gness7 said: You really have to do WAM for the love of the game. Or do straight-up porn with a little dab of chocolate syrup and see how much of the WAM audience you can skim off to go with the regular porn-loving audience.
I think it is clear that a producer strike is coming and the only way to stop it is to investing in transparent gunge! Do normal porn shoots with invisible gunge to get that sweet vanilla money. Re-edit the films to reveal the mess in the infrared, duh. ??? Profit
johnnypie said: The ugly reality is....most pie producers here have zero imagination. The scenes are boring and have stayed the same since I joined here when UMD first stated (on my second profile.)
Nothing changes. When I see a new pie vid there's a 95% chance it's a solo girl, sitting in a chair (or maybe even standing!) getting hit with a pie from the "mystery hand" or self-pieing.
Okay, a little reality check here. I just went through the most recent three pages of the Messy Forum and opened up the first 20 posts I came across advertising a new pie video. Now, there's a lot of latitude in what you might consider a "pie video" -- I went ahead and included anything that had pies in it, insofar as I could see, even if there were other forms of mess too. I also excluded things that were obvious re-postings or compilations of previously released videos, and all videos where no females received a pie.
I found that nearly half -- 9 of the 20 most recently posted pie videos, or 45% -- had two or more girls in them, and definitely weren't just a solo girl self-pieing or getting hit by a "mystery hand" throwing pies. If you need proof, I'm including a screencap from each of these 9 videos.
Now, I understand that maybe every single one of these videos might violate one or more of your other preferences, and thus not be what you're looking for. But your blanket statement above describing what 95% of all new pie videos are like just does remotely not hold water.
johnnypie said: The ugly reality is....most pie producers here have zero imagination. The scenes are boring and have stayed the same since I joined here when UMD first stated (on my second profile.)
Nothing changes. When I see a new pie vid there's a 95% chance it's a solo girl, sitting in a chair (or maybe even standing!) getting hit with a pie from the "mystery hand" or self-pieing.
It is boring as all living hell. Stop it....please....stop it.
For pie producers - you're counting on news sales from the same tired scenes only based on having a new model.
I run a different fetish business and I'll tell you right now, if I treated that as pie producers treat this one, I'd be out of business. Same shit...different girl? That's just played out. I'd get the bare minimum sales, not maximum.
Biting my tongue, not going to use lots of nasty words for you after your comment.
What an ass.
We have done public scripted pies, we have done PiekemonGo, we have done restaurant tit 4 tat, we have done pie the stand up comedienne, we have done pie games and lots of random scenes, we have even done the "spin the wheel" mess thing you rather un-originally mentioned. We have also done LOADS of multi girl pie scenes. We have done ycdtoti.com, with a pie scene in an aeroplane cockpit. We have done so many original methods of a girl getting hit in the face with a pie (which in effect is in itself an incredibly repetitive subject matter).
Not just us but many other producers have great ideas and concepts, now for whatever reason you didn't buy them or enjoy them, or even remember them?
It could be that you don't like how our girls were dressed, it could be that you don't like our pie mix, it could be that you just don't like British people? Or you simply don't like our girls full stop? That is down to your tastes, more than our creativity.
It makes me fucking mad when a jack ass like you claiming to have vast experience in some other unmentioned fetish comes in here and makes a sweeping statements attacking and insulting all the pie producers.
Do it, use your vast fetish producing experience and shoot a fucking amazing, original pie scene, that will blow us all away with you superior creativity and imagination.
Don't be surprised though, if you create your masterpiece and launch it full of pride, only for it to sell really badly, due to you not covering enough niches within niches, then get forgotten about by some jack ass who doesn't share your EXACT tastes for what he wants, the pie, the girl, the clothes, the setting and scenario, even the girl's hair colour, or excess or lack of tattoos. Who then comes here and says he has never seen anyone be creative making pie scenes.
Since you lack reading skills, allow me to repost this part:
"When I see a new pie vid there's a 95% chance it's a solo girl, sitting in a chair (or maybe even standing!) getting hit with a pie from the "mystery hand" or self-pieing."
Since you lack reading skills, allow me to repost this part:
"When I see a new pie vid there's a 95% chance it's a solo girl, sitting in a chair (or maybe even standing!) getting hit with a pie from the "mystery hand" or self-pieing."
That statement is 100% true.
I think his point still stands, though:
You're coming across as a bit of an ass, adding to the rude banter in your earlier post.
What I don't understand is, you *know* how difficult this business is, personally, and yet make same accusatory preferences for those you don't like or have preference of? Seriously, how much irony can your responses have?
I was teasing...but yes, I did read your post (and several comments)...and your queston is valid, of course, but it's just a sub-folder in a higher level folder of 'what kind of wam do you prefer'? (maybe it cold be re-labeled as 'what hold my attention longest?', or similar. That's all. My point was it's erotica/fetishism...it's ALL about those essential/key details that excite that one particular brain circuit...
It's a sub-topic of the usual "personal preference" thing, sure, but I do have a few things I will specifically skip past in videos I otherwise enjoy. First on the list is any non-brief scenes of just feet. There are those with foot fetishes, then there's the opposite like me. Kind of along the same lines, I very much prefer model's faces be in as much of the video as possible. I'll lose interest if it goes too long without their faces in the shot. Both of these things are also true of videos that aren't specifically WAM related, as one might guess.
Two of my biggest turn-offs in videos, be they WAM or not, can also cause problems with small bits in videos I otherwise love: if the model tries to act and do any kind of scripted dialog, or if they are not having fun and are clearly disliking the experience. On the latter, that can manifest itself in something like an A to Z video that I very much enjoy where they're clearly having fun and/or goofing around for most of it, but there's that one or two substances that genuinely gross them out and they're genuinely not having fun with it. I'll usually skip that bit. It wouldn't be unlikely for me to even do my own custom edit of personal favorite vids to remove moments like these.