Real. All day.

The key is knowing it happened/involves real people and textures (this is why I still love the physical makeup and creature FX in movies vs. all CG), and also there's just an uncanny valley/not-quite-right aspect to AI at present.

AI continues to be just stiff enough, just awkward enough, just frozen-in-time enough, that I check out.

Someone posted a raft of them recently, and a few of them are very good -- but even those, my eye/brain judged differently. Even if they were not labeled synthetic, they look it.

So much of WAM is intention and results -- meaning, you pie someone, you slime them, you wade into the mud, etc. and what occurs from there, it's virtually impossible to get the kind of "perfect" results that AI generate.

There are crusts that don't completely break; splatters that miss someone's eye or mouth; the way mess sticks to hair; a mix of slimes/paints that result in unexpected new colors and looks; a weird texture that results from mixing, say, oatmeal and slime and treacle. And on and on.

AI cannot replicate nuance, it cannot replicate "accidents" happy and otherwise, it cannot replace true human reaction (e.g. where hands go, an opened or shut mouth or eyes, body language).

As some have said here, the day is coming when it WILL be able to do that stuff, and that will be interesting.

It's a really fascinating topic, though, because on the one hand, you can get EXACTLY what you're looking for -- better coverage than might occur in a TV WAM scene, sexier models than one might be able to afford, a more willing and predictable target to dump mess on. If you're looking for something really really specific that you've yet to see any producer recreate OR you just can't afford to pull off a scene like it as a custom or on your own... AI is there. Much like CG imagery in films and tv, it gives you something that is maybe even impossible to create in any other way. And it's closer to real than a painting or a drawing.

But...

It's those nuances, man. Those details. They are telling and it tends to make me react more negatively bc it just *feels* fake. Versus a real mess that I didn't particularly love, but I can appreciate that them's kind of the breaks when you set out to create mess -- it's there right in the term itself -- you never can predict exactly what will happen and what it will look like.

Unless you use AI.

I am glad that Messmaster/UMD has instituted a labeling system re "Synthetic". Some folks clearly really dig it and put a lot of time into mining and creating these images and I totally can accept that. Again, especially in a world of fetish and fantasy. But I'm glad for the labeling because I do tend to skip over those posts, just knowing inherently "Not my bag, baby". It's very simple and useful.

JY

Definitely real life. AI does nothing for me at all. I put it down with cartoons, just not my thing.

Real. The photo option should be set to "Real".

So far 175 real vs 5 AI. Trying to come up with a sports analogy, but I can't. Greatest comeback ever?

Needs a both option or other combo varieties

Here's one that a real producer would not be able to do

But a single image doesn't really cut it, there's obviously a story here, at the very least a "before" pic is needed ... it starts to be quite a lot of work.

I've found the "showing emotions" part of AI generated images, funnily enough, works well. They are well trained on portraying human emotions ... like good actors, I guess. And like a movie, whether the result works for audiences emotionally is going to be a lot about the writing

The WAM part is harder, the AIs are not trained on a lot of WAM images but that's just an implementation detail, there is no reason they can't do good WAM images. Whether there will be good AI WAM videos is not sure yet but the field is moving crazily fast, I guess we'll know soon enough.

Edit: I'm still not "arguing for" AI images, of the two I am for sure for real WAM but I hope they can coexist in a fun way.

Edit 2: it's perfectly possible to produce AI WAM images of a real person, but I haven't experimented because I'd need a willing model before I am comfortable doing so, and of course that's also needed to publish anything. If any producer+model would like a private demo I'd be more than happy to oblige, send me a message it would be really interesting if real content ended up with AI bonuses on the side.

I prefer real pics, but the fact that nobody did the pictures I'd like to see and I'm also picky about image quality brought me to playing around with the AI.

This sums up my position too.

You don't need a poll to know what most people will say.

It's almost impossible to get 100% of people to tag things the way we want. If you see anything not tagged right, could you take a sec and flag it? That comes right to me.


