tengallon said: Yes, it has.
4. The increasing percentage of disgusting content. Fake shit (oh sorry "alternative farm clay"), fake vomit, a fake baby (?!), rotten food, pet food, fish, offal, force feeding, models gagging or feeling ill, 'extreme' everything. It did not used to be like this here. Even savory was rare. Extreme BDSM content like this is bodysnatching the fetish from the sweet food/paint/mud/slime dominance of before. You can't show new partners this website. It's not fun and sexy, it's harsh and frightening. It's turning into real dark web stuff. If you are scrolling through it's like Russian roulette about whether you'll see something so disgusting you will want to immediately close the tab. We are continually told that we can't have a "gross/savory" checkbox/filter because it is too technically difficult (even though we can have filters for gender and AI?), but the main reason is that it would further expose just how little 'pleasant' WAM is on here now.

MuddyOtter said:
Regarding the "extreme" end of content, I feel differently about it depending on the motivation and the intended audience. I pretty much can't get into watching stuff that I wouldn't willingly be there doing, so self-producing models who come across as genuinely into it, or stuff shared as fun challenges/forfeits among peers feels fine to me. But some of the stuff that's pitched as degrading with hired women models for the straight male gaze, that's where I get the ick a little.

Slapstick-Cowboy said: I've been on and off this site for the past 12 years, yes it still has its use both as a kink community and social network site but it is slowly becoming a bit more tackie with more and more video's and posts of a sexual nature, I think we need to be more careful as anyone of a younger age who joins this site can easily view such material.

Content with sexual imagery needs to be pay to view only, or in a XXX section. There was talk on another forum about why we don't have a UK group page and a US page and a Europe page rather than it all being in one but thats maybe a debate for another time.

furfg said: The internet has ruined anything authentic

furfg said: AI is awesome. I will never get the AI hate. It is legit the greatest technology I've seen come about in my life time.

Pasta said: No disrespect to anyone, but I am tired of seeing the same small pool of UK models filming for almost everyone. With Honour and Satine having retired, that pool is even smaller now.

Platypus539 said: UMD has had its day: Clearly not. There are still plenty of people here contributing in various ways. Has it changed in the past however long? Of course it has. Trends, habits, how people create and consume WAM content will obviously change over time, so the site adapts as needed. If it didn't, it would already be long gone. Even those doing the carping have managed to jump on this thread pretty quickly despite how inactive some have claimed to be.

Models only want to sell their work: Just because you have to pay to view their content, doesn't mean that's their only motivation. If it was a quick cash grab, there are far less complicated and time consuming ways to do that. Pointing your bits at a camera and stroking them costs nothing if you already have a camera. Getting messy especially costs money upfront, with mess and trashed clothing being the obvious costs, but there are plenty of others. Add in the harassment that's already been mentioned and inherent risk of putting fetish content up when people are increasingly living out their lives online, then of course a lot of that is going to be put behind a paywall. It doesn't seem unreasonable that models or producers minimally want you to buy them a nice coffee and maybe a slice of cake for providing you with your spank bank material. If you're good at something, why do it for free? We all have bills to pay and mouths to feed, if only our own. In any case, there are still quite a lot of people on here who do share their content for free.

Quality of content has gone downhill: Whenever this comes up, it's always framed as producers being the driving force behind this. The community votes with their wallet. If the quality of content is too poor, people don't buy it, the store becomes unviable, the content disappears. If someone spends loads on producing high quality content, it's either priced too high for most to buy it, or needs to sell a huge number of copies at a lower price, the store becomes unviable and the producer might be significantly out of pocket, the content disappears. So obviously the content that sticks around is selling well enough versus what it costs to produce. The community is getting what they are willing or able to pay for. Looking around, that's still a pretty broad range. Or, just possibly, some models are doing it for fun regardless of the return on investment, but that would contradict the point above, wouldn't it? There is still plenty of content where clearly effort has been put in.

Site being monetised by MM: The site needs to adapt to survive. It probably started off as a message board, a nice lightweight site that could probably be run off of a tiny server. A small bedroom project that didn't cost much time or money to set up and run. More people find the site, user base increases, traffic increases, people decide they want to post pictures, then video, then want more features and ways to interact with each other. Both the time and the effort required increases, until either the site is shut down as it becomes too costly to run, or it is somehow monetised. Instead of going down a route of embedding general advertising everywhere (you know, the advertisements for butt plugs the shape and size of a bowling ball on FL, or the local news sites which are now completely unreadable) by hosting stores he's found a way to monetise the site in a way that's relevant, gives back to the community and helps it thrive. It could be argued that it makes it a victim of its own success if you liked how it used to be, but things change. Everyone seems quick to point out the passive income side, without pointing out the passive expense of hosting all of the uploaded content - the free to view pictures and videos, not just the paid scenes.

