I mean, vaginas are slimy, lube is slimy. IS our fetish really that different to what people who do not have this or another fetish like?

By the nature and definition of the word, all fetishes are "weird". It's deriving sexual pleasure from something other than the sexual "normal". It is "unusual", doesn't fit into the mathematical median, not at the top of the bell curve.

But if you're asking about how it's perceived as to say BDSM, I think it is treated as weirder. I think that's because you can look at dominance and submission in particular and see that in the stereotypical "norm" of the sexes. Granted you have female doms, and male subs. But themes of dominance and submission are seen in many more aspects of life than...well playing in goo.

But we certainly have one of the most joyous and harmless fetishes, right up there with the balloon people! I remember Maria doing a session with someone a few years back who incased themselves in a big messy balloon with his head sticking out the top! THAT looked like it was so much fun!

Obviously it'a subjective question. But if you ask me, even though I'm into it, I'd say it's pretty out there. There are way weirder ones too, but WAM isn't that tame either!

Well for me I don't want a Vagina regardless of it its slimey or lubed. This 'Fetish' is so much more complex and exciting than that !

So....

About 63% of the adult population has some kind of sexual kink/fetish. (I can source that number for you but I would have to kill you. Or make you watch Jayce try to pronounce the word "cacophony". Either one would make you uncomfortable.)

By defintion that makes those WITHOUT one LESS "normal."

Even before the internet if you told someone you mixed food and sex they most likely respond with "so?" And then they would want to know why you told them because NOW they can't get that visual out of their heads.

The WAM kink/fetish are all variations on a theme. Some simply like the tactile feeling of either clothed or nude, some like costumes, some like self wamming, some only like it when there's role play involved. Some insist on going to Taco Bell. (That has nothing to do with WAM, I just want to see if Jayce is paying attention).

Bottom line, every kink/fetish is "weird" if you don't understand or relate to it.

I have been told repeatedly over the years that even the XXX versions of WAM i.e...blows jobs while getting pied or slimed is "tame." Different, but tame.

That being said, personally I think you are ALL weird.

How far out its seen as will depend on the type of WAM.

There's a world of difference between say wanting to shampoo your partners hair with proper shampoo, in the shower, while she's wearing a swimsuit (or he's wearing swim shorts) and Human Garbage Disposal. Both are WAM though.

Weird in the world in general? Probably (along with every other fetish), although weirdly sex itself is a taboo enough topic, especially in the US. Weird in the world of fetishes? Probably not.

Also a lot of people have tried some food stuff in the bedroom (choc sauce or whipped cream), and mud wrestling is something that everyone knows of.

But most people don't fully cover themselves in lube, or are turned on specifically by using/applying lube.
Yeah, we are probably one of the weirder fetishes but nowhere near as strange as they can get. We're also in the blessed position where our kink is a tonne of fun in it's own right; as in it's also very enjoyable without the sex, or people (such as my partner) enjoy the experience even though it isn't a turn on for them.

I used to think so, but that was just my guilty conscience doing its thing. In fact, it was my wife who first put it into perspective for me. Coming from Thailand she's heard about...well...all of the things you'd expect her to have heard about from her friends who wound up in the well-known sex tourism spots. When she convinced me to let her in on "my thing", she was afraid it was going to involve bodily harm or bodily fluids, so when I asked her to let me put a few pies in her face she was legit relieved lol. And now that I've been around a bit more I see it for the tame kink that it is.

I've always seen birth as the ultimate wam experience of being alive and breathing and human

The short answer, in my opinion, is yes it's a little bit weird (but so what).

Compared to the likes of bondage, which TBH even your mum has probably tried at this point, it's weird.

I think when you mention food and sex, most people would assume you mean dipping a strawberry into a cream filled belly button, not covering someone head to toe in chocolate and cake.

There are definitely weirder fetishes, but then that's just my perspective. To me, I don't understand the appeal of feet, yet it's one of the most common fetishes out there.

