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"Now we gotta get photo ID's:-/"
Love you, too
lchris001 said: Wait let me get this straight... so I (not a producer), need to show my govt ID, if I want to upload an explicit picture, like my dick pic? 
When you put it that way, it makes me want something like this to not have to deal with asses sending me more unsolicited dick pics.
[Quote] Running two Patreons, I can tell you that their Trust and Safety team is on it. Both of my pages needed to be reviewed before launch, and both pages are constantly reviewed. Patreon is a system in place for reporting people who are in violation and they are swift to act. Other sites, however, have no such systems in place. No human is looking things over to make sure everything conforms to their rules.
I'd say there's something in this part:
No human is looking things over to make sure everything conforms to their rules.
Selected tube sites will almost allow any stolen or illegal content aboard them. So does it come down to the site owner having to monitor who they allow to run a store and what content that person can upload? This, in turn, keeps the credit card company happy. (Which from what I see here. Already happens.) What I can't see is. The credit card company trying to control each producer. Otherwise, that cuts out the host and the CC are taking over control.
Regards,
Andy and the team.
It's getting close to the 'know your customer' regulations that apply to companies providing financial services.
So one possibility if UMD wants to (possibly) stay ahead of the curve and to be extra watertight would be to ask for a selfie of the person holding the photo ID as well as a photo of the ID itself.
So one possibility if UMD wants to (possibly) stay ahead of the curve and to be extra watertight would be to ask for a selfie of the person holding the photo ID as well as a photo of the ID itself.
This is all MM's secret plan to see what I look like and take over my WAM empire. And then make me live in his basement filling up pie shells with cool whip. And....and......
Oh, wait. We've had drinks together.
Um.......never mind.
Oh, wait. We've had drinks together.
Um.......never mind.
There will probably be a crypto shaped solution to this problem, someday.
Messtival Co-Founder
One thing I forgot that has not been mentioned to my knowledge. What about content already uploaded? Is that grandfathered in, or will a lot of people need to go through all the photos in profiles to make sure there is ID associated?
Edit: Hey this is post 666. Yay!
Edit: Hey this is post 666. Yay!
slipperyskin said: There will probably be a crypto shaped solution to this problem, someday.
It has existed for over half a decade at Vidown. We accept Bitcoin through our Softokens.com account system.
Potatoman-J said: I think Mark hit every fucking nail on the head here squarely. The problem I have with this is it's not even the government. Like why does PayPal or Verotel need a copy of my personal ID with my address on it? Just because my fat 39 year old ass rolled around in some pudding with Ariel and Jayce?
Why are CC companies (private banks/financial institutions) asking for this, and what is their legal basis for even being allowed to? If this were a federal bank regulation like Reg D, or the BSA, there would be SOME basis to stand on, and it would the fed regulating the private companies.
You don't have to look far or deep to see that big tech companies have been making strides against civil liberties. Whether it's the producer vs platform argument to regulate free speech on social media such as Twitter or Facebook or the push of new "corporate cities" like in Nevada where private businesses will own enough land to be their own township, have their own school districts, taxes, etc.
They're very open and blatant about it, and the current administration doesn't really seem to have much interest in dealing with it. They're more concerned with banning menthol cigarettes, and making sure positions are filled with the correct political diversity rather than the most competent person (regardless of identification) for the job.
I'm not trying to be "negative" or a "downer" D, I'm just calling it like I see it. And what I see is bullshit.
P.S. Let's get a drink sometime now that we're all vaccinated
Why are CC companies (private banks/financial institutions) asking for this, and what is their legal basis for even being allowed to? If this were a federal bank regulation like Reg D, or the BSA, there would be SOME basis to stand on, and it would the fed regulating the private companies.
You don't have to look far or deep to see that big tech companies have been making strides against civil liberties. Whether it's the producer vs platform argument to regulate free speech on social media such as Twitter or Facebook or the push of new "corporate cities" like in Nevada where private businesses will own enough land to be their own township, have their own school districts, taxes, etc.
They're very open and blatant about it, and the current administration doesn't really seem to have much interest in dealing with it. They're more concerned with banning menthol cigarettes, and making sure positions are filled with the correct political diversity rather than the most competent person (regardless of identification) for the job.
I'm not trying to be "negative" or a "downer" D, I'm just calling it like I see it. And what I see is bullshit.