Too much disgusting content (same applies for sexual): Similar to the point about quality, the community guides the direction as much as producers do. A good proportion of scenes started life as a custom, that at least one person has specifically asked for. If content sells well, more similar content will get made (again, unless you allow yourself to believe some models are making content for their own fun). Different producers have their own boundaries, if you don't like the majority of the work from a producer, mute them. You've got the tools, use them. The problem with a "disgusting" flag isn't a technical one, it's incredibly subjective. No one definition is going to suit everyone. There's a fair amount of stuff on the site that doesn't float my boat, but I move on to the good amount of content that does. If you want to introduce a partner to your WAM fetish, send them specific links to the stuff you do like instead of giving them the top level URL of the site and letting them have at it. You wouldn't tell a partner you enjoy watching porn, then just give them a top level link to PH and let them assume you are into every video on there would you?

Too much AI content: Good job it's really easy to filter out if you don't like it. If it has slipped through the net, report that it needs flagging as synthetic, then it will soon be removed from your view. Then carry on to the stuff you do like. Personally, it's not for me it didn't actually happen, it isn't the same. The visuals and sound may get really good, but I doubt the subtleties like realistic unpredictable reactions of models and chaos of the way different substances and materials flow over and through each other will ever replace the real thing convincingly. That's before you consider all the points about stifling creativity, reducing the number and quality of creative jobs, having scant regard for training from copyrighted material, and using ludicrous amounts of energy. But you only need to worry about it taking over completely if you believe there aren't models and producers who are also in it for the fun of it (yet again).

Certain generations lack social skills: This isn't a generational thing, there are a subset of people of all ages who lack social skills. Social media has certainly contributed to an increase in poor social skills, but across all generations. I know just as many from the older generations who are glued to their phones or can't hold a conversation as those from the younger generations. Not all socialising has to happen online. I regularly find myself in an establishment called "a pub" having interesting and often inspiring conversations with people of all ages and genders, be that for WAM (splunches), kink in general (munches), vanilla special interest groups or friends. I can recommend it.

Platypus539 said: UMD has had its day: Clearly not. There are still plenty of people here contributing in various ways. Has it changed in the past however long? Of course it has. Trends, habits, how people create and consume WAM content will obviously change over time, so the site adapts as needed. If it didn't, it would already be long gone. Even those doing the carping have managed to jump on this thread pretty quickly despite how inactive some have claimed to be.

Models only want to sell their work: Just because you have to pay to view their content, doesn't mean that's their only motivation. If it was a quick cash grab, there are far less complicated and time consuming ways to do that. Pointing your bits at a camera and stroking them costs nothing if you already have a camera. Getting messy especially costs money upfront, with mess and trashed clothing being the obvious costs, but there are plenty of others. Add in the harassment that's already been mentioned and inherent risk of putting fetish content up when people are increasingly living out their lives online, then of course a lot of that is going to be put behind a paywall. It doesn't seem unreasonable that models or producers minimally want you to buy them a nice coffee and maybe a slice of cake for providing you with your spank bank material. If you're good at something, why do it for free? We all have bills to pay and mouths to feed, if only our own. In any case, there are still quite a lot of people on here who do share their content for free.

Quality of content has gone downhill: Whenever this comes up, it's always framed as producers being the driving force behind this. The community votes with their wallet. If the quality of content is too poor, people don't buy it, the store becomes unviable, the content disappears. If someone spends loads on producing high quality content, it's either priced too high for most to buy it, or needs to sell a huge number of copies at a lower price, the store becomes unviable and the producer might be significantly out of pocket, the content disappears. So obviously the content that sticks around is selling well enough versus what it costs to produce. The community is getting what they are willing or able to pay for. Looking around, that's still a pretty broad range. Or, just possibly, some models are doing it for fun regardless of the return on investment, but that would contradict the point above, wouldn't it? There is still plenty of content where clearly effort has been put in.

Site being monetised by MM: The site needs to adapt to survive. It probably started off as a message board, a nice lightweight site that could probably be run off of a tiny server. A small bedroom project that didn't cost much time or money to set up and run. More people find the site, user base increases, traffic increases, people decide they want to post pictures, then video, then want more features and ways to interact with each other. Both the time and the effort required increases, until either the site is shut down as it becomes too costly to run, or it is somehow monetised. Instead of going down a route of embedding general advertising everywhere (you know, the advertisements for butt plugs the shape and size of a bowling ball on FL, or the local news sites which are now completely unreadable) by hosting stores he's found a way to monetise the site in a way that's relevant, gives back to the community and helps it thrive. It could be argued that it makes it a victim of its own success if you liked how it used to be, but things change. Everyone seems quick to point out the passive income side, without pointing out the passive expense of hosting all of the uploaded content - the free to view pictures and videos, not just the paid scenes.

