find different things every time. things maybe they missed or whatever.
its a tough one though. good question. i still havent figured out a balance for this at all.
More BTS, clips, messes, wetlook+fetish on my OF!
Well when purchasing a video it definitely is a preference thing of how much money you want to spend a minute of video but for me when I order a custom I prefer to say that I pay for more than I need and then see whatever happens as Jayce points out some models get into their own world and that is totally fine with me but I definitely prefer to keep as much in a video for a custom one.
Personally I could talk a lot about how one take solo made wam videos are awesome but I would say that length only matters for the price of a video
Personally I could talk a lot about how one take solo made wam videos are awesome but I would say that length only matters for the price of a video
Wanting to be stuck in the middle of a mud pit
I would say that it doesn't matter too much to me. I love those moments where you are watching a scene and you're like "oh man, she can't get much messier!" And then there's like another 10 mins to go and you know whoever it is really is in for it!
At the same time, scenes that are short, sharp and pretty relentless with the mess are also awesome.
I focus more on how attractive I find the model, substances and coverage.
At the same time, scenes that are short, sharp and pretty relentless with the mess are also awesome.
I focus more on how attractive I find the model, substances and coverage.
I've been told that length alone may not matter, and that you also have to consider girth! 
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wamfan said: I've been told that length alone may not matter, and that you also have to consider girth!
brilliant!!! hahah!!
i dont charge my scenes by the minute. i feel like that is an old school way of doing things nor have i ever....and ive been selling them for 10 years.
i feel like the quality of the vid, what people are actually willing to PAY, REALISTICALLY....those are all the things i consider.
i do charge more for a video with more girls. I charge more considering the mess. how x rated it is....but i dont do it by the minute. I have an x rated one that is almost 6 mins long. its 19.99 and that is bc im getting fucked in the mud while ariel masturbates. i mean....thats a pretty fucking good deal. i took into account the fact it was shorter than most my vids...what can i say?? the dude couldnt handle it very long
BUT. it is a great scene. well shot. amazing mess. really bad ass. i feel like its worth more but i know ppl see the minutes and think "i am not gonna pay 25-30 dollars for 6 mins" even though its worth it. gotta think like a consumer and with me being one? i never buy something bc of run time. i buy when i see the model and the mess. period. thats all
aesthetically pleasing More BTS, clips, messes, wetlook+fetish on my OF!
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MtnWAM said: Something that I find a lot of producers aren't super-transparent with is what actually composes the length of a clip. For example, a clip might be advertised as being 25 minutes long, but when I buy the clip, I find that maybe 5 minutes of the clip is the actual scene, 5 minutes is the same scene from an alternate angle, 7 minutes are super-slow frame-by-frame instant replays of the action, 4 minutes is of out-takes, and 4 minutes is of a post-scene shower.
Some producers will tell you that the clip includes outtakes, wash-off, replays, etc., but rarely do they tell you how long each bit is, so it is occasionally frustrating to buy a 25 minute clip that contains a majority 15-20 minutes of extras.
Some producers will tell you that the clip includes outtakes, wash-off, replays, etc., but rarely do they tell you how long each bit is, so it is occasionally frustrating to buy a 25 minute clip that contains a majority 15-20 minutes of extras.
I think part of the problem might be that MM's template when you're setting up a scene tells you not to mention run time in the description, but I think that refers to overall run time - certainly in our case, if a single video contains more than one section of a scene, then I'll give the exact timings of each part. Usually if we include a hose-down it will be a separate and clealy labelled file, but if it is in the main video then we'll always state something like "The first 17 minutes of the video are the main messy scene, followed by 8 minutes of hose-down during which the girls strip to the swimsuits they are wearing as underwear."
Personally I don't understand why producers wouldn't put as much detail as possible into a scene description, but I've seen some apallingly bad ones that don't tell you any of the important details. In our case, I'd never want someone to buy something and then be disappointed by it, so I try and ensure all the important details of what the models are wearing, what they get messed up with, how it's applied, etc, are described for every scene. I also always describe each model's outfit with something like "Jane wears a pink track-suit and red wellies, Jenny wears a green ballgown and green suede high-heeled thigh-boots", so that someone who hasn't previously seen any of my scenes can tell which model is which.