P.S. Let's get a drink sometime now that we're all vaccinated
Huh...I always thought you were older than I am
This is going to be interesting to watch. MC has always been the uptight, self-righteous, snivelling little bitch of the card processing world. Pretty much all porn sites' TOS are a copy and past of the MC regulations that have exited for decades. The thing is, the major ones rarely bothered to enforce anything. The UMD has. Vidown/TheMothership has. At Vidown we have always been extremely strict about MC content limitations and have gotten even more "by the book" over the years, as our vendors who wanted to sell marginal stuff will attest. c4s has always ignored all but the borderline illegal genres, and even then, only took action if their feet were held to the fire by someone with influence or press. PH was born of piracy, built on mob money, and always took a "not our problem" approach. This whole thing is an attack on those last two specifically and their owners deserve to burn in hell for causing this whole mess.
BTW, MC has always had an inflated sense of self-importance in the adult world. A lot of clickbait sites are running around claiming we are all going to lose 50% of our income if we don't tow the line. Fortunately for us, MC is less than 20% of our billing and always has been. Visa, Discover, JCB, ChinaPay, etc all pretty much just let MC run interference, do all the work, and take all the heat. It's important to note here that American Express (the LEAST American company in spirit) has always prohibited adult content entirely. If you have one of those pieces of shit cards, go look at your cardholder agreement. You are not allowed to buy adult content with THEIR card (emphasis in case you though it belonged to you and you had any rights at all)
Something to remember is that some of the record keeping requirements being pushed in this were ruled unconstitutional years ago in court cases brought against 2257 by the Free Speech Coalition. It's going to be a mess, but I think MC is going to get bitchslapped HARD the first time a case goes to court, especially in privacy-centric Europe
BTW, MC has always had an inflated sense of self-importance in the adult world. A lot of clickbait sites are running around claiming we are all going to lose 50% of our income if we don't tow the line. Fortunately for us, MC is less than 20% of our billing and always has been. Visa, Discover, JCB, ChinaPay, etc all pretty much just let MC run interference, do all the work, and take all the heat. It's important to note here that American Express (the LEAST American company in spirit) has always prohibited adult content entirely. If you have one of those pieces of shit cards, go look at your cardholder agreement. You are not allowed to buy adult content with THEIR card (emphasis in case you though it belonged to you and you had any rights at all)
Something to remember is that some of the record keeping requirements being pushed in this were ruled unconstitutional years ago in court cases brought against 2257 by the Free Speech Coalition. It's going to be a mess, but I think MC is going to get bitchslapped HARD the first time a case goes to court, especially in privacy-centric Europe
soundguy said: This is going to be interesting to watch. MC has always been the uptight, self-righteous, snivelling little bitch of the card processing world. Pretty much all porn sites' TOS are a copy and past of the MC regulations that have exited for decades. The thing is, the major ones rarely bothered to enforce anything. The UMD has. Vidown/TheMothership has. At Vidown we have always been extremely strict about MC content limitations and have gotten even more "by the book" over the years, as our vendors who wanted to sell marginal stuff will attest. c4s has always ignored all but the borderline illegal genres, and even then, only took action if their feet were held to the fire by someone with influence or press. PH was born of piracy, built on mob money, and always took a "not our problem" approach. This whole thing is an attack on those last two specifically and their owners deserve to burn in hell for causing this whole mess.
BTW, MC has always had an inflated sense of self-importance in the adult world. A lot of clickbait sites are running around claiming we are all going to lose 50% of our income if we don't tow the line. Fortunately for us, MC is less than 20% of our billing and always has been. Visa, Discover, JCB, ChinaPay, etc all pretty much just let MC run interference, do all the work, and take all the heat. It's important to note here that American Express (the LEAST American company in spirit) has always prohibited adult content entirely. If you have one of those pieces of shit cards, go look at your cardholder agreement. You are not allowed to buy adult content with THEIR card (emphasis in case you though it belonged to you and you had any rights at all)
Something to remember is that some of the record keeping requirements being pushed in this were ruled unconstitutional years ago in court cases brought against 2257 by the Free Speech Coalition. It's going to be a mess, but I think MC is going to get bitchslapped HARD the first time a case goes to court, especially in privacy-centric Europe
BTW, MC has always had an inflated sense of self-importance in the adult world. A lot of clickbait sites are running around claiming we are all going to lose 50% of our income if we don't tow the line. Fortunately for us, MC is less than 20% of our billing and always has been. Visa, Discover, JCB, ChinaPay, etc all pretty much just let MC run interference, do all the work, and take all the heat. It's important to note here that American Express (the LEAST American company in spirit) has always prohibited adult content entirely. If you have one of those pieces of shit cards, go look at your cardholder agreement. You are not allowed to buy adult content with THEIR card (emphasis in case you though it belonged to you and you had any rights at all)
Something to remember is that some of the record keeping requirements being pushed in this were ruled unconstitutional years ago in court cases brought against 2257 by the Free Speech Coalition. It's going to be a mess, but I think MC is going to get bitchslapped HARD the first time a case goes to court, especially in privacy-centric Europe
This, this, Jesus H Christ, THIS.
