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"What's Reasonable for a Custom?"
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So I messaged an OF model today that says she offers customs, right? She has nude videos that when you sign up you can get for $30.
I requested a custom for her to dump three bottles of chocolate syrup on her head while naked and masturbating.
She said...A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
Like...I could understand if I was asking her for half of a grocery store or something but that seems outlandish even for a non fetish OF model.
Am I out of line for thinking that's nuts?
I requested a custom for her to dump three bottles of chocolate syrup on her head while naked and masturbating.
She said...A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
Like...I could understand if I was asking her for half of a grocery store or something but that seems outlandish even for a non fetish OF model.
Am I out of line for thinking that's nuts?
That's kind of what I figured. I didn't even try to negotiate.
Yeah that's insane, but ultimately it's her prerogative. I've been quoted $1500+ for slime videos before. When that happens, I just move on to someone else.
Was she a top % model with a lot of followers? Generally you'll have more success with the lower ranked models - but not SO low that they're going to be inexperienced and find themselves overwhelmed by an atypical request like this.
Was she a top % model with a lot of followers? Generally you'll have more success with the lower ranked models - but not SO low that they're going to be inexperienced and find themselves overwhelmed by an atypical request like this.
Other models are available. 
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I'll do it for $50 
I want to get muddy and messy
Agreed with Steve K51.
The least I've paid was maybe $80 and that was for a 2 parter where someone on Reddit who did that kind of stuff to wear a maxi dress in the shower while making out with her bf.
The most I've paid was a custom by Rev Slymsford where I paid for a whole ass outfit off Amazon just for it to be trashed and that cost maybe half of what it you got quoted.
(Also highly recommend him for customs, he did a fantastic job).
The least I've paid was maybe $80 and that was for a 2 parter where someone on Reddit who did that kind of stuff to wear a maxi dress in the shower while making out with her bf.
The most I've paid was a custom by Rev Slymsford where I paid for a whole ass outfit off Amazon just for it to be trashed and that cost maybe half of what it you got quoted.
(Also highly recommend him for customs, he did a fantastic job).
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Our basic custom price is £300 for a fully clothed scene, and it'd rise fast if someone wanted nude and/or masturbation etc. This is partly so the models get sensibly rewarded for their work, but also to ensure it's worth doing. Go back through forum history over the years and there's a litany of horror stories where people paid for cheaper customs and then found the producer "adjusted" them, without permission, to make it more "saleable". We price customs such that it doesn't matter of no-one other than the original purchaser ever buys a copy, everyone gets paid and we make a small profit on it. Means we can then focus on shooting *exactly* what the purchaser wanted, with no changes or adjustments for "marketability". Custom scene, does what it says on the tin, customised to a specific and exact spec. But that does make it expensive, and to be honest we don't chase custom work as it's a) damn hard work to follow someone else's script with no mistakes or deviations, and b) always terrifying when the scene is shot and then wondering if the customer will be happy with it.
So a grand for a full nude messy masturbation scene isn't actually that outlandish, though in reality it probably means, as others have said, she doesn't really want to do it but will if someone is willing to pay enough.
So a grand for a full nude messy masturbation scene isn't actually that outlandish, though in reality it probably means, as others have said, she doesn't really want to do it but will if someone is willing to pay enough.
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That's fair. I guess I just wanted to make sure I wasn't out of line by suggesting that people should do customs on the cheap because supplies and time and all of that. I understand that.
As someone who just bought $50 worth of supplies to have my own WAM session, $1,000 just seemed like a lot to me.
As someone who just bought $50 worth of supplies to have my own WAM session, $1,000 just seemed like a lot to me.
GiveMeSlime said: So I messaged an OF model today that says she offers customs, right? She has nude videos that when you sign up you can get for $30.
I requested a custom for her to dump three bottles of chocolate syrup on her head while naked and masturbating.
She said...A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
Like...I could understand if I was asking her for half of a grocery store or something but that seems outlandish even for a non fetish OF model.
Am I out of line for thinking that's nuts?
I requested a custom for her to dump three bottles of chocolate syrup on her head while naked and masturbating.