This. Tons of people have incredible imaginations and creative talent, but just lack the actual artistic ability, time, or equipment to lay it down and make it real. AI is going to unlock the imaginations of everyday people and that's going to be way more powerful than most of us think.

Not only do I prefer seeing real pics, I prefer TAKING real pics.

I tried making AI-generated WAM for about a week just to see what all the hype was about. Got decent results. Saw how I could do better with practice. But I got bored really quickly. The biggest takeaway I got from those hours of generating images that looked juuuuuust real enough to piss you off about how fake it is was that I need to get my camera, reach out to some models, and Make WAM Real Again.

So I guess kudos to AI for generating some inspiration for the aesthetics of future photo and video shoots. But it's not going to replace the real fun, the real experience, and the real people who make WAM WAM.

Something original, then? Challenge accepted! Please see attached.

Any good? Well, that's in the eye of the beholder ... we are a bit in the "throw it at the wall and see if it sticks" phase

Real pictures all the way , AI doesn't interest me in the slightest, each to their own, but just not my thing xx

Not at all interested in AI pics. What's the point??
If that many want them could we have a separate forum for them? Then all would be catered for.

The point is wish fulfilment. If someone was producing 'real' photos like this, I'd look at them all day long. But they're not.

And there is a separate forum. I post there quite a bit.

Figuring out a way to show people only content they're interested in totally makes sense; I've also been posting mostly over on the AI group.

One data point, announcing my site update for this week on the main forum instead of the AI group brought about 7x more traffic. That suggests to me that there is more interest than is represented within just the AI group.

However, it might be that most of those new visitors from the main forum don't like the site and won't visit next time. So my plan is that if there is a downwards trend in traffic following future updates then I'll go back to posting mostly / entirely in the AI group.

Either way I'll be careful to label everything "synthetic"

Edit: here's another image I think is fairly original

I prefer the REAL, but will admit there are both good and bad pics in real and AI. I can appreciate the potential for creating impossible scenes in AI, but working with bing is discouraging because it does not seem to favor wam or messes (not to mention nudity).
Knowing that the real people in the real pics want to, and love to get messy will win over AI any day~

Yeah, that's certainly the best choice if you have the possibilities to do so. If you don't and nobody happens to make the kind of pics you like, you're possibly stuck with AI.

I think the models can already be pushed quite far, who knows what will be possible in a year or so ... here is some sci-fi AI WAM for you

That's perfectly fine if you can find real content based on your preferences, then AI possibly isn't for you.

For my tastes (more curvy women and wetlook) and still pictures rather than videos, you virtually can't find anything so I opted to try and make my own images using AI.

I agree with you that most pictures posted here are very artifical and unnatural, but I've also seen some which are nearly undistinguishable from real photos. The more fantasy and precise settings you try to put into a picture, the less real the result will be.

Real for sure, but what producer will fill an office waist-deep in nacho sauce? There are things like this that we can visualize with AI, but likely never see real people doing. I did photos of a luxury bus getting stuck in mud, and women in evening gowns getting out in the rain to try and push it. Would this happen in real life, and if it did, would a photographer be on hand for photos? Not likely. So I see AI as a way to fulfill crazy ideas that otherwise wouldn't be seen. But I prefer real photos of real women messy, but they seldom are of what I really want to see, and I don't want to pay for a custom. (The one time I did, it wasn't what I had asked for)