This is my entire problem. This isn't a government thing. Private businesses do not have the authority to regulate business at this level For instance if Mastercard were the ones doing this and VISA didn't give a shit, then Mastercard would just lose a FUCK TON of business, that's how the market works.
Bankers have no legal basis to ask you to provide THEM with your ID because you post a faceless dick pic on Twitter. It literally has NOTHING to do with their business.
I understand it gets hairier with sold content, but as this was initially presented it includes people who post their own pics and there's ZERO money involved. There's already terms of agreement in place that are legally binding about posting illegal content such as child pornography.
He's more potato now than man. Twisted and evil.
gness7 said:
Really? What kind of Patreons are you running? Just curious. I may be living a charmed life--and also a low key one since I never really went out of my way to market my Patreon to the masses. It does suck that we're getting to a place where, as hinted by MM, we stop legislating the content and start legislating the public's reaction to it. There are going to be a lot of Instagram models and Twitch streamers looking for work if content that might possibly get a sexual reaction out of someone for any reason gets more and more scrutinized.
johnnypie said:
Running two Patreons, I can tell you that their Trust and Safety team is on it. Both of my pages needed to be reviewed before launch, and both pages are constantly reviewed. Patreon is a system in place for reporting people who are in violation and they are swift to act. Other sites, however, have no such systems in place. No human is looking things over to make sure everything conforms to their rules.
Running two Patreons, I can tell you that their Trust and Safety team is on it. Both of my pages needed to be reviewed before launch, and both pages are constantly reviewed. Patreon is a system in place for reporting people who are in violation and they are swift to act. Other sites, however, have no such systems in place. No human is looking things over to make sure everything conforms to their rules.
Really? What kind of Patreons are you running? Just curious. I may be living a charmed life--and also a low key one since I never really went out of my way to market my Patreon to the masses. It does suck that we're getting to a place where, as hinted by MM, we stop legislating the content and start legislating the public's reaction to it. There are going to be a lot of Instagram models and Twitch streamers looking for work if content that might possibly get a sexual reaction out of someone for any reason gets more and more scrutinized.
I'm not here to market my Patreons - IM me if you want to know which ones I'm running, but I ended up last month with a combined 2,800 members and yeah, Patreon's team is all over me to always make sure I'm in compliance. Also, in order to launch a Patreon you have to use your real name and fill out tax forms. So that's a lot different than creating a free "tube" account and uploading porn.
soundguy said: This is going to be interesting to watch. MC has always been the uptight, self-righteous, snivelling little bitch of the card processing world. Pretty much all porn sites' TOS are a copy and past of the MC regulations that have exited for decades. The thing is, the major ones rarely bothered to enforce anything. The UMD has. Vidown/TheMothership has. At Vidown we have always been extremely strict about MC content limitations and have gotten even more "by the book" over the years, as our vendors who wanted to sell marginal stuff will attest. c4s has always ignored all but the borderline illegal genres, and even then, only took action if their feet were held to the fire by someone with influence or press. PH was born of piracy, built on mob money, and always took a "not our problem" approach. This whole thing is an attack on those last two specifically and their owners deserve to burn in hell for causing this whole mess.
