I love WAM. It's definitely my fetish - specifically getting messy. When I get messy I pretty much always end up in orgasm.

But whilst I still visit this site about four times a week, I used to find that the images turned me on a lot more than they do now. I'm not sure if this is just my tastes developing, or whether my niches have just become too niche. But it's as if I've become 'immune' to certain things like the day to day pies in the face or gungings that I used to love. I still like to see them and I comment on the good ones, but I don't get the stirring in my pants that I used to, unless it's something that is a very particular favourite niche of mine.

I wondered if anyone else has had this happen to them after many years of viewing WAM material? How do you feel about it?

I would say the abundance of WAM now, which includes the plethora of producers but also the mass amount of amateur youtube-style videos, when also coupled with the internet "opening up" foreign markets which leads to tons of mainstream material have affected me.

Back in the day, I'd VHS record blocks of television and scan through it for the odd little blurb or tidbit that didn't amount to very much. Now, every day there are several new WAM scenes (granted most aren't great, but even still they generally amount to being of equal rating to 90% of the rare mainstream wamming back in the day).

It's funny, as the old saying goes - be careful what you wish for, as you might just get it.

I think to a degree that holds true. All this material has kind of gotten me bored or unaffected by most of the stuff out there now. Nowadays most WAM moments do not evoke much reaction from me. A scene must be very, very good and cater to my specific likes in order to "work" for me, and very, very good moments are few and far between. Scenes that back in the day would have been great for me now are ones I'd probably not even bother downloading.

I'd also say my tastes have gotten much more specific as well. The things I like, they'll always "work" for me, but anything outside that tends to be of little value for me. I don't think I'm alone here, so on that level I kind of feel back for producers in today's environment. It's got to be hard to appeal to the "mass market" when everyone's personal tastes are so damn specific.

I wonder if this is human nature. Despite the mass of WAM now available, in most ways my enjoyment from it is about on the same level as it was. It's just that now with so much, my tastes have narrowed, so in the end I'm getting about the same amount of enjoyment overall.

Yeah I'm with you on this. I actually find I visit sites more through habit now more than anything. Obviously still get turned on but not on the scale I used to and it's quite specific to my tastes . I think that's just life though isn't it? You see your first porn mag and go to town. That same porno mag 10 years later once you've experienced so many other things won't have the same affect.

Right. The increased availability equals a degree of desensitisation but also, the proportion of stuff that doesn't hit the spot can be frustrating! Now there's tons of material, and most of it doesn't work for me. So it can feel like I'm trawling through more wam than ever but getting less total pleasure from it. But one thing that doesn't seem to diminish in spite of (over)exposure is the basic wam impulse - whenever I see a great scene for the first time, I know I've seen a great scene. So really, I think I still respond to wam and love it as much as I always did.

I can see this.
I used to be instantly turned on by looking at a photo of a drenched/messed up girl. But now, it's not always the case. As others have mentioned, the web has made it easier to see these types of images.

My two cents: it ebbs and flows.

Not to keep repeating myself, but I'd been in heavy "lurk" mode for nearly 3 years here until lately, for a variety of reasons.

I found myself weening off of UMD/WAM in general, and maybe the spirit would move me to seek out pie- and WAM-related content a couple times, maybe even once a month.

(Side note: i love that when I did seek out new WAM content, this place was here...I suppose there would be others to take its place, but it was just great to know that when I wanted to seek it out, I knew exactly where to go!)

I think WAM tends to plateau a bit for me. It feels the same; the models feel the same, or similar; the producers' "tricks" and styles seem to feel familiar and anticipated, and that's part of it. It's hard to keep things fresh. On the other hand, MG's stuff keeps fresh by always slipping in a new model every now and then; Ariel i feel keeps it pretty fresh, and luckily she and J and J have increased how fun and exploratory WAM can be; Rich actually succeeds through consistency, and that extends to the models, which are always both surprising and yet familiar (i hope that comes off as the compliment it's meant to be?), etc.