She said...A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
Like...I could understand if I was asking her for half of a grocery store or something but that seems outlandish even for a non fetish OF model.
Am I out of line for thinking that's nuts?
So 1st, it's her prerogative. Yes. She does nudes for 30 bucks. Big whoop. That doesn't mean doing WAM is within her boundaries and she has the right to charge more for it. Especially if they know such a scene would never sell as well as their other clips.
2nd, To you, it's chocolate in the hair. Depending on the model and what they do for upkeep, it's way more. For Sondra to mud wrestle, I had to verify that her extensions wouldn't be affected by shooting with us because her prime income (being a model and dancer), cannot be affected. This is a valid request based off she requires to upkeep her image for her career. Extensions and other hair procedures can cost into the hundreds. If a chocolate syrup scene ruins them, they're totally within their right to pass that on to the customer.
Some of y'all seriously need to understand that porn is a luxury. Customs are bespoke. No one owes you 50-100 dollar customs. If you can't afford them, fine but the model or producer is not obligated to meet your price simply because you feel "they're not worth it". You don't determine that. They do. You can either pay it or move on.
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
Here's another thing you want to consider: for a fetish model/producer with WAM experience they can sell the video. For a random OF model you are the only one who will see it so you are paying to make all the clean up, hair care and shower worth it.
My experience: 250-300 is best deal --> producers, experienced models.
If you want you average OF model to do it expect 500 for NO hair 600+ for hair and then the cost of any props, shoes outfit to be ruined.
Sometimes I actually get suspicious if the price is too cheap; lots of times the model doesn't actually understand what we're asking for so I make sure to reiterate again, and again what I want. If they're serious they will pause and show interest and be part of the planning process. If they just say a price and say yes, it makes me nervous. Yes, I have had to pursue refunds on OF for girls who never delivered. FYI the limit for a refund is 90 days from the date of payment if it wasn't delivered.
Whenever I approach a model on OF, if the pricing doesn't work out I am always polite and respectful in my communication that there are valuing themselves and their time to indulge our weird little world. I never take offense.
My experience: 250-300 is best deal --> producers, experienced models.
If you want you average OF model to do it expect 500 for NO hair 600+ for hair and then the cost of any props, shoes outfit to be ruined.
Sometimes I actually get suspicious if the price is too cheap; lots of times the model doesn't actually understand what we're asking for so I make sure to reiterate again, and again what I want. If they're serious they will pause and show interest and be part of the planning process. If they just say a price and say yes, it makes me nervous. Yes, I have had to pursue refunds on OF for girls who never delivered. FYI the limit for a refund is 90 days from the date of payment if it wasn't delivered.
Whenever I approach a model on OF, if the pricing doesn't work out I am always polite and respectful in my communication that there are valuing themselves and their time to indulge our weird little world. I never take offense.
wamguy65 said: Here's another thing you want to consider: for a fetish model/producer with WAM experience they can sell the video. For a random OF model you are the only one who will see it so you are paying to make all the clean up, hair care and shower worth it.
My experience: 250-300 is best deal --> producers, experienced models.
If you want you average OF model to do it expect 500 for NO hair 600+ for hair and then the cost of any props, shoes outfit to be ruined.
Whenever I approach a model on OF, if the pricing doesn't work out I am always polite and respectful in my communication that there are valuing themselves and their time to indulge our weird little world. I never take offense.
My experience: 250-300 is best deal --> producers, experienced models.
If you want you average OF model to do it expect 500 for NO hair 600+ for hair and then the cost of any props, shoes outfit to be ruined.
Whenever I approach a model on OF, if the pricing doesn't work out I am always polite and respectful in my communication that there are valuing themselves and their time to indulge our weird little world. I never take offense.
Yeah I didn't take offense to it. I respectfully told her that it was out of my price range and politely declined. She further explained the reasoning and I just accepted her reasoning without any pushback.
Now listen, if I had that "FU Money" then it wouldn't be a question, but sadly not the case here
wamguy65 said: Here's another thing you want to consider: for a fetish model/producer with WAM experience they can sell the video. For a random OF model you are the only one who will see it so you are paying to make all the clean up, hair care and shower worth it.