BTW, MC has always had an inflated sense of self-importance in the adult world. A lot of clickbait sites are running around claiming we are all going to lose 50% of our income if we don't tow the line. Fortunately for us, MC is less than 20% of our billing and always has been. Visa, Discover, JCB, ChinaPay, etc all pretty much just let MC run interference, do all the work, and take all the heat. It's important to note here that American Express (the LEAST American company in spirit) has always prohibited adult content entirely. If you have one of those pieces of shit cards, go look at your cardholder agreement. You are not allowed to buy adult content with THEIR card (emphasis in case you though it belonged to you and you had any rights at all)
Something to remember is that some of the record keeping requirements being pushed in this were ruled unconstitutional years ago in court cases brought against 2257 by the Free Speech Coalition. It's going to be a mess, but I think MC is going to get bitchslapped HARD the first time a case goes to court, especially in privacy-centric Europe
BTW, MC has always had an inflated sense of self-importance in the adult world. A lot of clickbait sites are running around claiming we are all going to lose 50% of our income if we don't tow the line. Fortunately for us, MC is less than 20% of our billing and always has been. Visa, Discover, JCB, ChinaPay, etc all pretty much just let MC run interference, do all the work, and take all the heat. It's important to note here that American Express (the LEAST American company in spirit) has always prohibited adult content entirely. If you have one of those pieces of shit cards, go look at your cardholder agreement. You are not allowed to buy adult content with THEIR card (emphasis in case you though it belonged to you and you had any rights at all)
Something to remember is that some of the record keeping requirements being pushed in this were ruled unconstitutional years ago in court cases brought against 2257 by the Free Speech Coalition. It's going to be a mess, but I think MC is going to get bitchslapped HARD the first time a case goes to court, especially in privacy-centric Europe
I agree with everything you said. In the mean time, my production company is gearing up possibly be required to remit model release forms for every model we have featured on our platforms. And while that works its way through the court system, if you don't have those forms, your store will still be out of business in the mean time.
OF already does this, and it's a living, breathing nightmare. Models are getting rejected left and right when OF's system detects that the forms was filled out incorrectly. If you're a model running an OF, putting up a video with a another model in it is also now a total nightmare. There's a tagging system that's supposed to work if the other model has a OF but when it snags, the account is suspended pending further review and documentation.
I feel C4S right now is fighting tooth and nail to avoid this...requiring that all stores send model releases but I also feel it's coming. If it comes, it'll be do to new CC rules and will be global, meaning if you're running an adult platform, you're either going to have an ID system or you've not gonna have an adult platform.
So it's hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Well isn't this an interesting turn! Like johnnypie said we have wanted this for years, now complain? I for one am super happy I don't have to check the free tube sites every week for my ripped off content. Soundguy also makes a very good point, the CC processing for adult content has always been expensive.
There is no privacy any more, carry a smart phone they know who you are, what goes in and out and where you are. And soon, if you have Covid Vaccinations. If you want a private life go build a cabin in the woods, no tv no internet. If you post shit on the net its public. Just having a more direct tab on who you are is the only way to stop the bad guys, thieves, kiddie porn etc.
If your life is that shady you are freaked out about MM having your ID them being a producer might not be your thing! If you are a good person, pay your taxes, don't break the law and keep the right paper work why be afraid? Maybe that is a little naive, but if you can't trust some people then leave! Go someplace else. There are some great places in this world to disappear to. I see this as a good thing....
Phil
There is no privacy any more, carry a smart phone they know who you are, what goes in and out and where you are. And soon, if you have Covid Vaccinations. If you want a private life go build a cabin in the woods, no tv no internet. If you post shit on the net its public. Just having a more direct tab on who you are is the only way to stop the bad guys, thieves, kiddie porn etc.
If your life is that shady you are freaked out about MM having your ID them being a producer might not be your thing! If you are a good person, pay your taxes, don't break the law and keep the right paper work why be afraid? Maybe that is a little naive, but if you can't trust some people then leave! Go someplace else. There are some great places in this world to disappear to. I see this as a good thing....
Phil
I hate to upset everyone but I view this the other way. MM is/has given over his business to the Credit Card companies. There is NO other site asking me for personal details to be sent over the internet to upload a trailer. What's next ID for pics? Why should someone have to send picture data over the internet (at their risk I might add), to a site that when push comes to shove they know ZERO about the inner workings. MM says he doesn't hold the data. Fine. But that still has to go from your PC to this site. Who is going to sort out the problem if your ID is taken (en-route) and used on the dark web? MM. I very much doubt that. Are the CC companies going to supply MM with the ability to do what I have requested. I doubt that, either. So the risk is 100% on the producer or the user.
