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"To define a pie."
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I've noticed a wide range of definitions for a "pie" here on the forum. In the interest of clarity, I thought it might be interesting to ask people what qualifies as a "pie" to them. I looked at the first twenty forum posts that contain some form of the word "pie" and accompanying photos, and I found that only six of those posts contained what I would define as a "pie."
Here's my attempt to define "pie":
Definition: A pie is a pastry shell containing filling, such as meat, fruit, custard, or whipped cream. When I see "pie" on a forum post title, I assume--fairly, I believe--that I am going to see a cream pie or custard pie. A pie is not a cake; a pie must always have a crust; a pie must be edible.
Of the other 14 forum posts, most "pies" were actually inedible foam on a paper plate, and that's fine. There are plenty of people on the forums here who groove on foam, and I myself do enjoy the classic "clown pie". I just get a little disappointed when I click on a post labeled "pie" and I don't see any pies as I've defined them. I even noticed that two of the six forums posters who used real pies actually wrote "real pies" in their title, which indicates that some other people feel the same way I do.
Here's my attempt to define "pie":
Definition: A pie is a pastry shell containing filling, such as meat, fruit, custard, or whipped cream. When I see "pie" on a forum post title, I assume--fairly, I believe--that I am going to see a cream pie or custard pie. A pie is not a cake; a pie must always have a crust; a pie must be edible.
Of the other 14 forum posts, most "pies" were actually inedible foam on a paper plate, and that's fine. There are plenty of people on the forums here who groove on foam, and I myself do enjoy the classic "clown pie". I just get a little disappointed when I click on a post labeled "pie" and I don't see any pies as I've defined them. I even noticed that two of the six forums posters who used real pies actually wrote "real pies" in their title, which indicates that some other people feel the same way I do.
I can see your dilemma, I think the issue is the "a pie must always have a crust; a pie must be edible".
"Must"
It's resolute. Black and white. No wiggle room.
I think foam on plates are called pies because that is what they most closely resemble. Yes, they are not in the strictest sense pies, as with mud pies, but it's a close metaphor and understandable.
If you can come up with an alternative or better name then great, but they have been called pies for so long (at least the 1930's I think) so I doubt folks will change. Maybe you are right with posters putting up a filling/type in the title just to clarify.
Personally, it doesn't affect me. I have personal favourites but to see something different just means I go "oh well" and click the back button. I mean, even if they were the 'right' type, the scene might do nothing for me anyway, again "oh well" and back button.
"Must"
It's resolute. Black and white. No wiggle room.
I think foam on plates are called pies because that is what they most closely resemble. Yes, they are not in the strictest sense pies, as with mud pies, but it's a close metaphor and understandable.
If you can come up with an alternative or better name then great, but they have been called pies for so long (at least the 1930's I think) so I doubt folks will change. Maybe you are right with posters putting up a filling/type in the title just to clarify.
Personally, it doesn't affect me. I have personal favourites but to see something different just means I go "oh well" and click the back button. I mean, even if they were the 'right' type, the scene might do nothing for me anyway, again "oh well" and back button.
For about 10 years or so, I definitely used shaving cream in some of my pies.... although they were usually better than "foam on a paper plate." Shaving cream whipped to look like real cream, in a real crust, sometimes with real pudding as well, DOES look and behave much like a real pie.... especially in the days of standard-def.
That said, ALL the scenes I've done for the last 5 years or so (with a couple exceptions) use only real pies now. The materials and consistency change (some in baked crusts, some in premade graham cracker crusts, some with different pudding fillings, etc) but all of them are completely edible.... as evidenced by the models occasionally licking or nibbling the contents of their face.
I confess, I don't put the word "pie" into most of my forum posts though. We're limited by space and by now most people know a SlapstickStuff scene will have pies in it. I would suggest that IF you prefer real pies in your scenes, you should support the producers doing that.... ideally by buying scenes, but liking or commenting on posts is an easy (and free) alternative.
That said, ALL the scenes I've done for the last 5 years or so (with a couple exceptions) use only real pies now. The materials and consistency change (some in baked crusts, some in premade graham cracker crusts, some with different pudding fillings, etc) but all of them are completely edible.... as evidenced by the models occasionally licking or nibbling the contents of their face.
I confess, I don't put the word "pie" into most of my forum posts though. We're limited by space and by now most people know a SlapstickStuff scene will have pies in it. I would suggest that IF you prefer real pies in your scenes, you should support the producers doing that.... ideally by buying scenes, but liking or commenting on posts is an easy (and free) alternative.
I've spoken to people (outside WAM) with a different definition of pie:
* It must be covered in pastry on the sides and bottom, and at least 50% of the top.
* The top must be distinct from the rest.
By that definition, a pork pie is a real pie, but a sausage roll isn't. Shepherd's pie isn't either, because it uses mashed potato rather than pastry.
