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The Vocal Wammers
By Messmaster
Posted 11/25/09     2392 views
No discussion has been more recurrent here at UMD than the one over innocent / clothed wam, vs nude / hardcore wam. It's a debate that will likely go on for as long as there is a community that merges content of both types in one place. I am not going to go into the debate itself right now, but I've been thinking about how imbalanced the proponents of both sides are in how often they express their views.

If you were to only read the forum over the years, you could well come to the conclusion that the majority of users prefer fully-clothed wam. You'd think that most of us are actually turned off by any type of nudity, and are disgusted when we see spread legs, hardcore sex, or any male actor in the scene, even if he's only the prop through which we are meant to live the scene vicariously. Not only are these clothed-wam aficionados vocal about their preference, a lot of them have suggested over the years that I amend the "acceptable content" portion of the Terms of Service to make the entire UMD ban nudity and sex, or at least reorganize the forums or enforce labeling rules so that they can avoid even seeing any of it by mistake. I've been asked many times to create a filter on the entire site which will prevent any of this raunchy stuff from appearing in the site listings, forums, or photos, or advertisements.

But if you get a look behind the scenes, you see a significantly different story. Running a site like this, I've always gotten to see what people are actually doing. I see what pictures they're viewing, what videos they're watching, what sites they're visiting, what ads they're clicking, what pay sites they're joining, and recently, what downloads they're purchasing. I've gone to great lengths to share this information with everybody in the community, and now you can see for yourself, as I always have, that what people do around the site is at odds with what the vocal majority usually projects.

Everybody can check-off all the preferences that they like in their profile settings, and the UMD counts them all up and makes a bar graph here. You'll notice that "nudity" is above "fully-clothed." Twice as many people, in fact, have selected "nudity" as have selected "fully-clothed" as one of their preferences. Read the forums, and it seems like there are way more full-clothing lovers, but this bar graph says otherwise.

Take a look at site-wide user searches. UMD remembers everybody's searches and adds up the most popular ones here. Here again, people are doing specific searches for "messy sex" more than "fullyclothed." To be fair, searches for "nudity" trail searches for "fullyclothed" but only by a couple of points (this may fluctuate by the time you read this).

Looking at the downloads store, the top sellers have nudity and sex. Mud Pool Sex has been an outrageous seller, even though it's the highest-priced item on the store at $21.00. Well-done clothed scenes also do very well, especially the ones where the models wear nice clothing, and the ones that bring back nostalgia of classic wam like the entries by Haley. But sales of the xxx stuff seems to dwarf them, seemingly regardless of price.

Running the UMD's advertising system, I see what ads get clicked. Here, it's a different story, as ads that show models that are fully clothed get clicked the most. The better and more expensive the clothes, the better the click-through ratio. But also, the very most raunchy ads also get very high clicks. In fact, there was controversy not too long back, where some people were offended at how far one of the ads went, and asked me to take it down. I made the decision to leave it up, as it barely squeaked within the boundaries of what I want this site to accept, but it was within the boundaries nonetheless, in my opinion. Despite the very vocal outcry from UMD members on the forums and privately, this ad was one of the most highly-clicked that we've ever run. Go figure.

In the first couple of years that this site existed, the debate over nude vs non-nude was already alive and well. So much so that I built a whole separate UMD called "UMD Filtered" that only contained completely PG-rated links. I knew for sure that people demanding a site free of any hardcore material or nakedness would flock to that site. They didn't. It was a waste of time trying to maintain both sites, so I dropped the filtered version. As I learned php (a programming language that makes web sites dynamic), I was able to integrate preferences into the site that allowed people to filter all nudity from every aspect of the site. Despite the irony that people wanted an adult content filter on an adult site, I took the time to build this feature. It was complex and involved changes to every corner of code on the site. But nobody even used it.

Some people wonder why adult sites with wam, and wam sites featuring nudity and hardcore sex are popping up so often. A lot of people consider this content to be not wam at all, and think these sites are getting it all wrong, and should leave the niche to be catered to only by "real" wam producers who make "tasteful" scenes with full clothing. But obviously the sites are supplying a demand that must exist, or else they would dry up and go away, right? People are joining these sites, purchasing these downloads, and eating this raunchy content up, daily. Looking at the availability of this stuff on the market speaks volumes without even looking at all the stats, searches, and user prefs graphs.

So what gives? I'd still say that about an equal number of people here enjoy innocent wam as nude wam. But nude wammers just go about about their day and enjoy the content that they find and like. They never complain about too much clothing. They don't revolt when they see advertisements that don't show explicit sex and bare boobs.

I have a theory that for some of us, wam is a fetish, and for others it's a novelty or preference. A true fetishist is more serious about all of this than another person, who may love it but isn't quite obsessed over it. I think that more clothed wammers actually have the fetish. Others may get turned on by it or enjoy watching it but they don't claim ownership over it and get protective over it like the real fetishists do.