*Edit: I will add: I think MM's billing system is better. At least people have to log in to purchase. Most sites don't make you. That's a plus for traceability, underage, etc.*
Regards,
Andy and the team.
*Edit: I will add: I think MM's billing system is better. At least people have to log in to purchase. Most sites don't make you. That's a plus for traceability, underage, etc.*
Regards,
Andy and the team.
MudMadPhil said: And soon, if you have Covid Vaccinations.
Oh man please tell me you are not one of those people that think there are microchips in the vaccine...
Nope not happening with me surryyyyyyyy
WildThang said: I can see the pros and cons from both sides here but I'm afraid that this much cumbersome accountability control will discourage a lot of great content from being made anymore. Such a contrast to some European countries who are really all about privacy.
Good point
Paint with play and surrender
johnnypie said: My opinion might be very unpopular, but this adult industry was been asking for this. There are two major organizations that fight sex trafficking and underage material, and good for them.
It's no secret that there's a big issue with underage content and a bigger issue with sex rings making money by forcing girls to do sex work online.
The adult industry's answer? Not only do nothing, but allow (like PH did) literally anyone to upload porn. You're 12 and have a smart phone? Go ahead.
These platforms claimed to have a review and flagging system to combat UA videos, but I've read the lawsuits against PH and Twitter. They don't. The organization, for example, flagged certain UA videos to no avail.
So this was all coming, and it's going to be much, much worse. We all saw that Mastercard is coming out with new streaming rules that will all but kill adult streaming: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210415/11413646621/mastercard-lays-down-new-rules-streaming-sites-that-require-them-to-review-content-before-publication.shtml
Clips4Sale is on a rampage, shutting down countless categories and banning more and more keywords. C4S is now after spanking: https://twitter.com/SarahGregory02/status/1388270923304865796
Sleeperkid, who is an institution in this business, producing since 1998, lost his ability to process credit cards and cannot find another bank to take him. His sin? Wrestling: https://twitter.com/Sleeperkid/status/1384532142999363585
Mark my words, coming soon, any adult platform that does not have an ID system will no longer be a platform.
It's no secret that there's a big issue with underage content and a bigger issue with sex rings making money by forcing girls to do sex work online.
The adult industry's answer? Not only do nothing, but allow (like PH did) literally anyone to upload porn. You're 12 and have a smart phone? Go ahead.
These platforms claimed to have a review and flagging system to combat UA videos, but I've read the lawsuits against PH and Twitter. They don't. The organization, for example, flagged certain UA videos to no avail.
So this was all coming, and it's going to be much, much worse. We all saw that Mastercard is coming out with new streaming rules that will all but kill adult streaming: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210415/11413646621/mastercard-lays-down-new-rules-streaming-sites-that-require-them-to-review-content-before-publication.shtml
Clips4Sale is on a rampage, shutting down countless categories and banning more and more keywords. C4S is now after spanking: https://twitter.com/SarahGregory02/status/1388270923304865796
Sleeperkid, who is an institution in this business, producing since 1998, lost his ability to process credit cards and cannot find another bank to take him. His sin? Wrestling: https://twitter.com/Sleeperkid/status/1384532142999363585
Mark my words, coming soon, any adult platform that does not have an ID system will no longer be a platform.
I didn't know any of this thanks for sharing
Paint with play and surrender
dalamar666 said:
Oh man please tell me you are not one of those people that think there are microchips in the vaccine...
MudMadPhil said: And soon, if you have Covid Vaccinations.
Oh man please tell me you are not one of those people that think there are microchips in the vaccine...
I'm a fat tub of shit, so I hope there are potato chips in the vaccine.
Oh Janet! You look so funny!!!
What is this government ID document? We don't have them in the UK. I don't drive, and don't have a passport as I can't/don't travel abroad. So how does that work if this happens?
webcamplayer said: What is this government ID document? We don't have them in the UK. I don't drive, and don't have a passport as I can't/don't travel abroad. So how does that work if this happens?
Maybe a CitizenCard?
https://www.citizencard.com/what-is-a-citizencard
I don't have one, but apparently:
"A CitizenCard is an official UK ID / proof of age card recognised as such by the Home Office, the Chartered Trading Standards Institute and almost all UK retailers and public transport providers including UK airlines. The adult 18+ photo ID card displays the police and the Security Industry Authority logos and all CitizenCards bear the PASS hologram."