The 50% rule is intended to handle a lattice effect. However, if there's nothing on top then it's a quiche or a flan rather than a pie.
The main point of contention was the food you get in pubs/canteens where there's a big metal baking tray and pastry on top, but the filling is resting against the metal tray on the bottom/sides; that would count as some kind of upside-down flan!
That definition is impractical for our purposes here, because the pastry on top would get in the way. However, does that mean that we should stop using the word "pie" altogether? I think it's reasonable to say that the word has a different meaning in this context, which can therefore include non-edible stuff (e.g. shaving foam).
That said, UK people have probably heard of "the phantom flan flinger" (TV character), and I've heard people say "I got flanned" as an alternative to "I got pied". That typically involves shaving foam and paper plates.
* It must be covered in pastry on the sides and bottom, and at least 50% of the top.
* The top must be distinct from the rest.
By that definition, a pork pie is a real pie, but a sausage roll isn't. Shepherd's pie isn't either, because it uses mashed potato rather than pastry.
The 50% rule is intended to handle a lattice effect. However, if there's nothing on top then it's a quiche or a flan rather than a pie.
The main point of contention was the food you get in pubs/canteens where there's a big metal baking tray and pastry on top, but the filling is resting against the metal tray on the bottom/sides; that would count as some kind of upside-down flan!
That definition is impractical for our purposes here, because the pastry on top would get in the way. However, does that mean that we should stop using the word "pie" altogether? I think it's reasonable to say that the word has a different meaning in this context, which can therefore include non-edible stuff (e.g. shaving foam).
That said, UK people have probably heard of "the phantom flan flinger" (TV character), and I've heard people say "I got flanned" as an alternative to "I got pied". That typically involves shaving foam and paper plates.
"pie" has different meanings to me, depending on context. In general day-to-day life, a pie is what you described. A baked pastry based dish filled with various fillings (meat or fruit usually) and eaten. (With the exception being a shepherd's pie).
In the wam sense, a pie is pretty much anything creamy or sticky that can be smooshed into someone's face. sometimes the two meanings can overlap.
In the wam sense, a pie is pretty much anything creamy or sticky that can be smooshed into someone's face. sometimes the two meanings can overlap.
I really like the graham cracker crust, then pudding, then shaving cream on top. It splatters nicely. it has a lot of mass to it so it gets good coverage and it falls down their face or whatever very nicely while still clinging a bit.
The shaving cream is simply for cost savings. If whipped topping was as cheap to procure and didn't require refrigeration, we would use that instead of shaving cream.
The shaving cream is simply for cost savings. If whipped topping was as cheap to procure and didn't require refrigeration, we would use that instead of shaving cream.
There are so many variations that no single description can be used to include everything that is a pie, and exclude everything that is no a pie. Therefore, I will quote Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart from Jacobellis v. Ohio.
"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it"
"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it"
Dr. of Splatterology
flank said:
The main point of contention was the food you get in pubs/canteens where there's a big metal baking tray and pastry on top, but the filling is resting against the metal tray on the bottom/sides; that would count as some kind of upside-down flan!
The main point of contention was the food you get in pubs/canteens where there's a big metal baking tray and pastry on top, but the filling is resting against the metal tray on the bottom/sides; that would count as some kind of upside-down flan!
That's Stew, with a hat!!
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Lord of the Pies
PieMeMistress said:
That's Stew, with a hat!!
flank said:
The main point of contention was the food you get in pubs/canteens where there's a big metal baking tray and pastry on top, but the filling is resting against the metal tray on the bottom/sides; that would count as some kind of upside-down flan!
The main point of contention was the food you get in pubs/canteens where there's a big metal baking tray and pastry on top, but the filling is resting against the metal tray on the bottom/sides; that would count as some kind of upside-down flan!
That's Stew, with a hat!!
Aha, those things. And then the horrors you sometimes get in pubs which they claim are pies but are actually mini casserole dishes with pie filling and a puff pastry lid. They are not pies, they are CERAMIC ABOMINATIONS! And all who serve such vileness should be made to pay extra taxes. The best bit of an eating pie is the pastry round the sides and bottom, denying that to hungry diners is a crime against catering.
Having said all that, in a WAM context, there are basically six main types of "pies", none of which contain meat or gravy:
1. Custard or pudding, optionally topped with squirty cream, on a pie crust base.
2. Custard or pudding, optionally topped with squirty cream, on a sponge flan base.
3. Custard or pudding, optionally topped with squirty cream, on a paper plate or bowl.
4. Shaving foam on a pie crust base.
5. Shaving foam on a sponge flan base.
6. Shaving foam on a paper plate or bowl.
All six have their fans, and their detractors. All are commonly referred to as pies, and it's unlikely that's going to change.