Some days/times, a pie is a pie is a pie, and unless it's a "holy grail" clip or a really truly dynamic or sexy WAM scene (Ariel's recent JOI pies clip is among the best I've ever seen, so...good time to drop back in here!), it's just kind of "enh".

And I remember falling into patterns a couple above have said - where i'd check the download stores, and check the sites, and it just kind of all felt like a rote exercise. That's one of the reasons I find it hard to justify a Membership to a lot of sites, even ones that are dedicated to weekly or bi-weekly content -- there's just only so much you can do to keep it exciting, fresh, make enough variations on a theme where I don't get bored/lulled into a feeling of "enh, yeah, i get it".

All the more kudos to MG, Rich and the many sites I'm forgetting to tip my hat to that have stood the test of time. (I mean, that does make MG's 18 years of continuous content seem really damn impressive, if you think about it.)

All in all, i wouldn't say i have an "immunity to WAM", but it does take something really special in the set, the model, the approach to light my fire. Thus, I really welcome the Jenn's of the world (with her hair) and others who actually are doing different, unique slants/variations on a theme. Thereby proving there are still avenues left to explore in this fetish...

Definitely. I'm totally neutered by it all.

Thanks for the compliments JoeYoung!
I get burned out on stuff as much as the next guy, even in my shoots... Which is probably the reason I'm always trying out new bits, new gags, new pie formulas, etc etc. At the same time, there are certain things (particular pie gags or flavors, or setups) that "work" for me over and over, so those tend to crop up regardless of model. After a while I guess it becomes your "style."

It's like musicians... Someone like Dylan, or Tom Waits, or Springsteen, or Prince... They've changed their sound a LOT over the course of many years, and yet you can immediately identify each artist regardless of the era.

I'm happy to have a style that's very recognizable, and "familiar" for what it's worth... At the same time, I look back on some of the early videos and the spirit is the same, but everything else is VERY different... From the staging and setups to the pies themselves! (And for the record, I think my current pies are the best they've ever been... But I understand some may disagree, especially those fond of my "90% shaving cream" era... Everyone likes the old stuff!!)

totally agree labyrinth.i have found over time certain wam just doesnt do it for me anymore.having said that,now and again something turns up that reaffirms my faith in wam lol.also i find as wam drops off other fetishes im in to tend to get more interesting.maybe its because wam is too big a part of my life.is my wam fetish in control of me,or do i control it?

I've found my tastes getting more and more specific over time, and that certain clips and stories I used to like I just don't care for anymore. For instance, no offence at all to TopGunge or its makers, but at first I loved the idea of a gameshow made by WAMmers, for WAMmers. Now I just do not give a damn about it since the women aren't barefoot. That's almost always a deal-breaker for me in the rare event I do actually buy clips.

The wam scene is old hat. Same old same old. Some producers now really seem like they are straining for new ideas. Wam used to excite me. Not any more. New warmers on the scene might see it differently, only because they have no frame of reference. Wam has run its course.

I don't think I've developed an immunity, but after so many years of basically getting nothing but customs (with my ex-wife) I find now that most commercial stuff doesn't appeal. Either the outfits are fantastic but the woman refuses to get it muddy, or the model has an allergy to getting her hair wet, etc. As was said -- the tastes just get very specific after a while.
(There are some good ones out there. I love the idea and execution of Wetlook Hunter, even if half the time the woman doesn't look like she's enjoying herself or just seems visibly awkward. The street interviews are fascinating to watch.)

I need to get a new girlfriend, I think.

And then some producers do try new stuff but can't gage when it's in incredibly bad taste

Yeah, I agree with pretty much everything that's been said. When I first started visiting here, every clip with an attractive girl getting pied or slimed seemed amazing. But over time, my tastes have definitely got more specific, so much so that I rarely buy clips these days. The girl, set up and mess have to be spot on for me to consider it.

That isn't to say the quality of WAM has declined, mind. If anything it's got better with more producers, the introduction of HD etc. I think it's more of a representation of my change in taste/exhaustion of ideas.

