I've been seeing a lot of videos involving the mass migration of illegals to Europe. Hopefully things don't go downhill, but from what I know, France has folded. Hope other countries don't lose their identies.

People who migrate only make our countries better. They bring their culture which enriches the cultures that already exist. In the case of Florida, illegal workers make up your hospitality industry and crop harvesting as well as other jobs. When you are a contributing member of society I have no problems with people migrating and welcome them. My ancestors migrated here illegally just like many others on this forum.

Well, in that case, America lost its identity long ago when some stupid white a** landed there. Who's sorry for that, today? Not many...

Ah yes, the dog-whistle of the "Illegals" noun.

Most folks are not illegal. That's our right-wing (re: bigoted/racist/fascist) media report. You can go to any country, by any method, as long as you intend to report to the proper authorities.

Now some ARE illegal, but why would they want to move? Normally they are forced out due to poverty, war, removal of rights etc so don't worry, they don't WANT to be in your shitty country (I include mine), they would prefer to be at home, but they just can't.

Finally, most migrants help the country they move too, by doing the jobs that the pompous arses occupying the country think are beneath them. They pay loads in taxes and keep things like food prices low.

Overall I would accept 100 migrants if we could kick out 1 racist, bigoted, low-IQ waste of space that shout about them.

How does that work when there are various offences committed by anyone who arrives in the UK without proper documents?

Possible offences include:
- Entering the UK without leave or arriving without entry clearance contrary to section 24 Immigration Act 1971 ("the 1971 Act")
- Possession of false identification documents with improper intention contrary to section 4 Identity Documents Act 2010
- Entering the UK without a passport contrary to section 2 Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants, etc.) Act 2004

Here's all the information about those crimes https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/immigration

What would you say is a sustainable number for arrivals by small boat per year?

"From what I know, France has folded".

What does that even mean?

All of those are covered by the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 and the 1951 Refugee Convention. The original post is correct, as long as they report immediately to authorities, they have a legal defense.

Now I don't think people should be crossing the channel in small boats... it's bloody dangerous. I used to work on the ferries out of Dover and being on one of those was scary enough at times, let alone a dingy with 60+ people on it. But there needs to be a much more common sense approach to it. There are very, very few ways to seek asylum in the UK... which means people have to do what they do.

Anywho, I'm not about to argue on here about all this because it's a can of worms... but thought I'd just correct that particular post.

No idea, but I bet you don't either. Have you even looked/thought about it? But, to humour you:

We throw away so much food that they can easily be fed.
We have so many empty houses, or owned by overseas investors or folks with a large landlord portfolio that could be limited, that we could easily house them.
There are jobs they can do, and set up their own.
Taxing mega corporations that have not paid anything for years and billionaires would easily cover help, NHS etc (this is a econimc fact, oft proven)
Not all would stay, depending on home/whim etc.

...So it's not really that hard, you just have to look at the economics and change it from benefiting the few to being fair and benefiting the population. Believe it or not, there used to be a huge tax on folks with more than 100mil.

But this would take a massive shift in point of view and empathy...and I guess it's easier to believe the Daily Fail and be a xenophobic bigot.

I hope people like that enjoy choosing hate, because it will eat them from the inside and will have no effect on civilised society.

The constant whipping up of outrage over migration is bait to get you to empower the political mouthpieces of the super-wealthy. None of these 'patriots' give a damn about immigrants or sovereignty or 'Bri'ish values', it's to hide the real agenda of smashing up your rights, freedoms and protections so that billionaires can get even richer (you can substitute immigration for climate action, fossil fuel companies are getting really spooked and pumping money into FUD over renewables, EVs, active travel, etc). Have a look at who donated to the Brexit campaign and who funds Reform etc. As a general rule, anyone trying to panic you that your way of life is under threat is probably the biggest threat themselves.

Makes me remember this little story:

Three people are sitting around a table: a banker, a citizen and an immigrant. On the table, there is a bowl of 20 cookies.

The banker immediately takes 19 cookies and tells the citizen: "Look out, the immigrant is going to take your cookie!".

You must have some idea as you're saying they should be allowed into the country.

