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"Has it all been done?"
Love you, too
Maybe it's just a personal bias or the presence of a vocal minority, but there seems to be quite the market for more humiliation / bdsm style wam 
Oh, and more f/f too please
On topic; I guess it comes down to producers having to take risks, expecially with new or experimental content that goes away from the 'tried and true' formula.
Oh, and more f/f too please
On topic; I guess it comes down to producers having to take risks, expecially with new or experimental content that goes away from the 'tried and true' formula.
coolie48 said:
On topic; I guess it comes down to producers having to take risks, expecially with new or experimental content that goes away from the 'tried and true' formula.
On topic; I guess it comes down to producers having to take risks, expecially with new or experimental content that goes away from the 'tried and true' formula.
That's a perspective. Personally I have found both more interesting and attractive and more profitable to find girls that can relax and bring their personality to the camera.
You could stick miss world in front of camera and do what the hell you like to her, but if she is uninterested, bored or disliking anything from what's going on to the crew... that video ain't worth shit.
Get her interested, shoot it well, push her buttons to have fun and you would be a millionaire even if she was wearing jeans and a t-shirt and it was a single well made pie.
noise said:
Ah, of course. It's not your fault your stuff doesn't sell, it's the customers.
The problem isn't that you don't understand what they want, it's that they don't understand what you want them to want!
StrapOnPiegirls said: The wam scene is done. It's become quite boring. Nothing new to see. All the ideas have been done 10 times over. It's just a rehash of the same old stuff over and over again. Very repetitive. Same models, or same type of models, same scenarios, etc, every time. Seriously, how many times can you keep paying to see the same model pied. We've always tried to do something a bit different, but people seem to prefer seeing the same thing over and over again. For that reason alone we decided to not be just another small fish in a big sea of diluted wam. Me and my significant other now make wam pretty much for our own enjoyment. There are a few pie producers who got in at the right time, built up a big and steady following, and have never looked back. Any "new" material has already been done. Anyone making minimal profits, or no profit, or breaking even - and is doing it just for the "love of wam" is full of crap. The wam scene is over. If anything "new" comes out, please let me know. I'd really like to see it.
Ah, of course. It's not your fault your stuff doesn't sell, it's the customers.
The problem isn't that you don't understand what they want, it's that they don't understand what you want them to want!
Our stuff has always sold. We just decided to distance ourselves from the wam scene a bit, because there's more to life than spending every waking moment shooting, producing, and editing wam videos. Especially in a wam scene that is VERY diluted and rather mundane in our opinion. We still shoot, but it's more for personal enjoyment.
I see you are still posting videos that were shot by a scammer named Chris.
Agree with a couple of posters above. The f/f humiliation arena has hardly been touched. Public foodfights/messing people up you would think that humiliation based scenarios would be more prolific yet strangely most producers seem to shy away from it, and if they do give it a go it is usually men messing up women, not f/f scenes. There are a significant number of scenes and storylines that could be explored in this area which could link into a whole load of other fetishis, bdsm, uniforms, role playing, bondage and restraint etc that have yet to be explored properly. I think a lot of people are bored with the "stick a giggling bikini clad model in front of a camera and throw pies at her from off camera, job done" style videos rather than the WAM scene itself. Their is a lot of untapped potential for ideas out there. It just needs to get out of a creative rut.
StrapOnPiegirls said:d to distance ourselves from the wam scene a bit, because there's more to life than spending every waking moment shooting, producing, and editing wam videos. Especially in a wam scene that is VERY diluted and rather mundane in our opinion. We still shoot, but it's more for personal enjoyment.
By that, you mean you jumped the shark quite a ways back?
I see you are still posting videos that were shot by a scammer named Chris.
Business is business, but I had a nice large part in hounding him out of here. It's paid for new videos for me to make or have other people make.
You're welcome.
Yeah, but your kind of business is bad business. You may not have scammed people, but you're trying to profit from videos that were produced by a guy who scammed the community countless times. Many of the videos that you are trying to sell were made at the expense of forum members who were screwed out of money. So that makes you as guilty as Chris. You can drone on about how you called him out to the community for 2 years, and nobody listened, blah, blah, blah, in an attempt to save face and make yourself look innocent. But it's all moot, because you're still trying to sell his videos. You can rationalize it all you want.
Honestly, I don't know why you get a free pass here. Considering all the self righteous phonies on this forum, I thought there would be more outrage that you are still trying to profit from Chris's videos.
Long live Chris! Thanks Noise.
Honestly, I don't know why you get a free pass here. Considering all the self righteous phonies on this forum, I thought there would be more outrage that you are still trying to profit from Chris's videos.
Long live Chris! Thanks Noise.
Saturation Hall, Langstonedale
Lord of the Pies
Sillysod said: Agree with a couple of posters above. The f/f humiliation arena has hardly been touched. Public foodfights/messing people up you would think that humiliation based scenarios would be more prolific yet strangely most producers seem to shy away from it, and if they do give it a go it is usually men messing up women, not f/f scenes. There are a significant number of scenes and storylines that could be explored in this area which could link into a whole load of other fetishis, bdsm, uniforms, role playing, bondage and restraint etc that have yet to be explored properly. I think a lot of people are bored with the "stick a giggling bikini clad model in front of a camera and throw pies at her from off camera, job done" style videos rather than the WAM scene itself. Their is a lot of untapped potential for ideas out there. It just needs to get out of a creative rut.
We released a scene last year where Miss Pink, in a full latex outfit, was chained to the dungeon wall (with proper steel chains) and the first spray-tickled, and then mercilessly hosed down, with cold water, by Felicity the Serving Wench. And then at the end both of them got thoroughly bucketed from off camera. http://wench.gungemaster.com/samples/gm-2w102/i2.html
That scene is still in the Members Lounge at the moment, will rotate out in a few weeks, will be interesting to see how it does in the download store.
Saturation Hall - Forth! The Gungemaidens!
StrapOnPiegirls said: Many of the videos that you are trying to sell were made at the expense of forum members who were screwed out of money. So that makes you as guilty as Chris.
You know way more about it than I do then. I don't know what videos are what or how they were paid for let alone what he spent what money on.
More to the point, you have zero idea of the circumstances leading up to our taking over his material. Let alone who the fuck "we" are.
Also, it's none of your fucking business so you'll probably never know.
I don't get a pass on anything because I don't need one. If I did, it would be because i'm frankly... fucking awesome and bring a lot to the community here.
I find someone who thinks torturing a muslim woman as a theme to a fetish video is acceptable trying to go for the moral high ground... quite amusing.
Please, carry on entertaining me. Maybe some more farcical attempts at blaming me for someone else's behavior by way of stretching logic ... those are my favorite.
One thing that I've hardly seen used at all is carbonated soft drinks either poured over a person, or shook up and sprayed on a person.
To me, it is very hot to see the bubbling drink over a lady!
DungonMaster1 has done it a couple of times, and maybe the Moomins. I've really enjoyed the effect and would love to see it used more!
Norman
To me, it is very hot to see the bubbling drink over a lady!
DungonMaster1 has done it a couple of times, and maybe the Moomins. I've really enjoyed the effect and would love to see it used more!
Norman
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