Nonsense! And I told my neighborhood blacksmith that just the other day.

The hysteria in this discussion is amazing. And why I will now climb back into my bunker.

In my case, no one here makes WAM that caters to my interests (sure, some *technically* tick the boxes, but "technically" doesn't cut it when it comes to visual pleasure). On top of that, my specific fetish (ultra-formal attire with jewelry, styled hair, etc) is prohibitively expensive for me to engage in in real life (hence the main reason I only actually get my dresses wet and not messy).

I've looked into customs to fulfill my desires, and the costs are even further beyond the average custom price because most models just don't have the type of stuff I'm into in their wardrobes, and if they do, they aren't willing to trash them. So on top of the cost of the custom, I'd have to buy all the items (the producers I looked into don't accept Goodwill lingerie, and in some cases, wouldn't accept used clothing in general, so the dress and shoes and everything would also have to be brand new), pay for shipping, hope the items I bought are what was actually pictured, and then hope the models go through with the whole process of getting dressed up fancy with hair and makeup and everything, and perform in a way I'll enjoy.

For the customs I looked into, I'd be looking at a full month's pay or more, just for a single-model, single-scene 30-minute video. For a producer, you might eventually recoup those costs by selling it in your store (probably not though, since my custom would be so niche). For me? I get a video that may or may not even satisfy what I was looking for in the first place, and am out a month's pay either way.

You belittling potential customers for not being able to afford customs is one of the reasons people like me don't bother trying for customs anymore. AI is a bandaid for that problem, but as many have said here, AI just doesn't have the same benefits as real people doing WAM. Many of us who use AI for WAM purposes would gladly buy customs if we had the money to afford them. And I'm pretty sure 90+% of us AI users would drop AI if we had both the money and a partner/models to produce our own.


All that said, I'll make my own AI stuff but will never try to sell it, and am very unlikely to buy anyone else's AI-produced WAM (with the exception of AI use in editing, as Nostalgic Erotic Prod mentioned). I genuinely want human-produced WAM to remain human-produced.

There are many producers here that have made that kind of content. I know because I have purchased it. There are also producers whose actions have lead to them being banned from this site that made that kind of content. It is getting harder to find that kind of content. I think it is a cost thing. However, I know that JD and Andi already make the formal content you are describing and depending on your definition of ultra formal, may have already made it. I know that they work with second hand clothing sometimes. I don't know if they offer customs, but they might fit your niche since it is already in their wheel house.

I've been on this site for a long time, years before I made an actual account, and have only seen a very small handful of videos or photo sets that actually fulfilled what I've been looking for. Messy Jessie made one of my all-time favorites, but even that wasn't quite what I was looking for. Jayce, Bri, RevSlymsford, and a few others have made ones that were close, but not quite what I was hoping for.

Yes, there is a lot of formal wam, but not formal wam that ticks all my boxes. While I enjoy a wide variety of WAM, I am very picky when it comes to what I enjoy most. My ultimate fantasies aren't being produced, and are growing more unaffordable than ever.

Like I said, they might *technically* tick the boxes, but *technically* doesn't cut it when it comes to visual pleasure.

This. This post is why WAM is going to be a huge trouble as AI advances. I'm also very picky when it comes to my pie fetish. Has to be a multiple girl scene, hard pie hits, humiliation, etc...and ever since I joined this forum (since its inception, I'm on my second user name) I can count on one hand the pie videos that have been produced that met those requirements. Rob Blaine's 12 girl pie fight was one of them. now 99% of what's being produced for pie vids is "girl sits in chair, gets hit with 50 pies." Yawn.

I'm optimistic about the relationship between AI and live-action WAM videos.

While some people may become satisfied with AI videos and stop buying existing live-action content, I believe there will always be a certain percentage of people who value the fact that "real people are actually doing WAM", no matter how much AI advances.

However, it will become increasingly difficult to distinguish whether short videos, say 10 seconds long, are AI-generated or live-action. My Twitter timeline is already flooded with AI-generated videos. For those seeking live-action content, searching online could become increasingly inefficient going forward.