To someone else, what we do is completely perplexing, but to us it isn't.

I'd say it depends, many people will have licked cream/trifle etc off someone as part of foreplay or sex, or had it done to them, same with having a shower or bath. I've done both with someone who, in a casual conversation whilst watching someone get pied in the face on TV, 'exclaimed that if anyone did that to them she would break their nose.'
When you get to the extreme stuff like gross smelling gunge or human garbage disposal it would definitely be considered weird, although I guess even the more basic stuff like getting dressed up to the nines, to have a pie in the face or gunge poured over them would be considered weird, I suspect that for every Lisa Moomin or MewMew that have embraced their partners fetish, there would be hundreds who told them to fuck off.
I remember seeing a South American soap opera where a woman is expecting a guy to kiss her, and he puts a pie in her face, she reacts badly, hitting him, then he grabs her and kisses her passionately, and she forgives him and responds by kissing him back. Probably wishful thinking on the writers behalf, but we can hope there are unicorns out there for all of us

In the grand scope of things, I think it's pretty innocent compared to other things, but I guess I get where people would think it was weird...but then again, if I asked someone who said WAM was weird what their fetish was, I'd think their fetish was weird.

I'd imagine it's widely seen as silly and childlike rather than gross or weird. It's the sort of fetish that would make people laugh rather than creep them out. I'm comfortable with that reaction myself.

WAM IS NOT WEIRD.

to me...at all. sexually or wherever.

to me? when it gets STRANGE are the sub genres of it and there are literally too many to count.


like, some sub genres ive done arent even like, a real "genre" its just something someone made up to appeal to their "non wam kink" and added wam to it....to make something that is actually REALLY OUT THERE.....seem more harmless. do you see what I mean? fuck. I wish I could give you an example....but I dont want anyone on here Ive done a custom for to read it and think im dogging on them. IM NOT!!! at ALL!! I just find it to be much more "strange" than wam.
but im an equal opportunity fetishist. I will try anything once! most anything....yeah pretty much anything once.

but wam in itself? like the actual definition of wam? no. matter of fact I find it becoming more and more mainstream.
its sub/dom, its bdsm, its all that shit mixed into a big rhetorical "soup" of mess....
messy scenarios have ALL of these aspects in them. the pie fights, the sex, humiliation ?It has to have a sub....for it to BE humiliation....someone is dominating that person with mess to be humiliated by it. On or off camera.
so? no. I dont find it strange in itself.
at all.
a lot of people i know? Dont find it strange either until I bring up messy sex or the giant messes I have bragged about.
they cannot understand how I can be in a pool of mess and get myself off multiple times.....or WHAT I GO THROUGH TO GET TO THE MUD. no one can understand why I put myself through that. (its an insane hike and then scaling a literal mud wall about 20/30 feet at some points, down, into a creek....) i have to explain "its the best mud! "
they ask "why do you need the 'best mud' mud is mud!" Then they send me pics of a field where they found me "mud" and its literally a bunch of wet dirt on ground that was a construction site or something. nothing sinkable. Which CAN BE FUN, YES! BUUUUT noooooooo. (they think they will get paid for finding me that spot, lol)
I tell them "okay, get your pineapple in a can....
pineapple is pineapple! "
gross

