Love to see women get messy, and I love to get messy.
I have no interest in seeing humiliation. I just want to see a woman having fun with it. If it's something they are new to and trying out, and there's a bit of that new embarrassment in what they are trying, that's OK. But if there's intention to genuinely humiliate, it's an immediate turn-off for me. Even if not intentional, if she is humiliated, be it genuine or faked, it's a turn-off. In fact, it's almost universally a turn-off to have any attempts at acting or plot involved.
So, that's my vote for the topic: love getting messy, can't stand humiliation.
Johnny_Yen said: I never understood the "humiliation" thing. It strikes me as such an insipid farce: so transparently false. If the girl lets you mess her up, you're NOT humiliating her! She's OK with getting messy!
And if she doesn't "let" ( and you do it anyway) you are committing a battery (both a crime and an actionable tort)
What kind of limp dick is aching to humiliate women anyway? Is it some sort of psychological compensation for being turned down by that cute High School girl you wanted as your date to the Jr. Prom?
Bizarre.
l.
I will bite.
Surely you could apply your comments to any fetish or fantasy. It is not real. In fact any scene YOU buy where an actress is being paid to perform, they could be acting as if they are enjoying it while actually hating it in Rl.
As to your other point, The whole point of buying fetish vids is to explore fantasies in a safe way. Of course I would hate to see any of these humiliating things happen to anyone of any gender in rl.
Meanwhile those who enjoy a FANTASY about humiliation know it's not real..of course we do.
Who knows why any of us like a particular fantasy. Who knows why some are straight and some are gay and who cares. As long as we cause no harm to others I have no issue with anyone's fantasies.
But you could slag off every single fetish as being for limp dicks. I thought those of us who all share a fairly unusual fetish would know better than to try and say one variant of it is normal while another part is for limp dicks
I like to see the bad guy in a superhero movie meet his doom in a big spectacular way, possibly in an explosion. Does this mean I actually enjoy seeing people die? No. As Rev said, it is fantasy.
I would never actually humiliate anyone in real life, man or woman. It would be mean to say the least.
When I think about the humiliation of getting hit with a pie, my heart beats faster, skin gets flushed, fight or flight kicks in... And that all gets heightened if there is stripping of clothes and dignity, and especially so if others share in all that vulnerability. Sound familiar? It all feels so wrong and yet so right for those of us who got messy slapstick tangled up in their sexual make up when it was being formed. And when I see other people get messy, yes I do revel in their humiliation, but mainly with the thought that it will lead to THEIR sexual arousal, and then a cycle between us of more gunge, sex, mud, pie slapping, paint brushes,... etc, into a general sloppy degradation spiral of euphoria. I say "mainly" because there are admittedly some crueler thoughts in there that I wish were not. Happily, those thoughts for me have been more fleeting and not strong enough to overpower my care for others' well being in real life. So yeah it's complicated. But after years of the good folks here at UMD sharing their thoughts and experiences it's easier for me to understand and be comfortable with.
myohpie said: But still, getting off on the concept of humiliating a woman just seems bit psychologically "rapey" to me.
Wow I was surprised by such a judgmental response here on UMD. I personally am not into bondage or nudes but would not say those who are into that are "rapey"!
I think it's understandable that people with a humiliation fetish would get offended by the implication that it is somehow not consensual. But if you think about it "real" humiliation where someone gets embarrassed and made fun of in public isn't consensual. At least in a fetish video the person has consented to it so it's more of a fantasy than "real" humiliation.
Wam & humiliation go together well but personally I'm not exclusively into the combination. I don't personally want to be humiliated but I will do it for someone else.