In such a situation, the track record and credibility of producers or websites -- like "this producer only releases live-action videos" or "this website only features live-action content"-- will become increasingly important. For live-action producers, I believe it will be crucial not to release AI-generated videos half-heartedly.

To be fair, I should add that I am not an AI skeptic. I use AI on a daily basis. This post was translated by AI.

This description is excellent.

Most users of AI have no training in art or illustration. They think more detail means more realistic, and it doesn't. Stuff like Veo 3 and Kling nails the detail but fails on the form. A lot of the YouTube AI WAM creators put a lot of effort into getting it to make a 'contraption' and seem to disregard the fact that the mess looks singularly unconvincing. The more of this there is, the less that people can see the potential of what is currently possible if you do your own finetuning.

I honestly think the future is people making their own personal material rather than "AI producers" selling their own AI video to other people.

A big part of my WAM enjoyment is the actual mess itself and not even how messy it gets. So, knowing that someone is not actually getting messy takes me out of a good bit, so much so that I can barely enjoy any WAM that I see now unless I'm 100% sure that it is real.

I don't think there's any doubt that real WAM is better. I can't imagine paying for AI WAM someone else has produced.

That said, getting customs is a pain in the neck. Twice this year I"ve tried to order one from different producers. One we negotiated for a while, agreed a price, and then they stopped replying. The second one agreed a price, took my money, then didn't do it. So if I can get what I want artificially, but it still looks realistic enough, then I'm ok with creating it myself and avoiding all that hassle.

I hope you got your money back. If not, please let MM know and let others on the site know about the producers actions. Others may be suffering in silence after having the same thing done to them. People who are not going to make the custom once they have the money should not be approved by this site to offer customs.

Real WAM is the same as AI. Consuming internet pictures. If you haven't ever created real WAM material..STFU!.

Not even close for a number of factors. Any WAM producer will tell you that. Any model who has filmed WAM will tell you that.

Here I thought the disrespect for what producers of real WAM and models do had reached its peak. I was wrong. Please continue telling producers and models how worthless their talents are by claiming it is the same.

I've thought the same about CGI in movies/TV. If you pay close enough attention, you can still tell when it's real vs created with computers, especially when it comes to people and their faces. Motion capture and dedicated editing can do amazing things, but struggle with the subtle stuff that truly makes humans human.

I honestly don't expect AI or CGI to ever fully reach that point, because even we humans sometimes struggle with the uncanny valley. Like you said, we can tell something seems off, but can't always figure out what the issue is. Some people will be ok with that, some will consume at face value and not even notice the difference, and others will only consume human-made media.

Personally I don't think AI will ever capture the true expressions of someone being gunged. We have had some amazing models and it is always their reaction of being dunked or gunged that is the appeal. For many it's knowing how cold the tank can be or the anticipation of being sat on the seat waiting.

Another huge point, if AI were to take on the mainstream of WAM, how keen would you be for an "AI Session" or AI Gunge ? Without the producers using real models, real Gunge and materials, real gunge or dunk tanks as well as having the studio or space then sessions would no doubt end. The dream of actually being sat in a Gunge Tank would end up being some AI reality with some meta goggles or similar to experience the delights of a true gunging.

Not an AI fan. Just no but it's taking over anyway. Younger and older folks I know - some think it's amazing. While others like myself do not.

Thanks. I haven't got it back as of yet. I've asked but I'm now waiting to see if they ever action it. Messmaster does know about as the producer was approved to offer customs, but they're not anymore. I did create a thread on it a couple of months back, and I did have someone private message me saying they were in the same boat, but just the one.

I will never buy AI WAM content. I rarely buy real WAM content as it is, mostly due to how picky I am about what I like, so why would I pay money for a low-quality imitation?

And yes, it will stay low-quality. I don't buy the "it'll get better" argument. AI won't learn to make high-quality, flawlessly realistic work because that's not how it's used now. It's used for instant gratification, and to churn out slop for adverts and clickbait that panders to/tricks toddlers, the elderly, and other vulnerable people. The number of people using AI who actually care about a quality product is totally insignificant, because the people who care about quality products don't use AI.