It is indeed. Thank the republicans that can't come up with real reasons to get elected so instead have to make up enemies to fight or pick out cultures to be against.

I'm anti wrestling. Hate mud wrestiling, normal wrestling and the the sport of it. If wrestling bites the dust than it will be for the better. Now don't take this as being infamitory. I've just had super bad experiences with wrestling. That's what the teachers used to say to my parents to explain me getting beaten up at school.

Wrestiling repesents toixc masculinity and overtly sexualisation of women.

Maybe if I didn't have such a a bad XP early in life I'd have a different POV.

Does make me wonder, does make me wonder?

To ignore the other side's contributions (And plenty of them exist) to this folly is being shortsighted. Both sides are complicit and both sides are involved. The fact that people assume blame on one specific side (typically the one they are vehemently against) while pretending "their side" is infallible is part of the problem. And yes, Both sides are guilty of this as well, but we can dive deeper into the rise of political hatreds post killing of the Fairness Doctrine in PM. I don't wanna sidetrack the topic further, however I love civil and constructive discourse on such matters!

Firstly, allow me to extend my apologies for your experiences. That shit is unacceptable on every possible level and a violation of trust on the highest order, and I am genuinely sorry you had to endure that.

Secondly, not taking anything you say as inflammatory at all! You have your reasons and I absolutely respect them.

I will argue the toxic masculinity and overly sexualization of women part, though.

If we are talking amateur wrestling or in that same vein MMA, BJJ etc, it is a sport/art. Nothing more, nothing less. I take BJJ and much like any grappling art, we sometimes call it the "douche bag filter". It just isn't possible to be in the same room with superior martial artists than yourself and be boastful or arrogant simply because if you get caught, you have no choice but to tap. If anything, it is the opposite of toxic masculinity because you have no other choice than to leave any ego at the door and be a resource to others, above and below.

Pro Wrestling like in the WWE/AEW etc., that's different and varies by who you ask. A responsible adult sees it as what its intention is. Sports entertainment. A Sports soap opera, if you will. We know it isn't real or rather the outcomes are predetermined and the wrestlers are playing a character whether a heel (bad guy), a face (Good guy) or antihero/antiestablishment character (IE Stone Cold Steve Austin, DX etc). It's no more toxic than watching any Fast and Furious movie. Now more so than ever since most of WWE is now PG orientated vs it's Attitude and Ruthless Aggression era. I can however see the problem when immature individual who cannot seem to discern fantasy from reality watches it. It really boils down to common sense much like any COD or GTA Video Game or slasher flick. While they are not for everyone, this doesn't automatically constitute them as harmful or bad. It's subjective to the maturity and common sense of the individual. You can see worse stuff on Reality TV or Jerry Springer Show.

As for the sexualization of women, I strictly think that is a woman's question to answer however it depends on what happens and how they are treated behind closed doors. I can probably say without any uncertainty that the WWE during the Attitude era had a much more negative opinion of women on their roster than they do now. Has that changed since then? I don't know. Some may argue yes, while some may argue no and both sides present compelling arguments. On the surface, maybe but then again, they also let a recent female talent go because she actually pursued posting her own risqué content on her private fan site. Wouldn't it be the fair stance of respecting women of the industry go both ways even if they decided they actually LIKED showing their body? It was an interesting debate to watch take place and the most unsuspecting people took her side in the matter.

As for Mud Wrestling, well, this is fetish we are talking about. It is the sexual inuendo that makes it what it is. I just so happen to be a fan of both female wrestling fetish AND select WAM scenarios. The implication of two women in bikinis, single pieces, fully clothed or no clothes at all writhing against each other in a contest of who dominates who is part of the visual appeal and allure. Again, it is not for everyone, and everyone's tastes may vary. We all have our reasons of why and why not and both are respected as far as I am concerned.

While I agree there are issues with both sides, "cancel culture" is a term used almost exclusively by the right wing to the point it is now a propaganda term. To that point, you can safely assume the politics of someone that uses the term in seriousness. It comes from the the belief that free speech releases people from accountability and the repercussions of their words or actions.

To the rest of us, "cancel culture" is just the same accountability that has existed throughout human culture since the beginning.

On the subject of "Culture war," remember who is the aggressor and campaigns on its intolerant of homosexuality, has made things like gender identity a political issue.

When people push forward the "both sides are as bad as each other" opinion, I tend to sigh and roll my eyes. Neither are perfect, and that's an issue with a two-party system, but one has clearly harmed the country and continues to try to. The democrats didn't overturn Roe Vs. Wade, continually try and make homosexual people second class citizens, force their religion on the country, willfully ignore the plight of African Americans in this country, or elect a intelligence-retarded racist, sexist, thieving, draft-dodging, tax-dodging, cry-baby rapist to be president of the US.