Resources and services are finite so there has to be a limit to the number of boat migrants that this country can support.

Let's make the question simpler as we're just talking rough ball park numbers
One thousand a year?
Two thousand a year?
Five thousand?
Ten thousand?
Fifty thousand?
One hundred thousand?
Half a million?
One million?

Where would you draw the line?

One of the ways to help stop the number of assylum seekers would be for the richest countries (USA, UK, France, Saudi Arabia, China, India etc) to stop funding wars, bombing countries and cut the amount of damage done to the environment. But we we won't because the amount of money in the arms trade is too high. The USA needs constant conflict and arms races to keep pushing the sales. The more wars, the more destruction and instability caused, the more refugees - it's simple.

The other major player in this, is climate change. But as we can see, the fossil fuel lobby has huge money, and have bought so many politicians. Despite green energy being cheaper over the whole life span, and considerably less susceptible of the global price of oil and Gas, we still have politicians pushing the myth that oil and gas power is where we should be investing. And no, before anyone says about north sea oil and gas - that is sold on the global market, like it is elsewhere too. It's how global markets work.

But to the OP, I wouldn't listen less to Faux news, I mean Fox news, the liar in chief and the right wing media owned by the media oligarchs like Murdoch, Dacre, Springer and so many others. Their agenda is do whatever they can to further their interests and make sure they pay as little as possible out to accumulate as much wealth and power as possible.

I'd say that there's a limit to the number of people that a country can support (i.e. a maximum viable population size), but it's not specific to boat migrants. E.g. if you sealed the borders and stopped anyone new coming in, but then all existing families started having 7 kids, you'd still wind up with overpopulation. So, I don't think it makes sense to focus on immigration as the sole factor.

As many as want to come. Because I don't turn away people who need help because of some made up resource BS used by xenophobes, bigots and fascists.

Let them all come, let us be an example of how to treat people properly, like humans and not political tools.

I will take the whole lot of them because turning 1 away is a stain on our nation.

I WOULD WELCOME EVERY SINGLE ONE OVER ANY UK BIGOT YOU CAN MENTION.

Hope that answers your question....I await the shift in goalposts while ignoring the important parts of my previous posts as is the want to do of 'your kind'.

"your kind"

What do you mean by that? Please do elaborate so that I don't misinterpret what you're saying

Why would you be throwing phrases like that around when you're also talking about how to treat people properly?

Getting back to the topic at hand, how is what I've said about resources being finite "some made up bs"?

Are you saying that resources are infinite? Public services are incredibly strained and many are almost at breaking point. If that doesn't show that resources aren't unlimited then I don't know what other examples can be given.

To echo your words, "What do you mean by that?"

Putting it another way, is this a problem that could be solved by adding extra people? E.g. extra doctors/nurses in NHS hospitals.

Or is the problem that the public services are under-funded? If so, would it help to have more people paying tax?

If only it were as simple as just adding more doctors, nurses, teachers, police, paramedics, courts, council staff and every other human resource across all public services.

That takes lots of time. Spending on the NHS as a percentage of GDP has been increasing for years and years which would suggest that it's more complicated that the levels of funding public services receive.

When the first humans walked the earth, they walked and migrated to every corner of the planet. The difference now is that a journey which once took weeks or months takes hours. And the differences between the rich and the poor is getting bigger and bigger. So, if you're starving, dying of thirst and persecuted in a less developed country, I guess that the best thing to do is to bow your head to your betters and thank Trump for cancelling the aid which kept the most desperate people in the world alive. God help us. Peter

Yes, you've said it all.
Thanks, Peter

And yet this is exactly what the UK did in the post-WW2 years when there was a shortage of labour - they invited Jamaicans, West Africans and Indians here, amongst others, to fill needed job roles. The same is true for countries like West Germany who encouraged Turkish people to settle for the same reason. Even today there are plenty of industries that rely on immigrant labour; a key reason why there have been shortages of fruit and veg at times is because it's been more difficult to get seasonal migrant workers who are the only ones who will do such work, thanks in large part to our 'independance' after Brexit. Huge percentages of carers are immigrants.