Saturation Hall, Langstonedale
Lord of the Pies
webcamplayer said: What is this government ID document? We don't have them in the UK. I don't drive, and don't have a passport as I can't/don't travel abroad. So how does that work if this happens?
Usually that would be either driving license or passport, though people on benefits who have neither can I gather apply to the DWP for an official ID letter, though that doesn't have a photo on it. But that is a valid point, unlike in the US and most of Europe, there is no requirement in law in the UK to have or to carry any form of ID, so it's entirely possible for people not to have any, though TBH this is gradually changing, there are areas, such as the borough of Islington in London, that have mandated no-one can enter a nightclub without presenting photo-ID, which has caused howls of outrage but been forced through anyway.
TBH in my experience those Citizen Cards aren't up to much, Nurse Wendy used to have one but hardly anywhere actually accepted it as ID.
Saturation Hall - Forth! The Gungemaidens!
There's two arguments here; underage watching porn and underage being uploaded to adult platforms.
You're never going to tackle minors watching porn. Imagine telling Netflix that starting next week, they have to ensure that no one under 17 in the U.S. can watched rated R movies. That's impossible.
With that said, let's stick with Netflix. Do they allow porn? No. How do they police that policy? They have humans reviewing movie submissions.
Now, when you move into a much larger scale like the porn "tube" sites, that's impossible, but I feel all adult platforms should take reasonable steps to ensure that underage content isn't being uploaded.
Nothing should be uploaded without ID from the producers and all models appearing in the video. Also, while it's unreasonable to have humans eyes on every upload, it's not unreasonable that you have enough staff to review videos that have been reported to be underage or uploaded without consent.
Now, what's becoming very concerning is this whole underage/sex trafficking situation has opened up pandora's box for the CC companies to wield power they shouldn't have over the kinds of adult content that's allowed.
This is resulted in the latest attack on a ton of platforms from twitter to reddit to clips for sale, and the root issue is "non-consent."
Years back, everyone banned chloro. Now, it's moving to basically anything that portrays the models in a harmful situation or non-consensual situation, like forced orgasms.
They are also hammering down hard on "incest" including c4s banning words like "sister." While that might sound innocuous, I work with a sister team doing 100% non-sexual stuff (obviously) but I can longer use the word sister.
The scary part is CC companies are setting these rules. They decided they didn't want to see fake blood, so fake blood is banned on C4S. And these platforms are indeed held hostage. Sure, they can always get some offshore billing....at 20%, but then there's no business model.
You're never going to tackle minors watching porn. Imagine telling Netflix that starting next week, they have to ensure that no one under 17 in the U.S. can watched rated R movies. That's impossible.
With that said, let's stick with Netflix. Do they allow porn? No. How do they police that policy? They have humans reviewing movie submissions.
Now, when you move into a much larger scale like the porn "tube" sites, that's impossible, but I feel all adult platforms should take reasonable steps to ensure that underage content isn't being uploaded.
Nothing should be uploaded without ID from the producers and all models appearing in the video. Also, while it's unreasonable to have humans eyes on every upload, it's not unreasonable that you have enough staff to review videos that have been reported to be underage or uploaded without consent.
Now, what's becoming very concerning is this whole underage/sex trafficking situation has opened up pandora's box for the CC companies to wield power they shouldn't have over the kinds of adult content that's allowed.
This is resulted in the latest attack on a ton of platforms from twitter to reddit to clips for sale, and the root issue is "non-consent."
Years back, everyone banned chloro. Now, it's moving to basically anything that portrays the models in a harmful situation or non-consensual situation, like forced orgasms.
They are also hammering down hard on "incest" including c4s banning words like "sister." While that might sound innocuous, I work with a sister team doing 100% non-sexual stuff (obviously) but I can longer use the word sister.
The scary part is CC companies are setting these rules. They decided they didn't want to see fake blood, so fake blood is banned on C4S. And these platforms are indeed held hostage. Sure, they can always get some offshore billing....at 20%, but then there's no business model.
As a longtime consumer of wam pornography, illegal password trader, & local gov't suckup, I think these draconian invasive laws on content providers are just the thing I need to sleep morally sound at night. In fact, I don't believe they go far enough. I demand real photographs (not enhanced photoshopped ones) of all my content providers' junk to confirm they are real men. This is the only way I know that my wam content is being produced by heterosexual men, like myself, who truly understand the kind of heterosexual porn-fetish material *I* want to see.