Bingo. It's simple economics. A plain vanilla OF model who is already established is not going to go against branding and do something that they are not known for cheap. It is just not happening. Even still, Fetish models come at a higher rate than others because they already know what they are doing is niche and is not going to sell as well as other clips.
wamguy65 said:My experience: 250-300 is best deal --> producers, experienced models.
If you want you average OF model to do it expect 500 for NO hair 600+ for hair and then the cost of any props, shoes outfit to be ruined.
If you want you average OF model to do it expect 500 for NO hair 600+ for hair and then the cost of any props, shoes outfit to be ruined.
This tracks. You also need to consider how many models are involved. Additional performers need to get paid, too. My customs easily could hit 800-1,500 because 2 models, mud or oil, set up, break down, outfits, and studio time is not cheap.
wamguy65 said:Sometimes I actually get suspicious if the price is too cheap; lots of times the model doesn't actually understand what we're asking for so I make sure to reiterate again, and again what I want. If they're serious they will pause and show interest and be part of the planning process. If they just say a price and say yes, it makes me nervous. Yes, I have had to pursue refunds on OF for girls who never delivered. FYI the limit for a refund is 90 days from the date of payment if it wasn't delivered.
Whenever I approach a model on OF, if the pricing doesn't work out I am always polite and respectful in my communication that there are valuing themselves and their time to indulge our weird little world. I never take offense.
Whenever I approach a model on OF, if the pricing doesn't work out I am always polite and respectful in my communication that there are valuing themselves and their time to indulge our weird little world. I never take offense.
This is the way. I don't know when or how it became this cool thing to do, but driving bottom dollar customs just isn't it. Especially if you are not seeing them reinvest into their studio for things like new lighting, new cameras or equipment, better models, better ideas etc. This one OF model isn't likely going to flip to doing exclusive WAM content if all they are known for is clean solo content or B/G or G/G scenes. They may entertain it, but you will have to pay for them handsomely to be your guinea pig because scenes like that may negatively affect their target audience. There is no hard feelings. It's just the nature of the beast.
To me, fetish models are going to be a bit more in touch. They understand certain aspects of the industry that a regular OF model isn't going to from posting the occasional foot video, and they are out there. You just need to look in the right places. Twitter is a great place to explore as long as you understand the ropes.
You won't find a custom for 150.00 but you will find a model who is more in touch with probably what you are looking for and won't be so quick to shoot down a request (as long it is within reason)
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
Nostalgic Erotica Prod said:
Bingo. It's simple economics. A plain vanilla OF model who is already established is not going to go against branding and do something that they are not known for cheap. It is just not happening. Even still, Fetish models come at a higher rate than others because they already know what they are doing is niche and is not going to sell as well as other clips.
This tracks. You also need to consider how many models are involved. Additional performers need to get paid, too. My customs easily could hit 800-1,500 because 2 models, mud or oil, set up, break down, outfits, and studio time is not cheap.
This is the way. I don't know when or how it became this cool thing to do, but driving bottom dollar customs just isn't it. Especially if you are not seeing them reinvest into their studio for things like new lighting, new cameras or equipment, better models, better ideas etc. This one OF model isn't likely going to flip to doing exclusive WAM content if all they are known for is clean solo content or B/G or G/G scenes. They may entertain it, but you will have to pay for them handsomely to be your guinea pig because scenes like that may negatively affect their target audience. There is no hard feelings. It's just the nature of the beast.
To me, fetish models are going to be a bit more in touch. They understand certain aspects of the industry that a regular OF model isn't going to from posting the occasional foot video, and they are out there. You just need to look in the right places. Twitter is a great place to explore as long as you understand the ropes.
You won't find a custom for 150.00 but you will find a model who is more in touch with probably what you are looking for and won't be so quick to shoot down a request (as long it is within reason)
wamguy65 said: Here's another thing you want to consider: for a fetish model/producer with WAM experience they can sell the video. For a random OF model you are the only one who will see it so you are paying to make all the clean up, hair care and shower worth it.