Really who is the judge and the jury to say what's weird and what's not.
What's weird to me or people that go through their whole entire lives doing nothing but having straight sex in the missionary position.
If that's your thing then, that's your thing.
I've just always been an exploratory kind of person.
Once upon a time I was deeply ashamed of my fetish because it wasn't anything that I thought people around me could understand.
I didn't understand my fetish myself and why I am the way that I am.
I was ashamed because I was comparing myself to other people and not focusing on how unique I was as a person.
Pie Face Mike appearing on the Jenny Jones show changed all of that for me.
I also had correspondence with a very nice dominatrix in the late '80s to early nineties and she explained a few things to me.
Quoting Sigmund Freud... Sexual preferences are established at a very young age before we even have conscious thought. Something in our environment and interactions affect the brain and mold what we find sexually appealing through those stimuli.
My dom friend told me to ask my mother about things and circumstances when I was a baby.
She told me to not bring up anything about my sexuality but to be very vague and just ask random questions.
Long story short here, I'm just going to cut to the chase....
I found out that I was a Messy eater. I like to play in my food and I would actually throw things at my mother.
My mother told me she got so sick and tired of getting messy and having to wash her clothes and wash my clothes and clean up every time she had to feed me, that she took to wearing a black rubber raincoat and feeding me naked.
She also took to getting revenge on me every time I threw food at her.
She told me she would take what I was eating and throw it in my face and there were a few times that she even pushed my face down into my plate of food.
She said I never cried, that I actually laughed and enjoyed it.
When we were done she would pick me up and carry me to the shower and just hold me wow she showered all of the food off of us.
So she was bathing me in her arms wearing a rubber raincoat.
That way when she was done she just hung up her rubber raincoat and her clothes were still clean and dry.
Well let me tell you after I heard that story all the pieces fell into place.
Also at a young age my father liked a musician called Herb Alpert. He had a record called, "Whipped Cream and Other Delights".
The cover was a picture of a beautiful Olive skinned woman sitting in a mound of whipped cream with a dollop on her head.
That picture intrigued and excited me even before I was close to puberty or even knew anything about sex.
I was also very stimulated whenever I saw a pie in the face on TV.
It used to really bug me because I was embarrassed for the person getting pied but at the same time it excited something in me I couldn't explain.
I knew something was going on with me because of the feelings I had when I saw Donny Osmond get thrown into a giant cream pie by his brothers on the Donnie and Marie Show.
What cemented everything for me happened when I was 10 years old and watched the movie "The Great Race".
When I saw Natalie Wood getting hit with all those pies I got an erection.
I hadn't even hit puberty yet but I swear to you it happened.
And bless my heart I feel sorry for myself because I didn't understand what was happening with me.
I would get boners in elementary school whenever the girls were wearing their shiny PVC raincoats.... And I was only in fourth grade.
I was also compelled to touch those raincoats.
When the girls hung them up and our little lockers and cubby hole places that we had back then, I couldn't help but touch them and smell them. I so badly wanted to put them on and wear them, but even then at that young age I knew that would not be acceptable.
I really miss all those beautiful PVC raincoats that came out in the late seventies and through the '80s.
"Lot One Of Boston" made some really nice shiny PVC raincoats. Very rubbery and very squelchy every time you moved wearing one.
I have closets full of those old raincoats now because I went to thrift stores and snatched up everyone that I could find in the early nineties.
I'm kind of glad I did because I'm sitting on a gold mine.
When I was buying them I probably paid $2 a raincoat.
If you look those things up online and on eBay they go from anywhere from 40 to $80!
I also snatched up a lot of Ken Sporns "WHIPPETTE" collection.
I was really excited when "Lip Service" started making vinyl clothing and I bought a lot of that stuff but it doesn't stand the test of time it deteriorates very quickly.
Oh my goodness I got off topic... Sorry for that.
I started writing a book and not a post.
Back to topic.
Really who's to say what's weird what's not.
As long as you aren't hurting someone else with your particular sexual fetish, I don't see anything wrong with it.
I might lose some friends here saying what I'm about to say but it's how I feel.
What adults do behind closed doors is their own business.
Do not push your sexuality on children.
I don't care what you're into, children do not need to be exposed to any of that until it's time.
If a child comes to you with questions, be honest but at the same time have the responsibility and understand that that is a developing mind.
Don't push your opinions and feelings on that innocent person.
Sexuality comes with age.
Children should not be brainwashed nor pushed into it.

We all have our kinks/fetishes/turn-ons/whatever you wanna call it. If it feels right for you, then there is no need to feel ashamed of it. It's just a part of who we are. You're among good people here, my friend.

WAM IS weird. But mostly harmless.

I'd say, WAM is "Different". But I'm weird.