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Jayce said:
brilliant!!! hahah!!
i dont charge my scenes by the minute. i feel like that is an old school way of doing things nor have i ever....and ive been selling them for 10 years.
i feel like the quality of the vid, what people are actually willing to PAY, REALISTICALLY....those are all the things i consider.
i do charge more for a video with more girls. I charge more considering the mess. how x rated it is....but i dont do it by the minute. I have an x rated one that is almost 6 mins long. its 19.99 and that is bc im getting fucked in the mud while ariel masturbates. i mean....thats a pretty fucking good deal. i took into account the fact it was shorter than most my vids...what can i say?? the dude couldnt handle it very long BUT. it is a great scene. well shot. amazing mess. really bad ass. i feel like its worth more but i know ppl see the minutes and think "i am not gonna pay 25-30 dollars for 6 mins" even though its worth it.
gotta think like a consumer and with me being one? i never buy something bc of run time. i buy when i see the model and the mess. period. thats all aesthetically pleasing
wamfan said: I've been told that length alone may not matter, and that you also have to consider girth!
brilliant!!! hahah!!
i dont charge my scenes by the minute. i feel like that is an old school way of doing things nor have i ever....and ive been selling them for 10 years.
i feel like the quality of the vid, what people are actually willing to PAY, REALISTICALLY....those are all the things i consider.
i do charge more for a video with more girls. I charge more considering the mess. how x rated it is....but i dont do it by the minute. I have an x rated one that is almost 6 mins long. its 19.99 and that is bc im getting fucked in the mud while ariel masturbates. i mean....thats a pretty fucking good deal. i took into account the fact it was shorter than most my vids...what can i say?? the dude couldnt handle it very long
BUT. it is a great scene. well shot. amazing mess. really bad ass. i feel like its worth more but i know ppl see the minutes and think "i am not gonna pay 25-30 dollars for 6 mins" even though its worth it. gotta think like a consumer and with me being one? i never buy something bc of run time. i buy when i see the model and the mess. period. thats all
aesthetically pleasing I agree in the sense that there are many factors that come into play when pricing a video. More than one might think!
Slime...more slime!!!!!
Zan said: Length of Scene, Pricing of Scene, and Actual Value of Scene are unrelated. I voted somewhat in the poll, as there's more to it that JUST scene length.
Theoretically you could shoot a model sitting for 20min and throw one pie and that's a scene. (A scene I probably would only buy once unless it was of exceptional quality, and I connected to it in some way. But most likely I'd never buy at all.
Much like Theatrical productions, Content is King and if you don't like the content, 5min of it vs 40min of it really won't matter in the end.
Same can be said for Cost. If your not entirely sold by the Marketing or Previews Pics, charging $5 for it vs $20 doesn't make it more attractive, just less expensive.
There's also something extra to the idea of building a Brand and having a Track-Record.
Much like the Marvel Cinematic Universe, where they've created a Content Machine that people/customers are willing to trust due to factors like Quality, Performance, and Previous Enjoyment, Producers like Messygirl (or yourself) are building the Brand not only with with Popular repeated Scenarios (like Human Garbage Disposal or Fluff Statues) but repeat experienced Models who are not only well-liked yet give great performances as well as work well with production.
Part of the problem with a lot of Scenes that looked good initially is that the Model just never connects with the concept or the experience in the time allotted. It's just a job, they're not having fun, and it shows.
Part of the reason The Man and the Wife Videos are so enticing (especially since you produce in the PG-Realm) is that The Wife is IN on the joke. She gets it. (and her friends do too) and it seems like they're down to play.
There's a Slapstick element, an element of Comeuppance , a Humiliation element, punishment element. a playful/silly element, a Dom/Sub element, a power-reversal element, etc.
Obviously they all know what they're in for by now, but they continue to apply painstaking detail in creating their various looks, outfits, etc. to end up being slimed/pied in unique amusing scenarios.
So if you put the same quality of work and attention to detail into a shorter scene, It's value would more than likely be the same as a longer one.
