hey mark I realize you are not a pie fan as much as a wet fan but have u ever considered
making a clip tape of just rare pie scenes that features stuff that isn't all over YouTube? Considering you have so much stuff from around the world.
I'm talking about random stuff from Canada and Mexico or around Europe.
I know you have lots of obscure stuff on your data base.
I'm talking just stuff that's not on hurlys tapes or youtube. I really mean stuff nobody else has

Haha, Rich is a *little* younger than you think he is! Rich remembers pie scenes from Sesame Street and Electric Company, but he wasn't watching Price is Right as a preschooler.

I think Hurley's "LOST" list is a good basic source, but it's not perfect. Of course some of those clips have surfaced in the last 15 years. And YouTube seems to be the new source for found clips, rather than cliptapes hoarded and traded by a select few. Also (as Mark can attest), Hurley had some "lost clips" that were complete fabrications.... We found out the hard way that a supposed pie scene on Suzanne Somers' variety show, where Somers gets pied and guest Marie Osmond gets thrown into a giant pie (face first this time).... was 100% invented by some dude, and passed off to Hurley as fact. Good on Mark for tracking down the show in question and confirming there was zero WAM content on it.

I did my part tracking down the full version of that "Roaring 20s" clip that only showed up in a 2-sec preview on a Hurley tape. But I did it because the excerpt was tantilizingly good.... not because I had the need to collect it. By the same token, I'd love to track down some of the many missing "Electric Company" scenes and the GLOW Vicky Victory pie blackouts in decent quality.... as a lot of these are very good and the clips that currently exist are substandard.... but I've been hunting for years and haven't made any inroads there.

Never seen this before, good find. Do we have footage or is that holding out for too much?

I have not seen that series, and it is not even mentioned in IMDB records, but apparently this show was made in the UK in 1971 by George Schlatter (who created "Laugh In"). He produced this in the UK while "Laugh In" was still in production. It does indeed feature Lulu and the only available tapes are held in George's archives. He posted a quick clip on Youtube and is willing to licence it to any tv station that wants to licence it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPZj9UbvaEw

MK

Here is the full episode (cropped and mirrored to avoid getting removed)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCY7LbuTBp8

The musical number (William Conrad from "Cannon" singing!!) begins at 12:34
The "slapstick" begins around 14:07.

As my stills show (The WamGold down in the corner), this scene is on a cliptape.
I lost the number and don't remember which tape it was.
I'll try and find it.

Parallel universe time!

I have been archiving over 40,000 clips for 40 years and all the messy clips I have are online already (this includes my own collections as well as Hurley, RS and lots of other pre-Youtube VHS collectors as well)...it is all here

http://megastore.wamtec.com/clips.php?catid=4

It is impossible for me to crosscheck and produce a compilation of clips that Youtube does not have....because Youtube is constantly moving goal post and adding more clips every day. I have no way of keeping pace with Youtube and what they don't have. The only people who can check that are the fans.....

,,,,and my best solution is the offer I made to my VIP members on Wamflix.com - whereIn I created a "suggest a video" benefit to all my VIP members and they can send me requests for videos that they see I have, that Youtube does not have, and I will then retrieve the clip from my DVD archives and upload a streaming version for my Wamflix VIP members. Due to the sheer volume of requests I get to upload stuff, I have limited the requests to a max of 1 request per Wamflix VIP member per month.

MK

Hurley was a very reliable source for information and the items on his list had a degree of certainty. Unlike 2 other sources I used to use, Tony Keller's booklet called "The Wet and Messy Guide" that he published in the mid 1990's. He listed over 2000 wet and messy scenes and I went thru every item in his booklet and I found that only 50% were valid wet or messy scenes...and the other 50% I totally debunked as being false flags or way too lame to even bother recording. The other listings I used to refer to were the contents lists Rob Blaine sent to me that listed over 1000 items he had on his tv cliptapes. I found that about 30% of the items on Rob Blaine's wet and messy guidebook were very lame or inconsequential (i.e. many music video scenes that were too brief to be noteworthy).

But Hurley was the gold standard, and if he says something happened....then you could bet the farm on it. Just because I was unable to find that Marie Osmond / Suzanne Somers pie scene does not necessarily mean this did not happen. Just because there is no record of this on the IMDB website does not mean that IMDB has a perfect track record -- it does not. My uncle in the UK was a bit part actor on dozens and dozens of tv shows and movies from 1968 to 1992 (including Benny Hill and Fawlty Towers) and I have a record of over 150 tv shows and movies he appeared in (including being Dave Prowse's body double playing Darth Vader on the first Star Wars film and playing several different monsters on various Doctor Who episodes).....yet IMDB only lists about half of the shows and movies he was in, and they omit so much stuff.

Just look at that Lulu slapstick tv show Robby mentions....that is not listed on IMDB either yet we know it exists because Laugh In Producer George Schlatter made that show and he has it in his archives.