Of course "pie" can also be a verb. If you use your hand to throw or smush any kind of messy item into someone's face or elsewhere on their clothes or body, you can be said to have "pied" them, regardless of whether the thing you used was an actual pie, or a paper bowl full of melted chocolate, or a gateaux, or indeed a sausage roll, though I'm with RobbyWLP on not fancying that option!
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I don't like the look of shaving cream pies at all. Does nothing for me. With that said, even in my own messings at home, I never use the crusts of pie shells. I just like the messy contents and I like rubbing it all around. I don't want crust and crumbs and stuff in my hair or down the drain. Plus, on the rare occasions my wife and I have messy sex, I wouldn't want crumbs getting inside her somehow. Just a phobia of mine I guess. But I LOVE the look of the pies with the crusts when I'm watching and lurking here.
With all that said, my pies are just pudding and colored Cool Whip on a paper plate.
With all that said, my pies are just pudding and colored Cool Whip on a paper plate.
DungeonMasterOne said:
Aha, those things. And then the horrors you sometimes get in pubs which they claim are pies but are actually mini casserole dishes with pie filling and a puff pastry lid. They are not pies, they are CERAMIC ABOMINATIONS! And all who serve such vileness should be made to pay extra taxes. The best bit of an eating pie is the pastry round the sides and bottom, denying that to hungry diners is a crime against catering.
Having said all that, in a WAM context, there are basically six main types of "pies", none of which contain meat or gravy:
1. Custard or pudding, optionally topped with squirty cream, on a pie crust base.
2. Custard or pudding, optionally topped with squirty cream, on a sponge flan base.
3. Custard or pudding, optionally topped with squirty cream, on a paper plate or bowl.
4. Shaving foam on a pie crust base.
5. Shaving foam on a sponge flan base.
6. Shaving foam on a paper plate or bowl.
All six have their fans, and their detractors. All are commonly referred to as pies, and it's unlikely that's going to change.
Of course "pie" can also be a verb. If you use your hand to throw or smush any kind of messy item into someone's face or elsewhere on their clothes or body, you can be said to have "pied" them, regardless of whether the thing you used was an actual pie, or a paper bowl full of melted chocolate, or a gateaux, or indeed a sausage roll, though I'm with RobbyWLP on not fancying that option!
PieMeMistress said:
That's Stew, with a hat!!
flank said:
The main point of contention was the food you get in pubs/canteens where there's a big metal baking tray and pastry on top, but the filling is resting against the metal tray on the bottom/sides; that would count as some kind of upside-down flan!
The main point of contention was the food you get in pubs/canteens where there's a big metal baking tray and pastry on top, but the filling is resting against the metal tray on the bottom/sides; that would count as some kind of upside-down flan!
That's Stew, with a hat!!
Aha, those things. And then the horrors you sometimes get in pubs which they claim are pies but are actually mini casserole dishes with pie filling and a puff pastry lid. They are not pies, they are CERAMIC ABOMINATIONS! And all who serve such vileness should be made to pay extra taxes. The best bit of an eating pie is the pastry round the sides and bottom, denying that to hungry diners is a crime against catering.
Having said all that, in a WAM context, there are basically six main types of "pies", none of which contain meat or gravy:
1. Custard or pudding, optionally topped with squirty cream, on a pie crust base.
2. Custard or pudding, optionally topped with squirty cream, on a sponge flan base.
3. Custard or pudding, optionally topped with squirty cream, on a paper plate or bowl.
4. Shaving foam on a pie crust base.
5. Shaving foam on a sponge flan base.
6. Shaving foam on a paper plate or bowl.
All six have their fans, and their detractors. All are commonly referred to as pies, and it's unlikely that's going to change.
Of course "pie" can also be a verb. If you use your hand to throw or smush any kind of messy item into someone's face or elsewhere on their clothes or body, you can be said to have "pied" them, regardless of whether the thing you used was an actual pie, or a paper bowl full of melted chocolate, or a gateaux, or indeed a sausage roll, though I'm with RobbyWLP on not fancying that option!
This is definitely a British list, because Americans never use "custard" in a pie (I'm sure it's available for sale somewhere, I've just never seen it in a store). But we use "whipped cream" or "Cool Whip" all the time! And that's different from "squirty cream."
Also, I don't think the sponge flan cases are easily found here, that's another British thing.
95% of the time if my clip says "pie to the face" it implies that a crusted pie with aluminum pie tin has been used. On some occasions its just a pie tin with filling and no crust but those are few and far between. On that note I'm mostly known as "the cake porn guy" so pie content only fills a few minutes of my clips which are on average 20-30 min long and mostly begin with cake sitting/destruction and then fill up with all kinds of other mess
I'm with DungeonMasterOne on his "option 4" but lately I've been experimenting with more whipped cream pies and Marie Calendar pies (e.g in the Ava Molly pt 1 video) and they've been turning out fantastic results!
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