So? Before I talk to mm I wanted to ask you all If I have a video that is 20 minutes long? I'm literally in front of the computer for HOURStrying to pick and choose how to tell the story..and make sure that anything I did that appeals to anyone? Makes the cut. Usually? I can't get that all in with 24 grabs. I had an idea! Which? Is totally throwing it out there. Maybe? If someone has a video over 18 minutes? They could have like 6-8 extra grabs they can use? So that way? People can see what they are getting. Or if the video is 25 mins long? Like 8-10 extra grabs used. I know this could cause controversy as to wammer of the day and people might try to make videos longer for more pics but? I think if we all just abide by the rules and try not to bend them or anything? I think it would really help in this respect. I'm putting a video up right now and I have to go back through again and see what I can delete to make sure that the ending? Isn't just one pic bc then people will think I only used my toy for a minutewhich I didn't. I know we could explain this in the description and break it down but? A lot of people rely on pics! I know I do when purchasing content! What do you all think? Thanks for reading! Also? Just remembered. Back in the day you were allowed to put pics on a gallery or somehting for your video. Maybe we could bring that back? And keep it to a minimum per video time. ? I think if we all did it BY THE RULES it would make it to where mm wouldn't have to do a big coding change and all that noise. But alas---sometimes people don't follow the rules. I know I have been one of those people who just didn't read the new rules of something and ended up breaking a new rule bc I didn't read :/ Wooops. It happens! But? I think a change in this would really help us producers to showcase our vids and make sure that the parts that are important to the scene? Are there to be SEEN. Thanks again for reading and responding in advance. Love you guys and gals!
I regularly myself having the same issues, however I think the wider problem is likely to be server speed/capacity more than anything else. If there were 6-8 extra screen grabs for every video over a certain length then that would give a fair chunk more data to load on every page and potentially slow the site down. I'm not aware of any other download stores that allow you more screens for longer clips so I think we shouldn't expect this of UMD either. Happy to be proven wrong on this front but I think we will all just have to bite the bullet
MessyBratz said: I regularly myself having the same issues, however I think the wider problem is likely to be server speed/capacity more than anything else. If there were 6-8 extra screen grabs for every video over a certain length then that would give a fair chunk more data to load on every page and potentially slow the site down. I'm not aware of any other download stores that allow you more screens for longer clips so I think we shouldn't expect this of UMD either. Happy to be proven wrong on this front but I think we will all just have to bite the bullet
Yes it would. That is why I think it should only be for videos like? Over 20 mins long. Or 20 mins and over That way? It's not a huge server issue It's just--giving more pics for a longer video that needs it. I mean? We put our heart and souls and money into this and if I'm gonna put myself and my "me time" on the web? I wanna be able to really showcase it! For all it has! But I get what you are saying too! I also? Have been doing my stuff in high quality but not FULL 4k as my camera allows bc I would have to break my scenes into two parts. It's like one step below maximum 4k. I feel like now? I should do it this way..so I can use my camera to its full capacity when editing and be able to tell my story. And? If my pieces are only 10 mins each? I should only be allowed 20 pics. See what I'm saying? So? Lower the amount of pics on under 10 min scenes and higher the pics on 20 min scenes. Should work itself out ?
What about putting extra preview pics in the forum post when you first advertise the scene? Assuming you could even link that post in the description on the sales page so people could back track from the store to see them. Just a thought...
JD and Messy Andi said: What about putting extra preview pics in the forum post when you first advertise the scene? Assuming you could even link that post in the description on the sales page so people could back track from the store to see them. Just a thought...
you can do that....i could do that.
but most people that purchase scenes? Do not get on the forums. They just click on an ad, or they just go directly to my store. plus? once the scene gets older and is no longer actively on the forum (as in you would have to search for it) most people arent going to do that. They are looking at the scene and that is all. That is a good idea for the first week though! also? I dont like to look like a jerk and upload a gazillion extra pics...but I may do that. So many screengrabs from my latest update were SO COOL and I had to delete them to make sure everyone saw what happened. some really bad ass shots! but that is a good idea for the interim thank you!
The trouble with giving away too many thumbnails is that you can end up giving away the entire scene. I have lots of longish scenes - most of our dungeon ones run 20 to 25 minutes, and we've some more than an hour long (mostly very detailed customs), but I've never found the 24 shots to be a limitation.
The way I do it is:
First, lots of clean shots. Model(s) full height, front and back, then close up details, face, chest, trunk/crotch/thighs, feet/footwear, bum shot, back of hair, full height rear view. I can easily use 10 of the 24 shots just on the clean views, because I want the audience to know excactly what the model looks like, and exactly and in detail what her outfit is.
Then, a few shots to show how things start, a few from the middle, a few to show at least one of the models having her hair messed up, and a few from the very end to prove they got totally messy all over (or conversely who remained clean, if anyone).
For more subtle detail, that goes in the description. Basicaly write a brief but detailed synopsis of the scene, exactly what they're all wearing, who does what to whom, where the gunge goes first, whether there is cake sitting or shoe filling or rolling around in mud, etc. There ain't no such animal as too much information when selling WAM scenes. There are many scenes over the years I didn't buy because there weren't any decent clean shots so I couldn't properly tell what the outfit was, or whether I'd be able to see the parts that interest me getting messy, and so on.
One thought on wanting to include more thumbnails, this could possibly be activated if you turn off enlargeable thumbs. That would avoid the server load problem as only tiny thumbs instead of full-size images would be available to viewers.
Also remember it is allowed to split a scene into parts if there is a genuine reason for it (i.e. not just trying to get round the file size rules). So for instance if you have a scene that's 10 minutes fully clothed, then 10 minutes naked, then 5 minutes hose-down wash-off, you could make that three separate files and include 24 previews from each file.
