Just a quick question I have with planning some messy Sessions in due course.

For example I was thinking in the preview shots to show the full outfit, but in the messy session to take my heels off, solely as just bought and not 100% sure how they may take the mess as much as I would like to get them wet and messy.

My question is does that alter your thoughts of a scene if say certain clothing from a leather or smart jacket or a pair of heels are shown in the scene initially but the person getting wet or messy takes them off.

Just gives me an idea too as initially had 3 scenes planned out but may go to 2 with the 3rd done differently depending on the feedback of this post I'd imagine.

In a scene for sale, if something shown as part of an outfit in the clean shots is removed before the scene starts, then you absolutely MUST both mention that clearly in the text description *and* take and show at least one clean shot of the outfit as actually worn into the mess. Otherwise you run the risk of someone who's specific fetish is seeing the missing item get messy feeling they have been scammed, resulting in negative forum posts, bad reviews, refunds, and charge-backs.

Way back in the early days of download stores I remember someone posting scenes with preview shots fully dressed, "fully clothed" in the tags, but the models stripped before getting messy. MM clamped down on that straight away, you can only tag a scene fully clothed if the clothes stay on for the messing.

As long as its made very clear to a prospective customer that the shoes are removed unmessed, it should be OK, but take care not to accidentally get anyone's hopes up just to dash them.

Yes. Very much so.

I've been disappointed to find a garment in promo pics I'd presumed was to be worn during the messy action removed. I'm not a fan of strip games where the strip happens before the mess.

Perfectly understandable, as I have prepared the relevant posts in advance to cover my back, as I doubt my scenes will be for sale as will probably just be some photos & the odd video to go with I suspect. But regardless I know if in the initial shot I show a pair of heels & in the rest of the shots I'm not wearing or even then I am but don't get wet or messy, can go against me too. Glad I put this up now as certainly covers my back as it were.

Know that feeling, luckily no strip games from me, haven't got the figure for it either all wet and messy will be clothed & varied between barefoot or heels on.

During, however, is fine with me

Yes, sometimes it's certain clothes that make me excited about a WAM scene, and if they get removed too early it's disappointing.

In my opinion, if you're going to take clothes off,
A. They should be fully messy already (for example, getting messy in a jacket and then taking it off to get what's underneath messy as well) and B. Preferably you put it back on at the end of the shoot to show how messy it is. At least in fully clothed wam, if you want the scene to end naked or in sex it's understandable.

For me, my big thing is underwear/clothes filling.

If in the video the model goes down to naked before getting messy, then I'm not quite as interested in it as if they were still wearing those items at the time .

I never like the extra added layers that get taken off long after the scene starts, this is wet or messy. Let's at least see the dry/clean outfit before those layers are added.
I agree with those who don't like too much undressing before the mess start. In those cases, don't market it as a WAM thing, to me it's an undressing thing with a little WAM on the side.

I wouldn't take clothes if they were not wet or messy for me in a shoot, got to give them some treatment as it were, I only get naked post shoot and cleaning up if needed. As it's only the shoes in my case which will come off during the shoot whether this be as not got the time to clean them up and dry them if too wet or messy and or for the shoot in mind I don't want them ruined. But cheers for the feedback and can understand where you're coming from.

Clothes or shoes filling does hit the spot sometimes, so can understand there. Cheers for this

Ok interesting note, as 1 scene in mind is taking a jacket & heels off as want to ensure when they do get messy it is good and proper as the outfit in general I'm wearing is the focus, but suppose everyone views things differently.

i agree with raindancer,if i see a scene with the photos showing what they are wearing then i would like to see that ALL the way through, right to the very end. I find it disappointing when the clothing gets removed before the end, ie jacket/coat gets removed then you see the under garments for ths remaining several minutes. If they want to do that, then i would like the coat/jacket to be put back on again.

For me: I'd rather the model not taking off the clothes in the moment she get wammed. Specially, a leather or a smart jacket. For me, it's like calling me to a Thanksgiving Day dinner(for you in USA; in Brazil, this would be in Christmas), then put the turkey on the table during all the time and then, when you'll finally start to eat, somebody take away the turkey and... you eats no turkey. Frustrating, you were waiting all the time for nothing.

For me, it always have to start with a pie in the face. Face, not hair. Only then, only after I watch the woman face, all gorgeous in her clothes, with the face totally covered in cream, only then, the whole thing can happen. In my example: First the turkey, after, the dessert.

For me it's a big bonus when the model becomes barefoot during the scene and/or wears footwear that shows her toes. The feet don't have to be focused on at all. I just like that they are at least occasionally visible.

Like I said when it comes to Wam videos feet/foot wear are just a bonus.