Whole heartedly agree with "cancel culture" being used as a lightning rod for the right. It is about as played out as the rubber chicken gag. Having said that, I clearly remember abhorrent behavior from the left during the 2016 election cycle (which many may agree is partly what galvanized the right and encouraged voters to choose Orange guy), the COVID Pandemic and let us not forget the clever campaigning of the DNC with stickers that said "At least we are not Republicans". I mean a majority of Dems forget they were calling 50% of Americans "Deplorables" simply because they were not voting for a Blue Donkey, And no. You are never going to get me to be on board that acting equally as childish as the right simply because "they started it" is the proper way for adults to behave. The smartest thing the Dems finally did in 2020 was caught onto the fact that you don't wrestle a pig. You get dirty anyways and the pig likes it. (But seriously though, The rabbit hole only goes deeper from here. If you wanna chat more on this, I'd be most happy to do it in PM. I don't want to make this strictly a politically charged thread. I know there is "Cancel Culture" in the title but I wanna try to honor the spirit it was in and keep it WAM orientated)

Having said that, as I said, I don't attribute the nixing of sex appeal from beer commercials to "cancel culture". We have been heading in this direction for a while now and as I said previously, even during the peak of the mud and oil wrestling period during the "decade of decadence", there was still loud voices in the room screaming on how degrading it was to women (despite the women themselves saying they enjoyed it). This is nothing new. Just the same thing with a different face for a different generation.

Isn't culture war also basiclaly driving a lot of European right wingers too though? Like, Brexit seemed as much of a culture war thing as aany, and anti-immigration attitudes seem to be a focus of British consservatives to some extent. I don't super follow that stuff so I could be wrong.

I think it's less than "women shouldn't be sexy," but back inthe day when stuff like mud wrestling was biggest, that always seemed to have to be the focus. If you watched a movie there was no female lead unless it was a crybaby drama, maybe a comedy or they could be the love interest who needs to be protected in a thriller or action flick. It's crazy watching some of the 80s movies and Jesus some of them were some rapey shit.

But like, saying muscle men was used to sell stuff is true but skips the main issue...hot dudes were fine, but also back in the day you would have John Belushi starring in movies, John Candy, Jim Belushi starring a show married to a hot wife, Kevin James in a show married to a hot wife. Ugly guys leading films and tv was standard, how many women can you think of who looked anything like that were doing the same? Sure you can pick a few outliers, but it was way stacked the other way.

Anyway, things have evened out some, so seems like a good time for more mud wrestling.

I really and truly never saw this commercial before. Or maybe I did when it was new but I forgot.

I think it's hilarious! I don't see anything wrong with it. And I appreciate the presence, and use of, the mudpit.

One woman's idea of exploitation can easily be another woman's total nothing-burger.

I'm really tired of the constant culture wars. Ninety percent of it is some humans being psychologically and emotionally incapable of "scrolling past" things that they don't like. Instead they dwell on those things, obsess about their sinfulness, and insist on a right to never encounter such a thing even by pure accident.

They attempt to stamp it off the face of the earth.

Enjoy the commercial. Feel no shame. It's easy to find on YouTube in its entirety.

Nessie

I'd love to see this happenbecause my parody is officially Full Steam Ahead.

I'm really sorry that society isn't regularly making free fetish material for you anymore, I guess you'll have to buy porn like the rest of us.

Also, what I'm seeing here is that Miller hired Ilana Glazer, a comedian, to make a profanity-laden commercial making fun of their old ads and right wingers are having their second meltdown of the year over a fucking beer ad.

How is this "cancel culture?" Who is being canceled? Did anyone lose their job over a 20 year old commercial? The reason mud wrestling isn't in ads anymore is because it's outdated and most people don't give a fuck about it. The last time I can even remember messy wrestling on mainstream TV was that scene from girls where Lena Dunham wrestles some other girl in blue slime. Did Lena Dunham get canceled for it? Nobody gave a fuck. If anything, people talked about her being brave or some shit.

Conservatives in this country are such whiny little babies. Shut the fuck up and go find some real problems.

Sorry to keep this line going but have to pull up some of this strawmanny gaslighting here. Firstly, I'm not sure what the Covid pandemic has to do with anything. It was not some US only attack on conservatives. It was global and the measures and restrictions applied by countries were often similar across the world. Whether these measures were right or wrong in hindsight is a point that should be debated but there should never have been politicisation of public health.

Secondly this idea that "Dems said 50% of Americans are deplorables" is also nonsense. It was Clinton who said she placed half of Trumps supporters in a basket of deplorables. So if that means 50% of republicans supporting Trump then that's about 15% of the electorate (about 6% of Americans). If it's 50% of trump voters (republicans and independents) then that's about 32 million people, so 10% of Americans. No one ever said 50% of Americans.

These numbers do seem about right when you see idiots smashing up target stores, storming the capital or simply being happy to say "that's my guy" to someone found liable for sexual battery who is most well known for lying and being a con man. It's not half of Americans, it's just the minority group of die hard maga fools.

I'm not American so only offer this from an outsiders perspective. It is a shame though to see the rise in hate in recent years. The sooner those stoking fascist ideals disappear, the better.