I don't think I'm in the minority here in that in my first days of coming on this site, I frequently used the preview pictures for scenes because I didn't have the money to buy them at the time.

My question is: has anyone ever bought a scene that they did the same too in the past, only to realize that it didn't live up to their expectations at all? I have a couple old scenes in my cart that I have the trigger finger on buying but I have some hesitation to do so because of that.

Is this like a don't meet your heroes kinda thing. Just let the scene be what it is in your head.

I've definitely found some scenes not as good as I expected but these were purchased when they were relatively new. Can't say it's happened over a scene I've admired for a long time before purchasing.

I was the same way. I browsed the preview pics for years. I would collect them, view them, and imagine what the video was like.

A few scenes did not live up to my expectations. For one example I'm not going to mention the specific producer or scene. It was a mud wrestling scene between two women. There was no trailer. The pictures looked amazing. I looked at them for years. When I finally watched it, there was a repeating music soundtrack that made it difficult to hear other noises. It was disappointing.

There are a few old scenes that I always wanted back from 2010. I finally bought them this year. Almost everything has met or exceeded my expectations, and were much better than what I had imagined from the preview images. Some are surprisingly better and features something that just hits the spot. There are some models that I found very attractive in previews, and they are even so much better in video with audio.

Ever since I started buying scenes, I stopped my collection of preview images. I have no regrets spending because of how gratifying it is to enjoy something that I desire and pay for. It is much better than preview photos or trailers.

Likewise with initially collecting preview pics and free samples, before I could afford to make purchases.

TBH I've always been very fussy about what I've bought, if there aren't enough clear previews or detailed description, I tend to skip past. This has largely protected me from disappointing scenes, and is also why I always provide plentiful preview pics and description text on my own scenes, I want to do all I can to ensure customers know what they are getting.

TBH the times I can remember being disappointed were invariably "producer error", and usually either idiotic camerawork, or just idiotic behaviour and bad planning.

A few scenes from a now-defunct producer come to mind:

1. A girl in a trouser-based casual outfit going for a walk, in the water, in a shallow harbour. The seabed underfoot was, as you'd expect, uneven rocks and stone, and yet for some insane reason the producer had given the girl high heeled shoes to wear. Which given the casual outfit didn't even make sense. The result was of course the poor girl spends the entire scene desparately trying not to break an ankle as she struggles over the rocky floor, which means neither she nor we get to enjoy watching her clothes getting wet. if she's been wearing trainers, would have been a much more comfortable experience for her and enjoyable video for us.

Lesson learned, while heels in mud can be OK (you get the comdey value as they sink in, and the model can still walk fine), heels on an uneven surface, esp underwater, is a terrible idea.

2. A girl in some very nice high-waist red jeans taking a mud-bath in a studio. Not much could go wrong there you'd think? Well, she steps into the bath, facing the camera, then reaches behind and grabs the sides of the tub, stretches her legs out in front of her, towards us, and starts to lower herself into the mud, bum-first, which means we have an absolutely perfect view from the front as her legs sink in and the mud wells up between them and starts to engulf the trunk of her jeans, **and** she's smiling and happy as she lowers herself in. Absolutely stone-cold money-shot right there. EXCEPT - right as she starts to sink in, the damned producer starts lecturing her in a loud male voice, rtight next to the mic, while the camera is running, about how she's doing it wrong, should have dipped her bum first and then stood up again. Talk about taking the concept of a boner-killer to the hardcore extreme? ARRGHHHH! It's not even watchable with the sound off, because the instant the guy starts ranting her expression completely changes and you can see she's upset and tell she's being told off.

Sadly there was no way to tell from the previews just how abysmally bad that was, plus that producer's content was usually at least OK, so written off to experience.

3. Going back a lot further, and a different producer, a mud-sinking and re-emergence scene. Older scene, filmed at the turn of the century, so lower resolution, but it was fairly cheap and the preview shots looked OK. Except it turned out the videographer had a horrific case of St Vitus Dance - for the entire scene, the camera bobs about like crazy. Well, other than one section where the camera operator puts it down on the ground. With the view blocked by a clump of grass. The model notices and actually tries to clear the plants out of the way but can't quite reach, having sunk to her waist at this point. No idea where the camera operator was looking, but it clearly wasn't through the camera. Eventually they pick it up and start jigging it about like crazy again. Completely unwatchable.


Having said all that, by and large, you can tell the quality of most scenes from the previews and descriptions. Do the previews show the whole model, or are they all zoomed in? If the latter, are the areas you want to see getting messy in-shot? Can you tell if the model(s) get messy all over, or just in front? How is it lit - way too many wetlook producers seem to not realise you should never have the light coming from behind the model. Is the description accurate for what you can see in the previews, does the producer know how to describe outfits accurately? And so on. There's also the lessons of experience, over time, you'll start to recognise both good and bad flags from how scenes are presented.

YES! Which is why I no longer do sponsorships or try to commission a custom video. If I can't sample the work I usually won't buy it (example a live clip or trailer) action stills no longer cut it for me. Since any hack can get their hands on a decent camera and editing app you really have to be choosy about who you purchase videos from. Unfortunately sometimes even preview clips can be misleading.

I'm a terrible consumer. But yeah. It has happened. The great expectation became, "Good God, that's awful."

I won't name anyone. One person's poison is another's delicacy.

I am a firm believer in full disclosure on your video description, though. I don't pretend that I was a perfect producer, and there are many challenges to filming in the wild, wild wilderness like I did.

In the end, it is fetish work. Nobody is going to be on the edge of their seats wondering how this ends. In fetish, spoilers are not buzzkill. They are often carefully read and fully appreciated.