Too much disgusting content (same applies for sexual): Similar to the point about quality, the community guides the direction as much as producers do. A good proportion of scenes started life as a custom, that at least one person has specifically asked for. If content sells well, more similar content will get made (again, unless you allow yourself to believe some models are making content for their own fun). Different producers have their own boundaries, if you don't like the majority of the work from a producer, mute them. You've got the tools, use them. The problem with a "disgusting" flag isn't a technical one, it's incredibly subjective. No one definition is going to suit everyone. There's a fair amount of stuff on the site that doesn't float my boat, but I move on to the good amount of content that does. If you want to introduce a partner to your WAM fetish, send them specific links to the stuff you do like instead of giving them the top level URL of the site and letting them have at it. You wouldn't tell a partner you enjoy watching porn, then just give them a top level link to PH and let them assume you are into every video on there would you?

Too much AI content: Good job it's really easy to filter out if you don't like it. If it has slipped through the net, report that it needs flagging as synthetic, then it will soon be removed from your view. Then carry on to the stuff you do like. Personally, it's not for me it didn't actually happen, it isn't the same. The visuals and sound may get really good, but I doubt the subtleties like realistic unpredictable reactions of models and chaos of the way different substances and materials flow over and through each other will ever replace the real thing convincingly. That's before you consider all the points about stifling creativity, reducing the number and quality of creative jobs, having scant regard for training from copyrighted material, and using ludicrous amounts of energy. But you only need to worry about it taking over completely if you believe there aren't models and producers who are also in it for the fun of it (yet again).

Certain generations lack social skills: This isn't a generational thing, there are a subset of people of all ages who lack social skills. Social media has certainly contributed to an increase in poor social skills, but across all generations. I know just as many from the older generations who are glued to their phones or can't hold a conversation as those from the younger generations. Not all socialising has to happen online. I regularly find myself in an establishment called "a pub" having interesting and often inspiring conversations with people of all ages and genders, be that for WAM (splunches), kink in general (munches), vanilla special interest groups or friends. I can recommend it.

RevSlymsford said:

But to a degree. there is a reason why models like Lottie, Lottii, Epiphany, Bri, Miss Abigail, Ivy, Nikki and the other leading UK models who I haven't mentioned*, et al get booked over and over by everyone, which is that really really good reliable WAM models who turn up and deliver the goods time after time, are fairly rare.

It's quite a risk hiring someone new to WAM, especially when it's your livelihood, and you are meant to be filming customs etc. We do get quite a lot of no shows or spurious last minute cancellations, or models who really don't like it, or don't 'get it'. So when you find someone who is amazing, and mention them to other producers, it's no surprise they get offered more work. Candy recommended Ivy to me. I recommended Honour to everyone. Bri was recommended to me.

Producers all know the pain of having the materials ready and customs to be made and getting a spurious no show, or a model who is really not digging things, so we always want to use the models who really deliver the goods time and time again.

RevSlymsford said:
None taken at all.

I don't think this is strictly true (although it depends on your definition of small (something Mrs Rev often says to me ).

But to a degree. there is a reason why models like Lottie, Lottii, Epiphany, Bri, Miss Abigail, Ivy, Nikki and the other leading UK models who I haven't mentioned*, et al get booked over and over by everyone, which is that really really good reliable WAM models who turn up and deliver the goods time after time, are fairly rare.

It's quite a risk hiring someone new to WAM, especially when it's your livelihood, and you are meant to be filming customs etc. We do get quite a lot of no shows or spurious last minute cancellations, or models who really don't like it, or don't 'get it'. So when you find someone who is amazing, and mention them to other producers, it's no surprise they get offered more work. Candy recommended Ivy to me. I recommended Honour to everyone. Bri was recommended to me.

Producers all know the pain of having the materials ready and customs to be made and getting a spurious no show, or a model who is really not digging things, so we always want to use the models who really deliver the goods time and time again.

However to my original point, I would contend that if you look through the UK producers model lists there are probably more there than you imagine, and that's because we do keep trying to find the new Lottii or lottie or Bri etc..and once in a while you strike gold.

*because it's past my bedtime and I am old and have no memory

Pasta said:

I hadn't really thought of no-shows and last-minute cancellations. I'd always liked to think that would only happen if someone was genuinely ill, but sadly it seems not.

I've always thought you rotate your stock well, so we see good variety with the models and the formats every week.