Bingo. It's simple economics. A plain vanilla OF model who is already established is not going to go against branding and do something that they are not known for cheap. It is just not happening. Even still, Fetish models come at a higher rate than others because they already know what they are doing is niche and is not going to sell as well as other clips.
wamguy65 said:My experience: 250-300 is best deal --> producers, experienced models.
If you want you average OF model to do it expect 500 for NO hair 600+ for hair and then the cost of any props, shoes outfit to be ruined.
If you want you average OF model to do it expect 500 for NO hair 600+ for hair and then the cost of any props, shoes outfit to be ruined.
This tracks. You also need to consider how many models are involved. Additional performers need to get paid, too. My customs easily could hit 800-1,500 because 2 models, mud or oil, set up, break down, outfits, and studio time is not cheap.
wamguy65 said:Sometimes I actually get suspicious if the price is too cheap; lots of times the model doesn't actually understand what we're asking for so I make sure to reiterate again, and again what I want. If they're serious they will pause and show interest and be part of the planning process. If they just say a price and say yes, it makes me nervous. Yes, I have had to pursue refunds on OF for girls who never delivered. FYI the limit for a refund is 90 days from the date of payment if it wasn't delivered.
Whenever I approach a model on OF, if the pricing doesn't work out I am always polite and respectful in my communication that there are valuing themselves and their time to indulge our weird little world. I never take offense.
Whenever I approach a model on OF, if the pricing doesn't work out I am always polite and respectful in my communication that there are valuing themselves and their time to indulge our weird little world. I never take offense.
This is the way. I don't know when or how it became this cool thing to do, but driving bottom dollar customs just isn't it. Especially if you are not seeing them reinvest into their studio for things like new lighting, new cameras or equipment, better models, better ideas etc. This one OF model isn't likely going to flip to doing exclusive WAM content if all they are known for is clean solo content or B/G or G/G scenes. They may entertain it, but you will have to pay for them handsomely to be your guinea pig because scenes like that may negatively affect their target audience. There is no hard feelings. It's just the nature of the beast.
To me, fetish models are going to be a bit more in touch. They understand certain aspects of the industry that a regular OF model isn't going to from posting the occasional foot video, and they are out there. You just need to look in the right places. Twitter is a great place to explore as long as you understand the ropes.
You won't find a custom for 150.00 but you will find a model who is more in touch with probably what you are looking for and won't be so quick to shoot down a request (as long it is within reason)
Correct as usual!
I can get that done for about $300.
As a person stated earlier. She'll do it, but she doesn't want to. Why would you hire a model that doesn't want to do the job?
As a person stated earlier. She'll do it, but she doesn't want to. Why would you hire a model that doesn't want to do the job?
There are definitely a few on OF who would be up for it and would be a lot cheaper. Here are a few that I've used before and have done a good job.
https://onlyfans.com/itsrosierendall
https://onlyfans.com/graceemilyofficial
https://onlyfans.com/rosabrighid
The last two Grace and Rosa are twins and also do twin customs and have done head to head messy customs for me before.
https://onlyfans.com/itsrosierendall
https://onlyfans.com/graceemilyofficial
https://onlyfans.com/rosabrighid
The last two Grace and Rosa are twins and also do twin customs and have done head to head messy customs for me before.
I've paid anywhere from $100-$500...it depends on the model I guess. It's nice getting the video catered to what YOU want...but then you see it being sold for like $10 bucks and you're like "Fuck, I should have waited for someone else to get a custom..." 1K is a bit much...hell, I feel like the $500 I paid was a bit much and kind of regret doing it. I collect art and am constantly commissioning artists at shows, and I find that people are INSANE with what they're willing to pay for art from a particular artist. Someone will drop $1,500 to get a scribble sketch from Jim Lee, and meanwhile you could go to a John/Jane Doe artist, give them $100 bucks and your drawing comes out a hundred times better...but people like Jim Lee can charge that because people keep paying for it...I guess if you've got the money to blow...