(super-sarcasm)
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Zoidbergs Evil Twin said: As a longtime consumer of wam pornography, illegal password trader, & local gov't suckup, I think these draconian invasive laws on content providers are just the thing I need to sleep morally sound at night. In fact, I don't believe they go far enough. I demand real photographs (not enhanced photoshopped ones) of all my content providers' genitals to confirm they are real men. This is the only way I know that my wam content will is being produced by heterosexual men, like myself, who truly understand the kind of heterosexual porn-fetish material *I* want to see.
(super-sarcasm)
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Alright boys, everyone flood the good doctor's inbox with dick pics
Alright boys, everyone flood the good doctor's inbox with dick pics
But he won't recogmise the faces through the mess!!
DungeonMasterOne said:
Usually that would be either driving license or passport, though people on benefits who have neither can I gather apply to the DWP for an official ID letter, though that doesn't have a photo on it. But that is a valid point, unlike in the US and most of Europe, there is no requirement in law in the UK to have or to carry any form of ID, so it's entirely possible for people not to have any, though TBH this is gradually changing, there are areas, such as the borough of Islington in London, that have mandated no-one can enter a nightclub without presenting photo-ID, which has caused howls of outrage but been forced through anyway.
TBH in my experience those Citizen Cards aren't up to much, Nurse Wendy used to have one but hardly anywhere actually accepted it as ID.
webcamplayer said: What is this government ID document? We don't have them in the UK. I don't drive, and don't have a passport as I can't/don't travel abroad. So how does that work if this happens?
Usually that would be either driving license or passport, though people on benefits who have neither can I gather apply to the DWP for an official ID letter, though that doesn't have a photo on it. But that is a valid point, unlike in the US and most of Europe, there is no requirement in law in the UK to have or to carry any form of ID, so it's entirely possible for people not to have any, though TBH this is gradually changing, there are areas, such as the borough of Islington in London, that have mandated no-one can enter a nightclub without presenting photo-ID, which has caused howls of outrage but been forced through anyway.
TBH in my experience those Citizen Cards aren't up to much, Nurse Wendy used to have one but hardly anywhere actually accepted it as ID.
I don't think ID cards of any kind are likely to come into play in the UK for many years. There has been constant opposition to them, although personally I don't really care one way or the other.
Half of the problem here is that I don't see how photo ID is going to help anyone. How does my (or anyone's photo) prove that I am who is on that photo when I'm browsing and you can't see me? Uploading a photo ID doesn't prove anything to anyone. I could, for example, find a passport on the ground one day, pick it up, take it home and scan it for the website. And neither UMD or anyone will know whether I'm the guy in the photo or not.
Rather like the once-imminent similar rule change for porn sites by the UK govt that we all got very upset about a year or two back, I very much doubt that this will come to pass. The UK govt abandoned their ideas - sorry, they postponed them and we never heard of them again. The reason being because it wouldn't work and it was impossible to regulate. The same is true here. For the reasons outlined above, it actually achieves nothing, and photo ID proves nothing. Even someone's kid can grab a passport from their parents and scan it and upload it, and who can prove it?
The funny thing is there was a case not too long ago that went to the courts where they actually ruled that it was ILLEGAL to throw them out of a bar for an expired ID. I dont know if it was appeared to the SC yet but yeah lawyers really like to complicate laws. We will have to see if the SC step sin or if they let that precdent set. Probably wont matter here but yeah even the law isnt the law sometimes
Potatoman-J said:
Yeah, that's not how it works in the US. Any form of ID that is not current is not valid for any purposes requiring an ID, even if that purpose is getting a beer from the local bar. Doesn't matter if you're old and wrinkled, if your ID is expired, you can only only get a drink, but they are required by law to have you removed from the premises in certain cases/states etc.
This is so fucking dumb...with everyone that's already thrown in the towel recently, here's yet another compelling excuse to do so if you haven't already.
DungeonMasterOne said:
To be fair, if all it's to do is prove "not underage" then it doesn't matter if a passport or driving license has expired, it's still state-issued ID that proves photo, name, and date of birth, and none of those change just because it expires, it still proves the model was over 18 at time of shoot, or (for producers) what their state-recognised ID is (or was at that time).