Of course, like others have said, longer scenes tend to pad the runtime with Bloopers, BTS, Showers anyways. so again, length doesn't really mean what you might initially assume so it's a bad metric overall. IMHO
Theoretically you could shoot a model sitting for 20min and throw one pie and that's a scene. (A scene I probably would only buy once unless it was of exceptional quality, and I connected to it in some way. But most likely I'd never buy at all.
Much like Theatrical productions, Content is King and if you don't like the content, 5min of it vs 40min of it really won't matter in the end.
Same can be said for Cost. If your not entirely sold by the Marketing or Previews Pics, charging $5 for it vs $20 doesn't make it more attractive, just less expensive.
There's also something extra to the idea of building a Brand and having a Track-Record.
Much like the Marvel Cinematic Universe, where they've created a Content Machine that people/customers are willing to trust due to factors like Quality, Performance, and Previous Enjoyment, Producers like Messygirl (or yourself) are building the Brand not only with with Popular repeated Scenarios (like Human Garbage Disposal or Fluff Statues) but repeat experienced Models who are not only well-liked yet give great performances as well as work well with production.
Part of the problem with a lot of Scenes that looked good initially is that the Model just never connects with the concept or the experience in the time allotted. It's just a job, they're not having fun, and it shows.
Part of the reason The Man and the Wife Videos are so enticing (especially since you produce in the PG-Realm) is that The Wife is IN on the joke. She gets it. (and her friends do too) and it seems like they're down to play.
There's a Slapstick element, an element of Comeuppance , a Humiliation element, punishment element. a playful/silly element, a Dom/Sub element, a power-reversal element, etc.
Obviously they all know what they're in for by now, but they continue to apply painstaking detail in creating their various looks, outfits, etc. to end up being slimed/pied in unique amusing scenarios.
So if you put the same quality of work and attention to detail into a shorter scene, It's value would more than likely be the same as a longer one.
Of course, like others have said, longer scenes tend to pad the runtime with Bloopers, BTS, Showers anyways. so again, length doesn't really mean what you might initially assume so it's a bad metric overall. IMHO
VERY well said. I wish I had a longer response, lol. A number of excellent points were made here. And thank you for the compliments! Extremely appreciated that you take the time to notice all the different fun elements we try and incorporate.
Slime...more slime!!!!!
Jayce said: its so hard to determine what to keep and what not to keep. I swear it!
sometimes i feel like I should upload one that is the "what I think everyone will enjoy" and then the "literally all that I have on film"
bc when im doing a custom or something like that? I can get carried away! Sometimes I just lose track and there i am....laying there fucking myself silly for like 12 minutes. lol.
when to be real? most people arent gonna care about watching me do that for 12 minutes unless more or diffferent mess is poured on me....so i usually will cut it into pieces. I have some really long ones I have uploaded. longer than the customer asked for or if i did my own, longer than i intended bc it was a lot of mess and dialogue and stuff like that, i felt the need to keep bc I thought it was all gold! and it didnt seem to matter as a selling point at all.
I had soundguy tell me once "i dont know why you have these super long videos, 10 mins of what you think are the best parts and thats all you need to make" as far as releasing....he is right for the majority of people. but SOME PEOPLE want that longer video. they want to go back and see it again and again and find different things every time. things maybe they missed or whatever.
its a tough one though. good question. i still havent figured out a balance for this at all.
sometimes i feel like I should upload one that is the "what I think everyone will enjoy" and then the "literally all that I have on film"
bc when im doing a custom or something like that? I can get carried away! Sometimes I just lose track and there i am....laying there fucking myself silly for like 12 minutes. lol.
when to be real? most people arent gonna care about watching me do that for 12 minutes unless more or diffferent mess is poured on me....so i usually will cut it into pieces. I have some really long ones I have uploaded. longer than the customer asked for or if i did my own, longer than i intended bc it was a lot of mess and dialogue and stuff like that, i felt the need to keep bc I thought it was all gold! and it didnt seem to matter as a selling point at all.
I had soundguy tell me once "i dont know why you have these super long videos, 10 mins of what you think are the best parts and thats all you need to make" as far as releasing....he is right for the majority of people. but SOME PEOPLE want that longer video. they want to go back and see it again and again and find different things every time. things maybe they missed or whatever.
its a tough one though. good question. i still havent figured out a balance for this at all.