Anyways, what I'm getting at is, this model you contacted probably has people like these Jim Lee people who are willing to pay that kind of money, so she can charge it and sadly she probably gets it (good for her I guess). You can definitely find quality for much less money.
I won't name names, but there's a model on social media who does WAM and she's posted videos and pics from stuff she's done and has said "Message me about purchasing a video or custom!" I sent a message about purchasing videos she'd already done and she wanted nearly $200...at first I thought it was like a bundle price for all the videos/photo sets I'd inquired about getting, but she said if I sent over the money she'd send over one of the full videos. Yea, no thanks, I'm intrigued by your videos, but not that much, I'll go elsewhere. There's plenty of options.
Anyways, what I'm getting at is, this model you contacted probably has people like these Jim Lee people who are willing to pay that kind of money, so she can charge it and sadly she probably gets it (good for her I guess). You can definitely find quality for much less money.
I won't name names, but there's a model on social media who does WAM and she's posted videos and pics from stuff she's done and has said "Message me about purchasing a video or custom!" I sent a message about purchasing videos she'd already done and she wanted nearly $200...at first I thought it was like a bundle price for all the videos/photo sets I'd inquired about getting, but she said if I sent over the money she'd send over one of the full videos. Yea, no thanks, I'm intrigued by your videos, but not that much, I'll go elsewhere. There's plenty of options.
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GiveMeSlime said: That's fair. I guess I just wanted to make sure I wasn't out of line by suggesting that people should do customs on the cheap because supplies and time and all of that. I understand that.
As someone who just bought $50 worth of supplies to have my own WAM session, $1,000 just seemed like a lot to me.
As someone who just bought $50 worth of supplies to have my own WAM session, $1,000 just seemed like a lot to me.
The most valuable thing in anyone's life is time as it's the one thing no-one, no matter how rich or powerful, can get more of. Supplies are a very tiny part of the overall expense of shooting a scene.
Consider an OF model who does lots of posing in high waist denim shorts and white frilly crop tops. She has a dozen versions of the outfit and if someone orders a custom with a specific colour of shorts and stuff for her to say and do, even going to nude - she can do it in 20 minutes.
Now imagine you ask the same model to wear the same outfit but get drenched in custard. Massive hike in time involved, supplies have to be bought (even if delivered the on-line shopping still takes time to do). Prep of shooting space, plastic sheets etc. Ok the actual shoot takes the same 20 minutes. But then there's between half an hour and an hour of clean-up afterwards, disposal of used materials, plastic, etc, plus time for showering, washing the outfit (and the risk that something doesn't fully wash out, smells bad, and has to be binned). So what was a 20 minute shoot when just posing in dry clothes has now become three+ hours of work with risk of having to replace outfit elements.
If stuff in hair is involved, everything Nostalgic Erotic mentioned re extensions etc - you're asking someone to take risks with a look they depend on for their livelihood.
Most of us who've done our own stuff tend to under-estimate the time we spend on it, because the only bit that shows up clearly is the financial cost of supplies or fuel, but in reality time is more valuable than money. The older I get the more I realise that.
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As someone who has spent half his career making a living on freelance creative work, hearing the word "reasonable" from the client side is getting exhausting.
When I want to buy something, there's no more reasonable price to me than "free." That's why the people who make the things I want don't consult me on the pricing. They put a number up and then it's up to me to decide if I want to buy or if I should go fuck myself.
The question you should be asking is "What is everyone else paying?" or "What is the going market rate?" It seems like a semantic difference, but it should put everyone in the proper mindset that there is no "reasonable" to what someone sets as the price of their goods and services. There's only data. And someone who chooses to go 10x the market rate is only a data point, not an attack on your sense of (client-benefitting, I'm sure) fairness in pricing.
Haggling with another person on how much they "should" get in return for recording and transmitting a video of themselves masturbating. Jesus Christ...
When I want to buy something, there's no more reasonable price to me than "free." That's why the people who make the things I want don't consult me on the pricing. They put a number up and then it's up to me to decide if I want to buy or if I should go fuck myself.