There is a chance that Hurle'sy lists were more accurate than IMDB is. It is quite possible that there was a pie scene with Suzanne that was shot, but was cut from the show for some reason. Here is an example of a deleted wet scene from the D&M show that never made it to air. This press clipping shows Donny and Marie in a 1975 scene with a shark in the pool from the first season.....and I searched for this scene for years and downloaded every single show and no such scene is in the show.....it is not on any show.. So....the scene was deleted from the show.

Perhaps the same thing happened with the Marie and Suzanne pie scene too.....

MAAAAYBE.....
I'm just saying, if memory holds: You tracked down the specific show mentioned on the Hurley list. (Something about her being aboard an aircraft carrier.) This is NOT a show that's available on YouTube, or DVD, or streaming. You found it through your sources. And you watched the whole thing, and didn't see either of the TWO pie scenes mentioned in the list.

Now, you're right. They COULD have deleted both scenes... although how would this person then been able to view them in the original broadcast, and alert Hurley to the specifics, if they never aired?
Or (a little more plausibly?) there could've been a second show with Marie Osmond on it? And maybe the guy confused his sources? And mixed up the location of one with the pie scene from the other?

I'm just saying.... We're already in "needle in a haystack" territory with a lot of these lost clips. No reason to waste further time when you've actually tracked down the specific episode that meets all the criteria... except for the actual mess.

Also, Hurley was only as accurate as his sources. And he freely admitted when he got bad info from someone he trusted. The infamous example of the guy who supposedly attended a taping of the Reba McEntire show... and saw the entire cast (including Reba and a hot blonde actress) involved in an epic pie fight. Well, we all anxiously watched Reba episodes waiting for this thing to air (these were the days before the UMD too). Surprise! No pies, no episode matching his description. For whatever reason, the dude decided to troll Hurley (and us). It happens.

On this Susanne Summers/Marie Osmond thing,

I remember when I was younger, might have been early 80s, there was an Osmond special, I saw for a promo there was a bit where some woman who had her back to the camera, I seem to recall dressed kind of like a fairy or pixie, threw a pie at Marie, she ducked and Donnie got hit.

Since I wasn't interested in seeing Donnie pied, I didn't bother catching it, but I was flipping channels as the show was over and during the credits they were running bits from the show. The did that pie scene, and it was some strange bit where some mystery woman threw a pie, Marie ducked completely, Donnie got hit, but then when Marie lifted back up, somehow she had been pied and Donnie was cleaned, as if by magic or some shit.

My youthful memories can vary, of course. I also remember that Price is Right pie, down to the gladiator theme and the girls racing on chariots, one seltzering the other and then getting pied in return, finally with the pied girl still pied revealing the obligatory "A NEW CAR!" for the grand prize of the showcase.

So I got it all right, but where my memory got it completely wrong -- I remember the pieing being great and wishing I could revisit it over the years.

When it finally resurfaced, I was disappointed and shocked how tame/lame/pathetic the pie hit was.

So my memory got all the basics down but missed one fairly important factor, take that into consideration. I do remember some D&M special though with this pieing involved in it.

Just curious: Where did this scene resurface? I must have missed it. Despite the "tame/lame pathetic pie hit" I'd still like to see it.

Please note: The TPIR pie scene with the youtube link above is a totally different scene. And the one mentioned in Hurley's holy grail list above is described so vaguely it could be about either one. But I'm pretty sure I remember a different holy grail list from Hurley where there was at least a short paragraph of description about what happened in each missing pie scene. And I do remember reading about the TPIR Roman chariot race pie scene in that. I guess I just missed the point at which it was actually rediscovered.

Back in the early days when Hurley was king of the pie mafia and before the internet was widely available and before Youtube existed and before the "WAM" culture was "outed" by the mainstream media, Hurley and his operatives used to be very active at writing letters in the early 90's to celebrities to ask them questions about lost pie scenes. I remember Hurley had a pie fan friend in Las Vegas called Mike and he was always writing letters to famous people to ask them pie questions....and most of them were kind enough to reply to his letters.

I remember Hurley's contacts wrote to Steve Allen to ask him about his archives and whether he had the missing Playboy bunny pie fight on his show, and Steve Allen wrote back to say that he had many shows in his archives but he did not have that show either. Same thing with Mike Douglas who also replied to letters. Hurley and his operatives even succeeded in writing to certain local tv stars and persuaded them to take an on air pie as well.

It used to be easy to write to tv show hosts and tv stars and they would reply to such letters....because they were unaware of the sexual nature of the pie culture at that time.

Sadly, it is not feasible to write to Suzanne Somers or Marie Osmond today.....and ask them to recollect their memory of any pie scenes they did tin the past....because now the Wam culture hjas been "outed" by the mainstream media if we write letters today we are going to be viewed as stalkers or weirdos, and they are not likely to respond to our letters any more.

Which is a shame.....the pre internet era was a more innocent time for pie scene collectors.

I remember when the R J Gators restaurant chain in Florida used to have a "pie anyone at your table" deal for $5...and they would supply the pies. Pretty soon some people abused this offer and started throwing pies at people sitting at OTHER tables....and after some lawsuits were filed R J Gators ceased doing that any more.