Another theory that I've had is that a lot of people who like clothed wam are secretly ashamed that they even have a fetish in the first place. They exclaim their disgust of nudity and sex more as a self-affirmation that they themselves are not perverted, than out of genuine disregard for that side of our fetish. But if you like sex with your wam, there is really nothing you can do to justify it. You just enjoy it and avoid bringing a whole lot of attention to yourself. Just a theory; What do you think?

Perhaps I'm missing something in all of this analysis, so I hope some of you comment and add your 2 cents!
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Comments:
wamgal:
11/30/09
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There is one potential flaw in your analysis. Let me see if I can explain it.

The chart of preferences does indicate that there are 646 users that have set "nudity" as their preference.

As you point out "fully clothed" has but 319. But is that the end of the story?

Not necessarily so.

Skirts and dresses has 214
Clothes filling has 212
Lingerie 196
Business Suits 165
Formal Wear 153
Cross Dressing 152
Dresses 143
Tights / Pantyhose 141
Bikinis / swimwear 41
Along with a number of others in the 20s that all imply wearing clothing.

They add up to around 1800 "preferences" for the person being clothed.

Of course there are duplicates because most folks have more than one preference and it is due to that fact that, in my opinion, looking at those numbers are meaningless. Remember, numbers themselves do not lie - it is only when we attempt to analyize numbers that we can.
Messmaster:
12/3/09
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@wamgal: I view most of those categories that you mentioned to be subsets of "Fully Clothed." For example, if you checked off "Business Suits" as a preference, then you also probably checked off "Fully Clothed." Therefore, one cannot really add their numbers together to arrive at the conclusion that more people like full clothing than nude.

I mean, if I was to add another 20 categories that had to do with some sort of clothing, and people checked them off too, could we then add up all those numbers and claim them for the "Fully Clothed" tally as well?

Nudity is only one category and doesn't have the numerous variations that clothing preferences do. Even if it did (for example, partial nudity), then we might just as well claim some of the categories that you mentioned (like Lingerie) on the side of nudity. It can all get nebulous, and that's why I only compared "Nude" to "Fully-Clothed." I believe them to be equally high-level preferences which are polar opposites to one another. They clearly show the dichotomy between those who prefer these two extremes, which was the whole point of this article. Combined with all the other corroborating (if not very scientific) statistics, it's pretty clear that category preference analysis is indeed pretty accurate.
Loch_Ness:
12/3/09
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I thought this was a very interesting blog entry. I think it's very true that the most vocal people aren't always really the majority.

My 2 cents on this, though, is an observation that clothed WAM is only WAM. It would tend to have a WAM audience only.

Naked, raunchy WAM, though, has a WAM audience plus it brings in the naked raunchy fans. I suspect there are many non-WAM folks who cruise this site regularly for the explicit content and they're adding to the clicks.

It is true that the naked raunchy stuff that you get here tends to be wetter and slimier than naked raunch acquired elsewhere...but I doubt that it's a deal-killer.

I think you're doing fine. I wouldn't take advantage of a filtered UMD anyway. Although my fetish answers to the clothed side of things, I believe in being fully informed on all aspects of my online environments. It is not necessary to open every thread here but I do think that I should be aware of what is here.

Filters keep people ignorant.

Nessie
Pooldancer:
12/9/09
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Separating "clothed" from "nude" WAM is not a true picture of my personal preference in subject matter. I beleive that fully clothed wet (or messy) scenes are only the beginning (foreplay) of a complete sexual encounter. In my fantasy the actors use the wet and/or messy clothing to excite each other which leads to the removal of each others clothing (at least as much as necessary) so they can enjoy the resulting sexual experience. Like you, I sometimes wonder if those who profess to be "clothes only" are secretely ashamed that they would actually enjoy seeing the wet and/or messy clothing removed so the actors can enjoy the resulting sex, or are simply afraid of getting caught with "porn". I beleive that "WAM" is sexual , and that anyone who denies that reality is not being truthfull, possibly even to themselves. I have enjoyed wetlook most of my adult life, and have seen the subject grow and change over the years. I am in a position now that I support those producers that not only recognise the sexuality of wetlook (or messy), but produce scenes that depict the sexual result of arousal while seeing a fully clothed woman in her soaking wet clothing. For me, nude WAM is not the beginning, but rather the end of a clothed WAM experience.
testdriver18:
11/17/11
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I realize that this is now a very old post , but I think quite a few people on UMD know that my personal prefence is explicit nudity (eventually)
and it's also my belief that with arrival of the likes of Tara (for example) wam is heading in a harder direction.
She was top of the downloads with her last vid and is so again with the wambulance. Somebody is buying and it sure as shit ain't the fans of clothed wam ! Thanks for your efforts in keeping umd open to nudity
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