The question you should be asking is "What is everyone else paying?" or "What is the going market rate?" It seems like a semantic difference, but it should put everyone in the proper mindset that there is no "reasonable" to what someone sets as the price of their goods and services. There's only data. And someone who chooses to go 10x the market rate is only a data point, not an attack on your sense of (client-benefitting, I'm sure) fairness in pricing.
Haggling with another person on how much they "should" get in return for recording and transmitting a video of themselves masturbating. Jesus Christ...
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2 more cents on my end;
- I'd almost argue that a custom being more expensive is better because you know for a fact that you're getting a good quality product. Case in point: I once paid $50 for a "custom" of someone getting pied in a dress and I got a 2 minute video of someone taking a first person video with an iPhone while they stood in the shower and just rubbed a plate full of whipped cream all over themselves.
- Labor costs too. The same person who did the shower makeout video also did one of them in the same dress doing a "kissing prank" in a public park with their boyfriend (in my defense it didn't occur to me that porn had good kissing scenes" and that was $80.
- I'd almost argue that a custom being more expensive is better because you know for a fact that you're getting a good quality product. Case in point: I once paid $50 for a "custom" of someone getting pied in a dress and I got a 2 minute video of someone taking a first person video with an iPhone while they stood in the shower and just rubbed a plate full of whipped cream all over themselves.
- Labor costs too. The same person who did the shower makeout video also did one of them in the same dress doing a "kissing prank" in a public park with their boyfriend (in my defense it didn't occur to me that porn had good kissing scenes" and that was $80.
The question you should be asking is "What is everyone else paying?" or "What is the going market rate?" It seems like a semantic difference, but it should put everyone in the proper mindset that there is no "reasonable" to what someone sets as the price of their goods and services.
Haggling with another person on how much they "should" get in return for recording and transmitting a video of themselves masturbating. Jesus Christ...
Haggling with another person on how much they "should" get in return for recording and transmitting a video of themselves masturbating. Jesus Christ...
It is a sematic difference. That's was "reasonable" means in this context. And he's not haggling with her; he's asking here.
DungeonMasterOne said:
The most valuable thing in anyone's life is time as it's the one thing no-one, no matter how rich or powerful, can get more of. Supplies are a very tiny part of the overall expense of shooting a scene.
Consider an OF model who does lots of posing in high waist denim shorts and white frilly crop tops. She has a dozen versions of the outfit and if someone orders a custom with a specific colour of shorts and stuff for her to say and do, even going to nude - she can do it in 20 minutes.
Now imagine you ask the same model to wear the same outfit but get drenched in custard. Massive hike in time involved, supplies have to be bought (even if delivered the on-line shopping still takes time to do). Prep of shooting space, plastic sheets etc. Ok the actual shoot takes the same 20 minutes. But then there's between half an hour and an hour of clean-up afterwards, disposal of used materials, plastic, etc, plus time for showering, washing the outfit (and the risk that something doesn't fully wash out, smells bad, and has to be binned). So what was a 20 minute shoot when just posing in dry clothes has now become three+ hours of work with risk of having to replace outfit elements.
If stuff in hair is involved, everything Nostalgic Erotic mentioned re extensions etc - you're asking someone to take risks with a look they depend on for their livelihood.
Most of us who've done our own stuff tend to under-estimate the time we spend on it, because the only bit that shows up clearly is the financial cost of supplies or fuel, but in reality time is more valuable than money. The older I get the more I realise that.
GiveMeSlime said: That's fair. I guess I just wanted to make sure I wasn't out of line by suggesting that people should do customs on the cheap because supplies and time and all of that. I understand that.
As someone who just bought $50 worth of supplies to have my own WAM session, $1,000 just seemed like a lot to me.
As someone who just bought $50 worth of supplies to have my own WAM session, $1,000 just seemed like a lot to me.
The most valuable thing in anyone's life is time as it's the one thing no-one, no matter how rich or powerful, can get more of. Supplies are a very tiny part of the overall expense of shooting a scene.
Consider an OF model who does lots of posing in high waist denim shorts and white frilly crop tops. She has a dozen versions of the outfit and if someone orders a custom with a specific colour of shorts and stuff for her to say and do, even going to nude - she can do it in 20 minutes.