To be fair, if all it's to do is prove "not underage" then it doesn't matter if a passport or driving license has expired, it's still state-issued ID that proves photo, name, and date of birth, and none of those change just because it expires, it still proves the model was over 18 at time of shoot, or (for producers) what their state-recognised ID is (or was at that time).
Yeah, that's not how it works in the US. Any form of ID that is not current is not valid for any purposes requiring an ID, even if that purpose is getting a beer from the local bar. Doesn't matter if you're old and wrinkled, if your ID is expired, you can only only get a drink, but they are required by law to have you removed from the premises in certain cases/states etc.
This is so fucking dumb...with everyone that's already thrown in the towel recently, here's yet another compelling excuse to do so if you haven't already.
I think the someone else said it well. No one cares except when they want to make an example out of someone. It wont be na issue till some company gets into a problem and they they say ok we need to verify stuff and if they find something like that it can be used to shut down a site or refuse payment. Laws are often abused like that
webcamplayer said:
I don't think ID cards of any kind are likely to come into play in the UK for many years. There has been constant opposition to them, although personally I don't really care one way or the other.
Half of the problem here is that I don't see how photo ID is going to help anyone. How does my (or anyone's photo) prove that I am who is on that photo when I'm browsing and you can't see me? Uploading a photo ID doesn't prove anything to anyone. I could, for example, find a passport on the ground one day, pick it up, take it home and scan it for the website. And neither UMD or anyone will know whether I'm the guy in the photo or not.
Rather like the once-imminent similar rule change for porn sites by the UK govt that we all got very upset about a year or two back, I very much doubt that this will come to pass. The UK govt abandoned their ideas - sorry, they postponed them and we never heard of them again. The reason being because it wouldn't work and it was impossible to regulate. The same is true here. For the reasons outlined above, it actually achieves nothing, and photo ID proves nothing. Even someone's kid can grab a passport from their parents and scan it and upload it, and who can prove it?
DungeonMasterOne said:
Usually that would be either driving license or passport, though people on benefits who have neither can I gather apply to the DWP for an official ID letter, though that doesn't have a photo on it. But that is a valid point, unlike in the US and most of Europe, there is no requirement in law in the UK to have or to carry any form of ID, so it's entirely possible for people not to have any, though TBH this is gradually changing, there are areas, such as the borough of Islington in London, that have mandated no-one can enter a nightclub without presenting photo-ID, which has caused howls of outrage but been forced through anyway.
TBH in my experience those Citizen Cards aren't up to much, Nurse Wendy used to have one but hardly anywhere actually accepted it as ID.
webcamplayer said: What is this government ID document? We don't have them in the UK. I don't drive, and don't have a passport as I can't/don't travel abroad. So how does that work if this happens?
Usually that would be either driving license or passport, though people on benefits who have neither can I gather apply to the DWP for an official ID letter, though that doesn't have a photo on it. But that is a valid point, unlike in the US and most of Europe, there is no requirement in law in the UK to have or to carry any form of ID, so it's entirely possible for people not to have any, though TBH this is gradually changing, there are areas, such as the borough of Islington in London, that have mandated no-one can enter a nightclub without presenting photo-ID, which has caused howls of outrage but been forced through anyway.
TBH in my experience those Citizen Cards aren't up to much, Nurse Wendy used to have one but hardly anywhere actually accepted it as ID.
I don't think ID cards of any kind are likely to come into play in the UK for many years. There has been constant opposition to them, although personally I don't really care one way or the other.
Half of the problem here is that I don't see how photo ID is going to help anyone. How does my (or anyone's photo) prove that I am who is on that photo when I'm browsing and you can't see me? Uploading a photo ID doesn't prove anything to anyone. I could, for example, find a passport on the ground one day, pick it up, take it home and scan it for the website. And neither UMD or anyone will know whether I'm the guy in the photo or not.
Rather like the once-imminent similar rule change for porn sites by the UK govt that we all got very upset about a year or two back, I very much doubt that this will come to pass. The UK govt abandoned their ideas - sorry, they postponed them and we never heard of them again. The reason being because it wouldn't work and it was impossible to regulate. The same is true here. For the reasons outlined above, it actually achieves nothing, and photo ID proves nothing. Even someone's kid can grab a passport from their parents and scan it and upload it, and who can prove it?
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