It may be a holdover from my having been introduced via MessyFun, but I've always thought that the best kick-off to a pie fight between women is the building tension, capped off with a move that seems intentional, and is met with a deadpan "Oops" and a smirk, kicking off the proceedings.

"Ariel's Pie Shop" -- Ariel drops a pie on Kassandra, offers a halfhearted apology with some attitude
"12 Girl Pie Fight"--Womam running in smashes someone's face into a cake accidentally, gives an "Oops, sorry."

I mean, there's something to be said for getting right into it and just letting them fly, but I've always thought the kind of cattiness beforehand always set up the dismissive behavior in the pie fight.

Alone on this? Any non-MF ones? MG for the most part kind of gets right into it.

For many, the set up is crucial. For others, not so much or not at all.

We all have our psychological WAM "triggers." It's why it's next to impossible to make a WAM vid that pleases everyone all the time.

In fact if Abraham Maslow were a Wammer, we would probably have a "Hierarchy of WAM Needs"

I loved Rob's stuff because he DID the set up. But, the set up takes time, patience and pretty much a storyboard at least in your head from a creative point of view.

It also takes an actor/actress who understands what you are trying to do.

Robby

Part of the problem is newer creators haven't seen a lot of the older material (like Ariel's Pie Shop) and never will because they're just gone and no longer available. Same for Bill Shipton's SPLOSH stuff. So many things just come and go in the marketplace never to return.

Also, much of the TV/Film material that informed these productions is no longer viewable or even available to more recent generations. Out of sight, out of mind, out of production.

I'm sure there at least a few scenes in this vein from other producers, but the one that springs to mind is a great one that was done just a few years ago by Fetish Couple (a producer that has since re-branded as Wam Artistry).

I don't remember the two models' names offhand, but there is a redhead and a dark-haired model. The redhead starts things off by "accidentally" pieing the brunette -- it's clearly intentional but she acts as though it were an accident. I don't know that she says "ooops" necessarily but she definitely says something indicating an accident and apologizes immediately. And then she precedes to pie her several more times in fairly rapid succession, each time acting as though it were an accident when it clearly isn't. One of the times she says she's getting the pie victim something to wipe off her face, but she just slams another pie into her face and then pretends this is just another accident.

I like to make "clip tapes" of my favorite scenes and one thing I do is to slip in my favorite sound bites. The one mentioned above is one of the best. I agree-- the setup to a scene is important to me and it seems to be a dying art among producers. There is a video that SlapstickStuff did where there are two models and one of them keeps getting clobbered and the other model talks about the buildup of tension, waiting for the other model to get it. It it sort of like that. A well-written scene like Ariel's Pie Shop just builds the tension and the lines the models say are part of that.

That shot at the bottom, of Ariel's "non-apology apology", kicking the action into gear, is maybe my favorite example of that. Or, at the start of the action in "12 Girl Pie Fight", where the French maid comes in, bumps into the woman whose face goes into a cake, follows up with "Oops, sorry..." amid laughs.

I agree with the responses that point out the aspect of it where it was shot more like an actual scene from a show/movie, and that while it's a hard enough skill to find a woman who can take a pie hit, finding out who can and actually has at least MessyFun-level acting chops adds to the rarity. (Less realistically delivering the dialogue, and more "Eh, it just doesn't feel like there's any rivalry here", since usually two-girl scenes are with models who know each other/have brought their friend.

AI is here but the quality is iffy IMHO-- some people (pushingtin and wamphotoai) are REALLY good at short AI clips but they are still a tad off. The kind of scenes we are discussing in this thread are a great example of something that AI will not be able to duplicate, at least within the next couple of years, I don't think. There are nuances in the acting, human nuances, that are hard to duplicate. There are complex scenes involving dialogue and blocking. Producers who may want to grab a niche in the coming AI revolution could go back to these older style WAM vids, which are based off of longer scripted scenes in movies and TV but with the messy slapstick humiliation turned up to 11.
In short, I think this type of scene could make a comeback. At least I hope it does.

The thing to remember when thinking about scenes like Ariel's Pie Shop - Messy Fun knew they'd sell several thousand copies of each video they produced, at $50 each (in 1995 - that's about $105 nowadays), to their global mailing list base. And people were way less fussy about whether a scene was "perfect" for them because there were so many fewer scenes available, so they were happy to have a pie scene even if it wasn't exactly what they wanted to see.

Nowadays there are hundreds, possibly thousands of producers, and any given scene is lucky if it sells more than ten copies. It's a very different marketplace to the 90s. And then there's piracy, which was way less of a problem back then too - copies of VHS tapes tend to lose quality spectacularly, unlike digital.