Now imagine you ask the same model to wear the same outfit but get drenched in custard. Massive hike in time involved, supplies have to be bought (even if delivered the on-line shopping still takes time to do). Prep of shooting space, plastic sheets etc. Ok the actual shoot takes the same 20 minutes. But then there's between half an hour and an hour of clean-up afterwards, disposal of used materials, plastic, etc, plus time for showering, washing the outfit (and the risk that something doesn't fully wash out, smells bad, and has to be binned). So what was a 20 minute shoot when just posing in dry clothes has now become three+ hours of work with risk of having to replace outfit elements.
If stuff in hair is involved, everything Nostalgic Erotic mentioned re extensions etc - you're asking someone to take risks with a look they depend on for their livelihood.
Most of us who've done our own stuff tend to under-estimate the time we spend on it, because the only bit that shows up clearly is the financial cost of supplies or fuel, but in reality time is more valuable than money. The older I get the more I realise that.
This is the most accurate description of what it takes to do customs. on point!
GungedHairFan said: Someone will drop $1,500 to get a scribble sketch from Jim Lee, and meanwhile you could go to a John/Jane Doe artist, give them $100 bucks and your drawing comes out a hundred times better...but people like Jim Lee can charge that because people keep paying for it...I guess if you've got the money to blow....
Or because it's Jim fucking Lee. LOL Even his 5 minute sketches are 5 times better than what you will find out there. And you have something memorable from one of the most prolific comic book artists in our time. He has done more than his fair share of cheap work to get to the level he is at, so of course they will go for that much.
Making smut is easy. Making art takes more!
Wambassador said:
It is a sematic difference. That's was "reasonable" means in this context. And he's not haggling with her; he's asking here.
The question you should be asking is "What is everyone else paying?" or "What is the going market rate?" It seems like a semantic difference, but it should put everyone in the proper mindset that there is no "reasonable" to what someone sets as the price of their goods and services.
Haggling with another person on how much they "should" get in return for recording and transmitting a video of themselves masturbating. Jesus Christ...
Haggling with another person on how much they "should" get in return for recording and transmitting a video of themselves masturbating. Jesus Christ...
It is a sematic difference. That's was "reasonable" means in this context. And he's not haggling with her; he's asking here.
It's a subtle distinction but I think it makes a huge difference in the way people interact with service providers. By keeping the conversation strictly focused on numbers and data points, we can avoid loaded terms like "reasonable" and, still quoting OP here, "outlandish" and "nuts," terms that imply fault with a business owner for doing what they need to do to keep their business afloat. Also, sticking with numbers keeps the conversation fact-based without bringing value judgements (moral, not financial value) into the mix. Sticking with mean, median, high/low points, etc. might make for a dry, overly analytical discussion, but at least it doesn't emotionally extort workers into driving their own value down.
Especially when it comes to adult content, where you're literally asking a person to be more vulnerable than 99% of the population will ever be for you? I'm surprised every OF model doesn't start the bidding at a million dollars.
And even if he doesn't use this feedback to go back and haggle with that model, you know he or someone else is going to use this mentality to tell someone they're being "unreasonable" for their personal decisions.
In short: OP and anyone else with a strong take on what someone else should charge for their services needs to stop pocket-watching.
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PortCity Slophouse said: I can get that done for about $300.
As a person stated earlier. She'll do it, but she doesn't want to. Why would you hire a model that doesn't want to do the job?
As a person stated earlier. She'll do it, but she doesn't want to. Why would you hire a model that doesn't want to do the job?
That's my thing. I want a model who wants to do it, even better if it's her thing and she loves doing WAM. I never enjoyed videos where the model didn't seem to enjoy it or was just going through the motions for the money. For me it's a better video when they are laughing, smiling, or if they're in character pretending they hate it they're not uncomfortable getting slimed or pied. I'm all about all parties involved being into it or if it's a first timer who isn't sure she ends up enjoying herself.
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I see no problem with her price quote nor you declining it. You shot your WAM shot and it wasn't a match. It never hurts to ask, you might get a yes at your price.
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