My tupenny worth is they are different media, serving different things. On the face of it, yes, it's all content with people getting covered in stuff. Deeper than that, of course real wam is better. The knowledge that people are actually doing this stuff to each other and themselves is a huge part, if not the main part of the wam scene.
AI is a new and experimental thing that is happening to us, and a large part of that experiment is to see how much is lost knowing that it's not real, but relies on our imagination to fill in the gaps.
Personally, I have a degree of reservation about doing it in real life, the taboo of getting someone else messy is really intense, and I find it difficult to be that naughty, even though it's a great part of my sexual psyche. British and repressed, I guess. Feels bad, because I'd love to be as sex positive as most of our members are, I just find it hard. I genuinely don't think of myself as judgemental, except evidently about myself. I like to remember that two things' I've heard from good people in the past about "as long as it's safe, consensual and legal" and "try not to yuck on someone else's yum". And I'm fortunate enough to have a trusting loving partner who understands my sexuality and we play together for real in a loving environment.
But it's exciting to me to have a media where it's not real people I'm doing this to, so I can be as naughty as I like.
I have no clue as to whether or not other people engage with that, but some people seem to enjoy it.
If I thought for a second it would diminish the creation or use of real wam, I think I'd stop making immediately.
I hope this doesn't cross across as confrontational or defensive, I just wanted to offer what is perhaps an explanation for it, also sorry for the seppuku in the middle of this!

I've used "before and after" or "a progression of two photos" in my Bing prompts. The results are often mixed. Bing has the pie hit first, then the girl is clean and I'm not sure what the forks are doing there. One night the girls in each half were different people in different dresses! That brings up a point StickyFingas made


If I can't fix it in Photoshop, I delete it. I agree, the backwards hand, conjoined arms, and so on take me right out of it. I just keep and sometimes share the good ones.

(BTW, the last one, gray dress, and the blue one were photoshopped to insert a pie facing the right way.)

As for "anything you want on YouTube" most of what I find there is TBH crap. Bad camerawork often missing the actual hit or focused on the models legs, out of focus, shaky, wetlook taken from so far away in such bad lighting that it could be 70-year-old men, clothing that shows nothing when wet (or dry for that matter). I usually don't even bother checking out YT clips any more unless its something specific.

I do wish that there was a "both" option.

I mainly prefer the real stuff, but letting my imagination go wild with AI photos -- the ladies can dress exactly how I'd like, and there's an inexhaustible supply of mess, and that kind of "custom" costs the low price of ZERO.

Both are fun, so I would have said both.

Personally I do prefer real shoots, but I was surprised how easy it was to create AI images with Image Creator.

Real 100%

Please sit down sir, I have a lengthy response to this. No one held anyone "hostage" that term is bullshit and you're spinning a false narrative. No one ever said that AI can't exist in Hollywood. That isn't what those negotiations were about.

The streaming platforms were actually asking background actors to come into the studios to get scanned. Not saying why, not giving them any info, just scanning them. Then suddenly, that actor sees that they were inserted into the background of a scene that they weren't paid for and they won't be getting paid for because they weren't physically in front of a camera. THAT is why we went on strike against using AI. IN THAT MANNER. Those people were protecting their own fucking images, their own faces being used without their consent. This is no different than PIRACY. Oh yes, this is exactly where I'm going to take this conversation because that's exactly what AI will help make possible. Stealing someone's likeness against their will. This is the kind of bullshit that corporate heads try to pull all the time. Those people put their careers and incomes on the line so that everyone can keep their jobs. You obviously know nothing about the corporate accountants that run the streaming platforms and how they abuse and mistreat everyone in the industry just so THEY can turn a profit. They would also put writers out of work in a second if they could just replace them with chat gpt.

The people who went on strike deserve to have jobs and be able to make a living and you're treating them like they're criminals for wanting to stand up and try to protect their way of life. AI can put a lot of people out of work and what jobs are left for them? Nothing that can make that level of money they've been making to sustain their incomes. Those strikes helped set a precedent that is making it easier for the other unions to get the negotiations they need so that we don't have to go on strike again. Wamfan had to lose out on work, we didn't know if we were going to keep our house and we'll go on strike again if we need to set a fucking precedent with the rest of the unions as well. We're all ready to support each other like the community that we are in this industry. UNION FUCKING STRONG.

Real pics 100%

to me ai is like a drawing, i can admire the skill, but the results do little for me. you can look at a photo of the grand canyon, but the "awe" is knowing it's really there. that's why i love this site, there is so much "awe"..

Well said.

It's not an analogy that I would have come to, but it really does make the point.