Britain got rich enough to be attractive to economic migrants in the first place on the basis of wealth derived from slavery, exploitation and gunboat diplomacy (and isn't it interesting how the Opium Wars, the Triangular Trade, the East India Company and the Bengal Famine are common knowledge amongst the supposedly ignorant kids of my generation, who apparently need to have some patriotism drummed into them by learning about British History, which means just the glorified bits of WW2). We are in no position to be whinging that someone might be trying to get something for nothing.

The US did the exact same thing and we have all kinds of battles that we should know about as common knowledge and things we did to people that should be common knowledge. Black Wall Street should be taught in schools and how we destroyed it should be taught but isin't. The reason it isin't being taught is because parents don't want to have conversations with their children about why this was wrong and why we did what we did. Parents also don't want their kids educated about this and other atrocities we have committed as a nation because they do not see anything wrong with what was done.

Europe has migrated before. It used to be part of Pangea the mega continent. It's bound to migrate again over time. I don't grasp why anybody takes issue with that. It's the natural way of things.

I grew up in a white enclave in the north east of England, never met a black person until I was 18. And yet all i heard was fuckin all this and all that about migrants from all these upper class white people or these BNP thugs who used to try and recruit at our school.

Yknow what our problems were and still are? White shit. White people rape, they murder, they scam each other, all this shit happened in our community. Did the racists and fascists have anything to say about that? Did they fuck.

I moved to Manchester when i was 18, met loads of different people who had moved here from all around the world. One of my best friends is a Moroccan whos about to become a lawyer. Shes made more out of herself here than any of the whites blaming migrants for their own faults.

It was American finance, British neoliberalism, big powerful corporations that fucked us and deliberately tore down our industries and our communities. We fought hard against the powers, we allied with the LGBT movement, the black working class, we made attempts to unite our forces and save our communities. It sickens me now when instead i hear this selfish "all for me" bullshit which only ends up with us begging for crumbs at the mercy of elites. You will never trick me to think that our decline is the fault off a refugee from a war in the Middle East started by British and American militaries.

Europeans collapse Europe, its in living memory of two world wars that killed millions. Nowt to do with any migrant.

The pseudointellectuals talking about numbers and resources be up front. You hate the others. Stop trying yer dogwhistle rubbish. And have a wonder why you dont have this vitriol for all the upper class folk who control yer lives and decide yer whims

Migrant: *gets successful in their career/job*

White bigots: "Migrants have more privilege than us! NOT FAIR!"


Migrant: *struggles to have a decent life*

White bigots: "Migrants are useless and take advantage of our country. NOT FAIR!"

Due to a bunch of bleeding heart liberals being in power America was full of some very nasty Illegal Immigrants, I am an immigrant, came here legally, as should everyone. If your breaking the law I have 'Zero' sympathy, would no be surprised if a lot of these people America is now kicking out make their way to Europe, many European Countries will welcome them and their criminal intent, give em a place to live, money and a cell phone!!! While the locale's suffer!

What makes you think that all people who come into a place illegally have criminal intentions? What evidence do you have of this? Yes spouting the free place to live, money, cell phone etc. Prove that as well please. Site your sources.

Well first of all if your going to express a firm opinion here at least have the decency to verify your account, step up don't be a cowered! Otherwise we have no idea if your a 12 year old in his Mom's basement LOL.

I might also ask what qualifies you to question me? I am allowed to express an opinion, yes?

I was born in England, spent my youth there, was there for many months this year! I also live ion the East Coast of America, open your eyes and its very clear. No where is free and America is NOT a democracy, its a republic, a lot of Europeans don't know that.

'Illegals'. Really? Fuck this racist bullshit.

Someone spouting bullshit and being called on it resorting to generalities that have nothing to do with the statements they made. Oh boy, you are verified. All that means is you can post nude pictures. Since I don't post nude pictures, no need to verify myself. Being verified does not give you any kind of validity with your statements. It really doesn't mean shit as various conversations in here have proven. We have had people verified that were not even the ones posting the comments.

UMD is one of the last holdouts. Soon, you will have to register with a Government ID to get in to any Adult site, posting or not, they will still want to know who you are.