Nope. Still gets me hard as fuck!

Enigmahood and everybody else said it perfectly. It seems like we're jaded, but I think we are just getting extremely specific about what we care to see. The good thing is I believe that our whole one-to-one environment is perfectly suited to adjusting to these narrowing tastes.

Now you actually chill online with the very people who are creating the content. What a great, un-forced way to build rapport and also directly affect what content gets produced. So as the demand for quantity gets replaced by demand for specificity, you'll have content producers actively listening and rendering your ideas, which balances it all out IMO.

Some people think that there's nothing new in wam anymore, and we're seeing the same wam scene over and over. But it's the tiny differences now that will make someone love it instead of just going meh. That's why so much of it is still produced every day. Wam is definitely NOT dead.

There actually have been periods where I felt I was "over" WAM, which in part suggests how deeply its roots run to when I was young and becoming aware of my sexuality. Amidst my early memories of porn, PLAYBOY, etc. were definitely WAM-related content and fantasies. I know for the younger set, the constant references to YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON TV must feel old and perhaps a little tedious (the show has not dated especially well, and is even more of an artifact than most). But my mind was blown by what I was seeing at approx 6-12 years old.

For the most part, I didn't know I liked WAM until I liked WAM. It was like "Oh...well, this clearly is my/one of my jams". Almost didn't have a conscious choice in the matter.

But, as I said above, it ebbs and flows for me. Less of a burnout than a "Oh, there's just such a wide world of other stuff out there" sense. Perhaps that's part of seeing all you can see; for me, participatory WAM with a member of the fairer sex is the "final frontier" for me (though hopefully/presumably unlock a whole other world). I've self WAMmed, but mostly when i was younger; been a long time since i've shaving cream self-pied. I think it'd still do it for me in a pinch, but there just became something empty about it, bland about it. And I think the pics/vids I was consuming on UMD sort of reached that same point: there's ONLY so much variance you can bring to it generally. Though that isn't to say producers/amateurs aren't still not only trying, but occasionally succeeding and producing superior content.

Until I am able to introduce WAM into my romantic/sex life, UMD "will have to do" but it still offers up enough of what i consciously and subconsciously need that I'll never be truly "done" with it, i don't think.

I really mean what I've said here and elsewhere about the newer (and stalwart) producers: I take as much comfort and interest in the content providers I've always liked that are still doing what they do best, as I do in the efforts of newer producers to actually stretch and improve upon and elevate in some cases on what came before.

And, in closing...I like when MessMaster gives us his two cents.

JY

Glad i'm not the only one who had this type of thought.

I've been seeing a lot of videos doing pretty much the same things with the same substances making only minor variations. Seems like there are a billion videos featuring custard while maybe only a handful featuring syrup for example, I think many people are looking for variety of stuff or perhaps styles that are not done very often.

Well can't say I have an immunity to WAM but I have spent the last 10 years building up an immunity to iocane powder. I really want to be the Dread PIErate Roberts.

Inconceivable............right?

Robby
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Every time I see that movie, I wish Andre the Giant spoke with subtitles.

I'd suggest reading a book called 'Pornland' by Gail Dines which may offer some explanation as to why you may be less excited by this. It is written by a feminist and deals with conventional pornography, but also looks at how the brain has a constant need for novelty. Speaking for myself I have kind of moved from just pies in the face, then went on to pies with blow jobs and lately have found myself turned on by hot girls dressed as clowns. Pies are obviously a bonus here too. Websites such as yourbrainonporn may also offer a decent explanation too.

For the record, I don't believe WAM is as degrading as conventional porn even though pies in the face are usually done as a means of humiliating the receiver. Often though the women seem to be treated quite well by the producers. However the aforementioned websites and publications do go into why men who were initially excited by one thing will perhaps have it calm down. I myself have been attempting to give up WAM on and off of late and indeed have found that the longer I went (16 days is my max) the more I was being drawn back to being turned on by pursuing regular sex as well as going back to being turned on by just regular WAM, which I believe is a genuine fetish (some fetishes come about as a result of porn, in the case of WAM, I would argue most of us already had it for a while, apart from those who were shown it by a spouse).

