I've been seeing a lot of videos involving the mass migration of illegals to Europe. Hopefully things don't go downhill, but from what I know, France has folded. Hope other countries don't lose their identies.

People who migrate only make our countries better. They bring their culture which enriches the cultures that already exist. In the case of Florida, illegal workers make up your hospitality industry and crop harvesting as well as other jobs. When you are a contributing member of society I have no problems with people migrating and welcome them. My ancestors migrated here illegally just like many others on this forum.

Well, in that case, America lost its identity long ago when some stupid white a** landed there. Who's sorry for that, today? Not many...

Ah yes, the dog-whistle of the "Illegals" noun.

Most folks are not illegal. That's our right-wing (re: bigoted/racist/fascist) media report. You can go to any country, by any method, as long as you intend to report to the proper authorities.

Now some ARE illegal, but why would they want to move? Normally they are forced out due to poverty, war, removal of rights etc so don't worry, they don't WANT to be in your shitty country (I include mine), they would prefer to be at home, but they just can't.

Finally, most migrants help the country they move too, by doing the jobs that the pompous arses occupying the country think are beneath them. They pay loads in taxes and keep things like food prices low.

Overall I would accept 100 migrants if we could kick out 1 racist, bigoted, low-IQ waste of space that shout about them.

How does that work when there are various offences committed by anyone who arrives in the UK without proper documents?

Possible offences include:
- Entering the UK without leave or arriving without entry clearance contrary to section 24 Immigration Act 1971 ("the 1971 Act")
- Possession of false identification documents with improper intention contrary to section 4 Identity Documents Act 2010
- Entering the UK without a passport contrary to section 2 Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants, etc.) Act 2004

Here's all the information about those crimes https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/immigration

What would you say is a sustainable number for arrivals by small boat per year?

"From what I know, France has folded".

What does that even mean?

All of those are covered by the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 and the 1951 Refugee Convention. The original post is correct, as long as they report immediately to authorities, they have a legal defense.

Now I don't think people should be crossing the channel in small boats... it's bloody dangerous. I used to work on the ferries out of Dover and being on one of those was scary enough at times, let alone a dingy with 60+ people on it. But there needs to be a much more common sense approach to it. There are very, very few ways to seek asylum in the UK... which means people have to do what they do.

Anywho, I'm not about to argue on here about all this because it's a can of worms... but thought I'd just correct that particular post.

No idea, but I bet you don't either. Have you even looked/thought about it? But, to humour you:

We throw away so much food that they can easily be fed.
We have so many empty houses, or owned by overseas investors or folks with a large landlord portfolio that could be limited, that we could easily house them.
There are jobs they can do, and set up their own.
Taxing mega corporations that have not paid anything for years and billionaires would easily cover help, NHS etc (this is a econimc fact, oft proven)
Not all would stay, depending on home/whim etc.

...So it's not really that hard, you just have to look at the economics and change it from benefiting the few to being fair and benefiting the population. Believe it or not, there used to be a huge tax on folks with more than 100mil.

But this would take a massive shift in point of view and empathy...and I guess it's easier to believe the Daily Fail and be a xenophobic bigot.

I hope people like that enjoy choosing hate, because it will eat them from the inside and will have no effect on civilised society.

The constant whipping up of outrage over migration is bait to get you to empower the political mouthpieces of the super-wealthy. None of these 'patriots' give a damn about immigrants or sovereignty or 'Bri'ish values', it's to hide the real agenda of smashing up your rights, freedoms and protections so that billionaires can get even richer (you can substitute immigration for climate action, fossil fuel companies are getting really spooked and pumping money into FUD over renewables, EVs, active travel, etc). Have a look at who donated to the Brexit campaign and who funds Reform etc. As a general rule, anyone trying to panic you that your way of life is under threat is probably the biggest threat themselves.

Makes me remember this little story:

Three people are sitting around a table: a banker, a citizen and an immigrant. On the table, there is a bowl of 20 cookies.

The banker immediately takes 19 cookies and tells the citizen: "Look out, the immigrant is going to take your cookie!".

You must have some idea as you're saying they should be allowed into the country.

Resources and services are finite so there has to be a limit to the number of boat migrants that this country can support.

Let's make the question simpler as we're just talking rough ball park numbers
One thousand a year?
Two thousand a year?
Five thousand?
Ten thousand?
Fifty thousand?
One hundred thousand?
Half a million?
One million?

Where would you draw the line?

One of the ways to help stop the number of assylum seekers would be for the richest countries (USA, UK, France, Saudi Arabia, China, India etc) to stop funding wars, bombing countries and cut the amount of damage done to the environment. But we we won't because the amount of money in the arms trade is too high. The USA needs constant conflict and arms races to keep pushing the sales. The more wars, the more destruction and instability caused, the more refugees - it's simple.

The other major player in this, is climate change. But as we can see, the fossil fuel lobby has huge money, and have bought so many politicians. Despite green energy being cheaper over the whole life span, and considerably less susceptible of the global price of oil and Gas, we still have politicians pushing the myth that oil and gas power is where we should be investing. And no, before anyone says about north sea oil and gas - that is sold on the global market, like it is elsewhere too. It's how global markets work.

But to the OP, I wouldn't listen less to Faux news, I mean Fox news, the liar in chief and the right wing media owned by the media oligarchs like Murdoch, Dacre, Springer and so many others. Their agenda is do whatever they can to further their interests and make sure they pay as little as possible out to accumulate as much wealth and power as possible.

I'd say that there's a limit to the number of people that a country can support (i.e. a maximum viable population size), but it's not specific to boat migrants. E.g. if you sealed the borders and stopped anyone new coming in, but then all existing families started having 7 kids, you'd still wind up with overpopulation. So, I don't think it makes sense to focus on immigration as the sole factor.

As many as want to come. Because I don't turn away people who need help because of some made up resource BS used by xenophobes, bigots and fascists.

Let them all come, let us be an example of how to treat people properly, like humans and not political tools.

I will take the whole lot of them because turning 1 away is a stain on our nation.

I WOULD WELCOME EVERY SINGLE ONE OVER ANY UK BIGOT YOU CAN MENTION.

Hope that answers your question....I await the shift in goalposts while ignoring the important parts of my previous posts as is the want to do of 'your kind'.

"your kind"

What do you mean by that? Please do elaborate so that I don't misinterpret what you're saying

Why would you be throwing phrases like that around when you're also talking about how to treat people properly?

Getting back to the topic at hand, how is what I've said about resources being finite "some made up bs"?

Are you saying that resources are infinite? Public services are incredibly strained and many are almost at breaking point. If that doesn't show that resources aren't unlimited then I don't know what other examples can be given.

To echo your words, "What do you mean by that?"

Putting it another way, is this a problem that could be solved by adding extra people? E.g. extra doctors/nurses in NHS hospitals.

Or is the problem that the public services are under-funded? If so, would it help to have more people paying tax?

If only it were as simple as just adding more doctors, nurses, teachers, police, paramedics, courts, council staff and every other human resource across all public services.

That takes lots of time. Spending on the NHS as a percentage of GDP has been increasing for years and years which would suggest that it's more complicated that the levels of funding public services receive.

When the first humans walked the earth, they walked and migrated to every corner of the planet. The difference now is that a journey which once took weeks or months takes hours. And the differences between the rich and the poor is getting bigger and bigger. So, if you're starving, dying of thirst and persecuted in a less developed country, I guess that the best thing to do is to bow your head to your betters and thank Trump for cancelling the aid which kept the most desperate people in the world alive. God help us. Peter

Yes, you've said it all.
Thanks, Peter