I'm attracted to feet, so I prefer to see the model take off her footwear as quickly as passible, or else be barefooted at the beginning of the shoot.

There are a number of issues regarding some videos. As previously mentioned, the garment, that might have been the main reason you bought the video, being either removed before getting too wet or messy and then never reappearing. Sometimes the main garment does get wet or messy, but again, it's involvement in the video might barely make it to halfway through the video. Personally, one thing that irritates me as a fan of leather clothing, is when a video proports to contain leather, when in fact it is usually imitation, or pleather, to give it its more common name, or is nothing more than lycra. Lycra on its own does not interest me and pleather is basically plastic and plastic getting wet is relatively meaningless. I could try and accept that the producers either overlook these facts, or simply try to avoid confusion by using a generalisation, but I actually believe that they know exactly what they are doing. Honesty should be prevalent and important, no matter what you are selling.

I think in some cases of that which I've seen it's actually been producers with little experience or knowledge of non-mainstream fashion, who've been duped by dodgy eBay sellers labelling garments actually made of "wetlook fabric" as leather / latex / pvc etc. If the producer doesn't know what real latex looks, smells, and feels like, they might sell such a scene in good faith, not realising. In my case I hang out on the alternative scene, half my friends wear latex or pvc on a frequent basis, but it's rather less common in mainstream life.


Absolutely, this is vital. I try and write detailed descriptions of the outfits for all of our scenes, and make sure to specify whether things that look like leather are genuine skin or plastic. For example in this one the girls wear real leather jeans but pleather jackets, I made a point of mentioning that twice in the description, just to make sure real leather fans would know exactly what they are getting: https://umd.net/download_info/messy-lesbians-in-leather

Anyone deliberately misdescribing scenes will be on a hiding to nothing, people with fetishes for leather or latex will soon spot such subterfuge and most likely demand refunds.

This video was very accurately described. I actually bought it, but knew exactly what was involved and was extremely pleased with it. Had the jeans also been pleather, then I probably would not have bought it, or would have been seriously annoyed if I had been misled.

The point of WAM to me is seeing things forbidden. A large part of that is seeing nice clothing "ruined" with pies, slime, mud, etc. Or seeing the complete outfit drenched with water. Showing a photo of the clothed model without seeing that clothing affected just does not do it for me. I am different than some replies in that I enjoy seeing a winter coat removed to see the clothing underneath destroyed as well. After that clothing is destroyed, lingerie and even a nude model getting completely covered is nice. But each item of clothing must be messy before it is discarded. AllWam was a favorite site back in the day. One feature that made it special was the wearing of jewelry (necklaces, broaches, etc.) during the food fight or mud wrestling. Purses, hats and other accessories were thrown into the water along with all other clothing on the model. The same into the mud unless it was a mud wrestling scene. Then earrings or other items that might hurt the model were removed. When shoes were removed, it was after the models had stepped int the mud with them on.

When I get messy in layers I like to remove the layer and get it messy inside as well as the clothes underneath. Like when I wear a wool coat or a blazer. I like to put it back on and feel the mess inside the clothes. It's something very nice to me. I dislike when people remove an item and never put it back on. I especially hate when they wear shoes up until the mess.

For sure we All have Our own preferences for Me an outfit has to have footwear. I hate clips Where the footwear is removed before the mess starts. I've lost count of the times I've looked at purchasing a clip and then seen the footwear removed in the video caps and I just move on and don't purchase. Expensive shoes are pretty hardy trust me . Nothing better then Josephine being naughty in a pair of expensive heels, washing them clean and allow to dry before she wears them in to work knowing what they have been through! Same goes for some of her work wear. Knowing it's heading into the shower on her return for A soaking or gunging. Never set out to destroy just be naughty in. Pretty much everything lives To be worn again.

Keep the shoes on and get messy!!! Dare you!!!

Mudcole.

Josephine was great to watch so many great clips over the years. So you are suggesting in essence I keep the heels on for the initial sessions I have planned and treat them to a WAM Session?

The heels are just the perfect addition to the outfit.
If they're removed, then the outfit is not complete.

They'll wash up fine, even if you trash them good !
Trust me, if they're fine shoes, they'll take the abuse like real troopers

And I know what it means to mess my heels multiple times !
I had to get rid of 3 or 4 pairs over the years. My least durable pair was trashed 7 or 8 times before reaching the point of no return. And when I mean 7 or 8 times, it includes heavy shoe filling with all kinds of mess !

So just go for it !

Shoes gotta come off, socks getting messy are sexy but those gotta eventually come off too, I wanna see her bare feet all messy

Well the heels I'll be wearing are satin ankle boots. Aim to get them messy outside with various substances & wet too. See how it goes, as I've worn many heels for multiple sessions with no problems at all. See how it goes at last.