EDIT: I did hear of one model who had a quite a low success rate at turning up for jobs she had been booked for. But I think she's long gone now, and didn't do very much WAM anyway, or maybe she just didn't turn up for very much of it!

RevSlymsford said:
Thanks for taking the points on board, and for the kind words about the stock rotation.

At the weekend just gone I filmed on both days. For the Saturday shoot, one new model cancelled with 24 hours notice and for totally legitimate verifiable reasons, which threw the Saturday preps into chaos as I messaged around trying to find a replacement. We eventually did, but lost valuable prep time.

On the Sunday, 5 minutes *after* the shoot start , a new model messaged and said "I can't make it because my babysitter cancelled". I will let you make of that what you will.

This time, despite wasting precious shoot time ringing round all my contacts, and while paying the other model to wait patiently while we worked out what the heck we could do, we couldn't get a second model; meaning I had to cancel and refund 2 customs entirely, and adapt another one to a one girl variant.

With Bri, the Lotties, Ivy, Miss Abigail et al...unless they are dead, you know they will turn up..and when they turn up, you know they will deliver and won't be 'gunge dodgers' or complain or suddenly announce that they won't work with shaving cream despite having known the scenes had shaving cream pies for months etc.

That's why producers always rebook, and eulogise, about these models. They are absolutely priceless.

STICKYFINGAHZZZ said: 4. UMD changed its rules and few years back, understandably, but now people are too paranoid to upload content because they don't want to give the website their name, address, and a copy of their photo ID

RevSlymsford said
With Bri, the Lotties, Ivy, Miss Abigail et al...unless they are dead, you know they will turn up..and when they turn up, you know they will deliver and won't be 'gunge dodgers' or complain or suddenly announce that they won't work with shaving cream despite having known the scenes had shaving cream pies for months etc.

That's why producers always rebook, and eulogise, about these models. They are absolutely priceless.

kinkywam123 said: I've been a member on and off for a number of years within this community, however, the last couple of years has, for me personally, seen UMD die a death. All the major WAM "models" have either left, don't post regularly, are involved in drama which inevitably makes its way to forums, or some other reason. Whilst not for me admittedly, half the site is bombarded with AI/synthetic images.

The main WAM models nowadays are more active on OnlyFans generally (again, not for me). I used to love coming on here, seeing new models open up to a new fetish, posting about how much fun they have. It seems now that any new "model" only wants to profiteer from their pics and vids.

Can completely forget talking to someone if you're a guy seeking a female about a mutual fetish and who knows one day maybe meet up - Fet is far easier for this.

What does everyone think? (There are exceptions, MessyGirl, Hotwam I'm looking at you as examples)

Curiouspaints said: Haven't been around as long as you maybe can't tell but I think the landscape has changed with age and promotions but the ai stuff if definitely overwhelming at times

4. The increasing percentage of disgusting content. Fake shit (oh sorry "alternative farm clay"), fake vomit, a fake baby (?!), rotten food, pet food, fish, offal, force feeding, models gagging or feeling ill, 'extreme' everything. It did not used to be like this here. Even savory was rare. Extreme BDSM content like this is bodysnatching the fetish from the sweet food/paint/mud/slime dominance of before. You can't show new partners this website. It's not fun and sexy, it's harsh and frightening. It's turning into real dark web stuff. If you are scrolling through it's like Russian roulette about whether you'll see something so disgusting you will want to immediately close the tab. We are continually told that we can't have a "gross/savory" checkbox/filter because it is too technically difficult (even though we can have filters for gender and AI?), but the main reason is that it would further expose just how little 'pleasant' WAM is on here now.

if you don't like the majority of the work from a producer, mute them. You've got the tools, use them.

HappyCamper said: Hi! UMD'er for 26.5 years,here!

While UMD has it's ebbs and flows, I still consider it an invaluable hub for this fetish.

sororia said: As someone who was once very active here, if UMD has had its day then it's a victim of it's own success. WAM is much more accessible and less underground/stigmatized than it's ever been and it's now possible to form community with people on both a lot of other online platforms as well as in real life. If I want to post about WAM I don't need to do it on this site and this site only anymore. If I want to meet up with people I don't need this site either.

UMD has always been about the fetish first and everything else has always sort of been an "anything goes/anyone is welcome" Wild West. There's nothing wrong with that fundamentally but it does mean that someone on this site will always disagree with you, someone will always be posting content you don't like, and someone will always be weird in your messages. It's the price of admission, and when I was younger and it was the only game in town I was happy to pay that price. Now that I can curate my own little WAM community with people I like both in real life and on other sites I don't find I'm interested in posting here.

Which is not to say that UMD doesn't have good features. It's still the one stop shop for keeping up with what many major producers are doing and I really like looking at the forums for that but I don't need to be WOTD to do that.