Different is another good way to put it, weird in one's definition may not be weird in another's. It also depends on how far it goes, some things are not uncommon like water/amusement park random wetness. Or at some random water fight on a hot day and none of your friends really give a shit, and ECT.

Things get different when you enter the more messy side of things and is much more different/weird. Being whatever slimy mess, mud, oil, BDSM, fantasy, sex, you get the idea. Yeah those are the things that are definitely different compared to just being wet.

So I consider WAM split into two different groups in a way, at least IMO.

It's different. And based on my limited experience, pretty tough to get going IRL.

I think if you describe it to somebody they may think it is weird, but is really isn't when you think about it.

Wet T-shirt contests are a thing. So is mud wrestling. People like to watch oil shows on streaming sites. So I think there are people who like WAM, but just don't realize that they like it or they don't like it to the degree or extent as we do on here.

That was me!
https://umd.net/profile/i/goodcleanmud/section/videos/video/human-slime-balloon-fail

We were so close! The idea was to mix a huge batch of sticky slime inside the balloon, making me completely stuck inside a gooey elastic prison We added all the glue and were about to add the activator, then... POP!!!
Fortunately, we had a backup plan. After mixing all the spilled glue into slime, we piled Maria and the slime into an inflatable tub for a nice slime bath!

In retrospect, it would have been smart to incorporate activator along the way, but alas, maybe someday I will get to combine my fetishes for sticky/stuck, slime, and vacbeds!

I suppose, to get psychoanalytical, I'm just looking for connection and security. Having your feet stuck in industrial-strength glue or being inextricably mired in thick slime/mud - that's one way to scratch that need for connection (I'm chemically connected/bonded to the floor! Neck-deep in quicksand is literally connecting to the earth)... And sometimes we just want the secure feeling of being held, which can be dialed up to 11 by a latex vacbed tightly squeezing your every inch for an immobilizing (yet for me, relaxing and comforting) full-body hug!!

I wonder if most of our kinks have childhood origins that scratch itches connected to our basic needs? Why else would we go through the hassle of mixing up all that gunge/slime, spending so much money on food/pies/supplies, preparing our play space like Dexter, then enduring sometimes grueling cleanups, or even risking life & limb (and criminal records) in search for the best mud??? Why would be put ourselves through this unless it satisfies something deep and fundamental to ourselves?

Our fetishes aren't "weird." We're satisfying our basic needs, same as anybody; we just have more colors on our palette!

What is wrong with weird?
Seriously. If you believe weird is bad you are just allowing the majority to get away with stigmatising stuff.

Normality is the world's lowest security prison where everyone has voluntarily denied themselves everything they want and their own quirks just to fit in with everyone else that has also decided to be in that nice little prison. There are no guards or walls, you can step out of it at any moment if you choose and join all the weirdos that already freed themselves from it. And when you do you'll wonder why on Earth you didn't do it sooner.



Do you know what I find bizarre?
I find it bizarre living in a culture that is so repressed the majority of people are incapable of enjoying themselves without first having to consume alcohol to lower their inhibitions or have to rely on some other psychoactive substance.

I find it bizarre that the practice of two consenting adults coming together to mutually give each other pleasure is often surrounded by shame, stigma and to some considered more offensive than depictions of brutal violence.

I find it bizarre that given massive depths of the human erotic mind from which so many kinks and fetishes have sprung from that the majority of people don't look any further than superficial qualities such as height or cup size when judging erotic compatibility with a potential partner and then act surprised when the passion and sex life eventually disappears from their relationships.

But hey I'm in the minority on this shit so I'm weird and all that stuff is "normal" because it is the mainstream way of doing things.

Stop giving a shit about what is normal. If what you want isn't normal then trying to be normal means denying your desires. Normal is average. Normal is boring. Normal is denying what makes you exceptional. Normal is the reason the majority of people here are too scared to actually seek out what they want and go through shame cycles.