If you haven't figured out the balance, than I guess you'll just have to keep getting messy over and over again until you figure it out.
Slime...more slime!!!!!
Torta92 said:
I focus more on how attractive I find the model, substances and coverage.
I focus more on how attractive I find the model, substances and coverage.
That's VERY fair.
Slime...more slime!!!!!
I tend to think of scenes length as how much time do you need to convey a story or an ideal?
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I accepted long ago that there is probably absolutely zero market here for the sort of format I'd most like to see which to a certain extent is a bit liberating as when I have the space available I fully intend to produce them (already have a bunch of non-messy and messy games drawn up along with a custom gunge tank design for some of the messy games) and I won't have to bother about appealing to a wider audience and just do my thing which is probably for the best as these longer scenes won't be economical.
The closest example format I can think of is GYOB in which you have 3 or 4 games leading up to a final messy game but without the crappy GYOB outfits.
The scenes would be much longer and likely to even have more than half of their runtime without any actual mess. The length though is secondary, what I'd be looking to do is slowly build tension, suspense and anticipation. I'd want the mystery of who's going to get the mess at the end and just how messy it is going to get to build as the scores fluctuate between rounds. Not by any game fixing or clumsy "this round's points is worth more than all the other rounds combined" mechanics but by clever game design. Yes like other clips people are probably going to get their rocks off on 5-10 minutes of the messy parts but I'd like a little tease and foreplay before getting there. And besides the tension building isn't just for the benefit of the viewer, but also for my lovely contestants as well. If by the final round I want them right on the edge of their gunge tank seats so that when one is finally surprised by the gunge falling the reactions are more likely to be priceless.
Essentially the litmus test I would have for the scene is that I would want the games and tension building dramatic devices to be entertaining so that even someone without a WAM fetish would be entertained by watching. Not because I'd be looking to sell to them but that for a WAM fetishist the tension filled build-up would be the sponge of the cake with the messy finish being the icing on it.
But yeah in absence of something like that I settle for other content and I make my decision on that sort of content based on the content itself Which is sort of the case with the longer stuff I want to produce as the length itself is a by-product of the tension building.
The closest example format I can think of is GYOB in which you have 3 or 4 games leading up to a final messy game but without the crappy GYOB outfits.
The scenes would be much longer and likely to even have more than half of their runtime without any actual mess. The length though is secondary, what I'd be looking to do is slowly build tension, suspense and anticipation. I'd want the mystery of who's going to get the mess at the end and just how messy it is going to get to build as the scores fluctuate between rounds. Not by any game fixing or clumsy "this round's points is worth more than all the other rounds combined" mechanics but by clever game design. Yes like other clips people are probably going to get their rocks off on 5-10 minutes of the messy parts but I'd like a little tease and foreplay before getting there. And besides the tension building isn't just for the benefit of the viewer, but also for my lovely contestants as well. If by the final round I want them right on the edge of their gunge tank seats so that when one is finally surprised by the gunge falling the reactions are more likely to be priceless.
Essentially the litmus test I would have for the scene is that I would want the games and tension building dramatic devices to be entertaining so that even someone without a WAM fetish would be entertained by watching. Not because I'd be looking to sell to them but that for a WAM fetishist the tension filled build-up would be the sponge of the cake with the messy finish being the icing on it.
But yeah in absence of something like that I settle for other content and I make my decision on that sort of content based on the content itself Which is sort of the case with the longer stuff I want to produce as the length itself is a by-product of the tension building.
To echo some of the points here, for me, it is about the length, but that's not the be all and end all. It is also about the guy (in my case, I'm into guys), their personality, the story and the wet or messy content. The price per minute is also a consideration here - as is if I've spoken to the person before and we have some form of communication/we've been talking.
When I say 'the story', I've seen guys playing messy games and, to me, that tells a story that leads to the gunging and (in some cases) removal of clothing - as opposed to a guy sitting there and getting slimed and that's it.
When I say 'the story', I've seen guys playing messy games and, to me, that tells a story that leads to the gunging and (in some cases) removal of clothing - as opposed to a guy sitting there and getting slimed and that's it.
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