One thing about those of us for whom this is a full blown fetish is that we pretty much always had it. We didn't choose the fetish; it just happened. We just always had an attraction to seeing sexy people covered in mess and the feeling of getting messy ourselves.

So bearing that in mind I don't think WAM will ever fully cease to be a turn on, and I think it is futile to try and give it up. I think perhaps what sites like UMD offer through their gratefully received daily dose of fetish stimulation is the chance to develop and refine an understanding of what really turns us on. I always liked mess, and the idea of sitting in mess - before this exposure I thought sitting on a jelly would be fun, but it didn't match up to the fantasy, whereas sitting on a cake was incredible and delivered the sensation I had hoped for.

So maybe getting desensitized to 'everyday' pie hits and gungings is just part of that process. Slightly disappointing in some respects, but then I don't know how I'd get through the day if I got as turned on as I used to by every pie hit given the amount of new material appearing!!! I'd be in meltdown!!! Perhaps it's for the best.....

I honestly can't buy your argument about 'refining' what turns us on after what I have read about standard porn. I get what you mean, but frankly I think the phenomena in both porn and fetish/WAM are much the same. If you look up something which is known as the 'chaser' effect, I think you'll start to get a better understanding of why the pie hit and slimings tend to become 'boring'. I believe that even though WAM is a fetish, it can still become an addiction. Though the research is still being carried out, there is increasingly large evidence to show that porn is becoming more extreme so as to satisfy a market looking for a more extreme fix. Bear in mind that porn a while back was either raunchy pics of naked women or fairly 'vanilla' (by today's standards) sex scenes. Now 'gonzo' porn is the norm and Max Hardcore sets the standard for what modern porn is when a few years back he was deemed 'too extreme'.

Now I don't wish to turn this into a soapbox where I vent what I truly think about the porn industry and whether or not it's actions are immoral or bad or whatever. However just as porn viewers over the years are demanding more extreme forms of porn, so porn becomes more extreme to accommodate their changing interests. I think this also happens to people who view WAM too and increase the frequency with which they view it. Once upon a time I would just think of the odd time where a pretty TV presenter would get pied or gunged, then my tastes eventually grew to the extent they are today. A fetish doesn't actually have to include sex but it can be made sexual, which I suppose is WAM's way of pushing the niche to the next level.

As for the argument about whether or not you can give up WAM, I actually believe you can, but with great difficulty. What none of us however could give up is the fact that seeing a woman get a pie in the face or getting covered in green gunge will always excite us, but I believe tastes mutate. As I'm sure you can guess, I have recently been reading into the detrimental effects of pornography and how the industry treats it's performers and how it exploits the viewers. In the case of WAM, it still often seems that any case of abuse is in the minority (if existent at all) and certainly not a problem in the majority. Indeed I myself am, as of tomorrow intending to start another fast, though I accept now I will always have this fetish, but at least I can hopefully calm it down to normal levels, something so called 'fapstronauts'/no fap advocates have said they have been able to do with porn (its not that important I mention that, but figured that it may be of interest to others).

Guess what?

I just built an immunity to WAM!

Out of Legos.

Pics or it didn't happen,muthafucka!

YES!

Lego porn...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhcnfadmUm0

or, as it's known in Denmark..
Sunday through Saturday.

Yes, I suppose so. You present a rational case and it's swayed my thinking to some extent.

When I first started solo WAM sessions, I'd be happy with some custard and a few bits and bobs, but whilst these things still tide me over, my focus on fulfilling my next fantasy has constantly grown to the point at which my major sessions may now take months of planning, not to mention budgeting.

I agree you can give up the exploitation of your fetish... as in you don't have to indulge in it, but I think the concept of not getting a bit of a hard on when I saw a cute girl get pied in the face is impossible for me as it's so innately part of who I am. It has been since I was tiny.

I'm curious to see how the process of getting the next big fix will ultimately end up.....