I did not know there was a limit. I figure either one of two things. A trailer that is 1 or 2 minutes with the 20 minute or more videos (or 7% to 10% of the length) that includes clean shots messy shots any nudity for a brief idea. Kind of like a movie trailer and not a trailer that is the story with none of the mess. That is like a John Wick movie with nothing but narration in the trailer and no action. Or do a 1 picture per minute rule.
DungeonMasterOne said: The trouble with giving away too many thumbnails is that you can end up giving away the entire scene. I have lots of longish scenes - most of our dungeon ones run 20 to 25 minutes, and we've some more than an hour long (mostly very detailed customs), but I've never found the 24 shots to be a limitation.
The way I do it is:
First, lots of clean shots. Model(s) full height, front and back, then close up details, face, chest, trunk/crotch/thighs, feet/footwear, bum shot, back of hair, full height rear view. I can easily use 10 of the 24 shots just on the clean views, because I want the audience to know excactly what the model looks like, and exactly and in detail what her outfit is.
Then, a few shots to show how things start, a few from the middle, a few to show at least one of the models having her hair messed up, and a few from the very end to prove they got totally messy all over (or conversely who remained clean, if anyone).
For more subtle detail, that goes in the description. Basicaly write a brief but detailed synopsis of the scene, exactly what they're all wearing, who does what to whom, where the gunge goes first, whether there is cake sitting or shoe filling or rolling around in mud, etc. There ain't no such animal as too much information when selling WAM scenes. There are many scenes over the years I didn't buy because there weren't any decent clean shots so I couldn't properly tell what the outfit was, or whether I'd be able to see the parts that interest me getting messy, and so on.
One thought on wanting to include more thumbnails, this could possibly be activated if you turn off enlargeable thumbs. That would avoid the server load problem as only tiny thumbs instead of full-size images would be available to viewers.
Also remember it is allowed to split a scene into parts if there is a genuine reason for it (i.e. not just trying to get round the file size rules). So for instance if you have a scene that's 10 minutes fully clothed, then 10 minutes naked, then 5 minutes hose-down wash-off, you could make that three separate files and include 24 previews from each file.
the problem i have is? I go to pick out pics, right? Obviously if im putting up a video with "tales of public penetration and mud" then? I need to show where im in public, in the mud, creating my own mud pit with my body, making sure there are plenty of shots of me nude so they dont get the wrong idea with me having a bikini on, making sure I have the pics of the "playtime" with myself and making sure there are enough to show that "yes, i did do this for longer than 2 mins" then? there is trying to show the ending result. My problem was? I found so many awesome shots that my camera man worked really hard to get that looked so beautiful in the outdoor light....sooo many! I was like "oo! look at that one! ooo! look at thatone!!!" but? they were usually pics of the muddy play time but were seductive---but not showing that I plowed myself. I had already used up what i needed to show off the slow progression of messy...and all...i couldnt use them. They were so bad ass! sultry, artistic shots. I had to go in my brain to "mass appeal" I may just start doing my vids in "full 4k" and splitting them. I wouldnt mind to do that and even have less shots per part. l feel like if we do less thumbnails on a 10 min or less video and more on a 20 min plus video? it will equal out. but? i also dont know how to run a site....especially the umd! hell, i have trouble running my own site! lol and umd is a no brainer! im just without brains. sans brains. hahah!
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Jayce said: the problem i have is? I go to pick out pics, right? Obviously if im putting up a video with "tales of public penetration and mud" then? I need to show where im in public, in the mud, creating my own mud pit with my body, making sure there are plenty of shots of me nude so they dont get the wrong idea with me having a bikini on, making sure I have the pics of the "playtime" with myself and making sure there are enough to show that "yes, i did do this for longer than 2 mins" then? there is trying to show the ending result.
As long as all the detail is in the description, you only need one shot each for each of those items. In particular, one clear full-nude shot is all that's needed to prove it was nude, putting more than that just encourages folk to grab all the freebies and fap to those instead of actually buying the scene. Instead of giving away pics, put the details clearly in the description. I know MM doesn't allow many formatting options (I really wish we could use (ul)(li)(/ul) bullet point lists), but blank lines to separate paragraphs work, so include a line like this:
Timings: Clothed to 4 minutes. Full nude from 5:30 to end of main scene. Playing and toys from 10 minutes till 21 minutes.
And if there's a wash-off part split that off into a separate video so that when UMD gives the length of the files, the first one is just the muddy part - so if it's 25 minutes long, then in combination with the line above people know there's 19 minutes of full nude in the scene, 11 minutes of which involves playing and toys. Then you only need one pic full nude, and one more nude with toys, to convey the full information.
Jayce said: My problem was? I found so many awesome shots that my camera man worked really hard to get that looked so beautiful in the outdoor light....sooo many! I was like "oo! look at that one! ooo! look at thatone!!!" but? they were usually pics of the muddy play time but were seductive---but not showing that I plowed myself. I had already used up what i needed to show off the slow progression of messy...and all...i couldnt use them. They were so bad ass! sultry, artistic shots. I had to go in my brain to "mass appeal"
What I've taken to doing lately is rather than going through the entire scene's worth of photos from the start, I go hunting for shots that show specific things I want to include in the promo. So I'll still do the dry and clean shots first, but then hop to the end and pick one to show how totally messy everyone got. Then go back up and down through the set looking for specific sections of the shoot I want to include, perhaps the moment of a cake sitting, then one showing one person having custard poured into her hair, then back up nearer the start where someone took her boots off to reveal bare feet, and so on.
Obvs we all have our own styles, and I've always included a fair number of previews partly so people know whjat they're getting and partly to give something back from the years when I couldn't afford to buy, but I'd still be wary of giving away *too* much free content
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