Nessie

DungeonMaster- I'm the exact same as you- especially given how picky I am given what the model has to be wearing to turn me on.

The only two times I've really been disappointed about a scene were when I messaged the producers about dress length but was so confident that they would be maxi-length that I just straight up bought them 10 minutes after. One looked like it was from the preview shots, and the other was strapless and I kind of assumed from her having the repeatedly pull the dress up as it got heavier from the slime and pie that part of the reason it was falling was because it was long.

The producers did get back to me (one said "I believe it's just above knee length I'm afraid" and the other straight up with was like I have no idea) but not till after I had bought both scenes- I take the blame for that because I was a little too trigger happy in buying.

My only two other negative experiences with scenes have been:

1. A scene from a now defunct producer where two models are mud wrestling in dresses and one is in a black maxi tank dress. That scene had a boatload of pictures that years ago I would have been thrilled with. One of the model in the long dress getting out of the mud tank coated from head to toe. Another of her mid-hose-down. Dress visibly soaked. Mud streaming down her dress. Dress soaked to the point where it's dragging the ground. What's wrong it? Nothing, except I'm learning that photos don't do much for me anymore.

2. Another scene from the same producer with this model taking a slime bath in a maxi dress, and again, boatload of images that would have been perfect. One of her after the initial bath. Dress is COVERED. Another after she's doused herself in a few more colors, dress looks like the starry night painting and she's mid stride so the dress is extra clingy from being soaked. Except there's one picture in the bunch where she's posing and the look in her face reminded me a bit too much of the Here's Johnny scene from the Shining and it ruined it for me.

I have a huge cart but I keep them their to buy when funds become available

I don't have that many expectations but also I think one thing that could fix your issue is customs

You're 100% correct that customs is probably the way to go for me. It's just that, between the money and the fact that I feel like asking someone to make a custom for me would also feel like I was cheating on my girlfriend (if someone in a relationship who pays for customs could chime in that would be appreciated) I just don't see it happening anytime soon.

Far too many.

It's how I found myself producing. I just felt every messy wrestling scene was a half measure of what it COULD be if someone put in half the effort. Even Mainstream scenes have fell short; The Dirt and Chippendales just to name a couple. If Hollywood, with all the money at its disposal, can't do it right these days then that is saying something and I get it. This shit is HARD. Just ask myself or GLAM.

The difference is you and GLAM actually give AF. Most producers that aren't established just want to make a quick buck and throw together any old lame BS and advertise it as a WAM Wrestling bout or a Catfight/Wrestling clip and the "wrestling" is so half-assed and pathetic between the girls giggling the whole time there's barely even any contact made or physicality involved to qualify it as wrestling. To be clear I don't ask for much just give me something resembling what you advertised if you say it's a wrestling clip make the girls WRESTLE , it doesn't have to be intense, amateur wrestling night at the local nightclub caliber wrestling is all i'm asking or at least GLOW level. Don't even get me started on the half-assed WAM Wrestling matches. Calling a bag of topsoil and a pitcher of water "mud wrestling" or using one small bottle of baby oil for two women wrestling in a Walgreens $10 kiddie pool an oil match. I could rant for days about this topic and I'd LOVE to call out names but I'm not going to. I've taken my anger meds and BP pills so believe it or not I'm feeling a bit mellow now. LOL!

LOL rant away, friend. Rant away

I think the one thing where we stand out is we are the absolute antithesis to what wam wrestling has been for the better part of the past decade (or more even) and GLAM shares that camp with us as well (albeit with a different approach) which is probably why we get along so damned well. Not just in ideology of what a messy wrestling match should entail but also just in the spirit in how we choose to shoot. We both want to push boundaries and raise the bar in our own ways. 2 sides of the same coin, if you will. Pretenders will come and go, but GLAM and ourselves live for this shit.


I honestly can't say whether or not a producer is established or not is a factor. I mean, I came out like a bat out of hell for a lot of people LOL. I've also seen established producers make weak efforts and even one reach out to me when I first hit the scene to get help on how to shoot oil wrestling matches in hotel rooms. For me, it was always a matter of desire. I knew what I wanted to do. I knew how I wanted it to look and turn out. Everything else was a question of how much work was I willing to put into this thing to put out my best possible product/effort. For example: Last shoot, I didn't see home until 7am the following morning and I was there since 10am the day before preparing for the shoot. I know GLAM is usually working the most of the day or night before his shoots. This gig isn't for the weak willed. There is a lot of backbreaking effort that goes into this stuff that isn't seen by our audiences, by both us AND the ladies.

Those sound like my regular work hours LOL (wait... that isn't funny )
Anyway established producers pull that half-assed BS when they get complacent because their sales are good, which leads to laziness which fanboys will still buy their products because well...they're fanboys, then comes arrogance when they just stop giving a s*** because they know whatever they do at this point people will still buy it because X company is X company and their fan base is 100% committed at that point. If I was in a business like you guys I'd loose sleep over the fact that I'd be scared that my current video wasn't as good as my last. I'd be obsessed with always trying to out do myself. I also have been labeled a "perfectionist" which I believe is a gift and a curse. We always strive for the best result possible but no result ever lives up to our insane expectations. That's the mindset of an artist I guess or maybe i'm just weird lol

This isn't necessarily a scene that let me down but more of a company. I've had mounting issues with them over the years but not poor customer service but P**S POOR customer service needs to be put on blast! This company sells WAM Wrestling matches as well as regular so mentioning them here is relevant albeit I really just want to air out their BS to everyone so I may be stretching it calling them a wam based company. I'm not a complete a****le so I'll give them 48hrs but after that I'm naming names.

Stay tuned.

If anything changes I'll update accordingly

Quick update....

Everything is fine now, problem solved AND in a timely manner