The sooner people all stop trying to be normal and instead look for others who are weird in the same way as them the better. The truth is most "normal" people are not really that happy anyway hence why things like drinking problems and unsatisfying relationships are considered "normal".



Weirdness and Kink Shaming
How weird is WAM compared to other fetishes and kinks? Not very, anyone thinking it is on the extremes of weirdness hasn't sat down and looked through a comprehensive fetish list.

Is WAM weird? Yes absolutely. But as I say there is nothing wrong with being weird. Frankly what I do find wrong is trying to pretend it isn't weird or trying to excuse it as normal. In doing so you are legitimising the idea "normality" is something to aspire to and that you are cowardly agreeing those who aren't normal should still be judged but you are trying to justify why you shouldn't be judged alongside them and idea perhaps even justifying your own reasons for judging or kink shaming other kinks you don't agree with. Every time I see someone posting something along the lines of "WAM isn't as bad/weird as," some other kink I get fed up with the hypocrisy of it - you don't want to be judged whilst happily judging others for the same reason.

Frankly it is traitorous to other kinky people that haven't done anything morally or ethically wrong that have had to deal with the same stigmatisation and shame you may have to turn round and legitimise it for them because you think they're a little weirder.

If people want to judge you for who you are and what you like as a person rather than on the moral value of the actions you undertake it is better to be unapologetic than to betray others like yourself.

It is better to be weird than to be boring.

If a well-known legal Nevada brothel advertises that they offer it, it can't be too obscure.

A huge amount of sense.

Everyone should read that post, absolutely nails it. https://umd.net/forums/is-wam-really-that-weird-in-the-world-of#postid_883107

Amen to that. In my non-wam experience, I have to encounter people who find it strange and occasionally threatening that I genuinely enjoy exhausting myself legging it as fast as possible for nothing more than personal glory or a medal and t-shirt (and sometimes even paying my hard earned cash to do so) and spending hours perfecting in minute detail the process of pressing keys on an instrument in a particular order. And those things aren't, to my current knowledge, even considered forms of sexual stimulation.

I take the thread question to be whether WAM is seen as 'out there' in the kink/fetish community, and in my experience, within kink spaces, almost everybody I've ever met has a reaction somewhere in between "Oh huh, that's neat" and "Oh wow, that's really interesting." That's not the same as "Oh my gosh, I'd like to try that." But it's not like "Wow, you're into something really extreme and strange." It's definitely a niche kink --- if you meet 100 people at kink events, I'd guess 90 of them have some kind of rope or bondage experience and *maybe* 2-3 have done specifically WAM type activities. But bear in mind that 20 have probably done some other random, wacky, offbeat-sounding things (or have ones they really want to try). So while WAM may not be their thing, they live and understand what it's like to be into something wacky and offbeat-sounding.

Obviously, within these communities, most people are pretty committed to not treating other people's kinks as being extreme and strange! (Like some people say: "Your fetish is not my fetish, but your fetish is okay.") But just in terms of logistics and complexity and barriers to entry WAM compares favorably to things that seem by their nature to require extra (extra) care in order to practice them safely, or extra supervision/oversight if you're doing them at a public event. It's not needle play, fireplay, breathplay, etc.

At the same time, because it's a mess and cleanup is a pain, play parties may still have rules that basically exclude WAM... not because of any prejudice against it, just because realistically it makes it hard to share the space with everybody. Again --- just my experience!

to a degree - every fetish is weird to the wrong person

but if you ask this as a question - does this mean there are other fetishes you find weird?

equally, is being "weird" a bad thing?

What can be confusing is how WAM is a fetish centered around activities that many people delight in publicly and platonically. Pies in the face, slimings, falling into pools fully dressed, etc. These things can be sexualized, certainly, but often, they're just seen as lighthearted fun which can be confusing or frustrating to someone like me who finds nothing more erotic or sexually gratifying than the "lighthearted fun" people are having without fear of reproach.

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder," is an expression that comes readily to my mind when the subject of fetishes comes up.