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"What's happening to wam"
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I'm deleting this thread cause I'm not rage baiting I was just trying to have a conversation with yall and it got blown way out of proportion. yeah the first thing I posted was really rude and offensive but I tried to apologize and really I'm not looking for a free handout to VIDEOS also yall talk about my grammar im sorry I wasn't a straight A student in English and made sure there we periods at the end of my sentence but I can see yall really feel
Manta said:
A bunch of red flags come up for me here. Punctuation is the real tragedy, but ~ they're mentioning classic WAM producers while generously disclosing their apparent age.. and UMD is their 2nd home *but they've only been here one year?* ... and immediately after getting everyone's attention (in such an initially rude manner) they're asking for relationship advice?
Lastly, *this is also their very first post for the UMD*
Just trying to save you guys from needless engagement.
fingerwam said: I'm sorry I didn't mean to offend anyone are any producers I should have read what I said before posting it but I didn't mean it in a offensive way honestly I've been into wam since the 7th grade and I'm 22 know and I freaking love it till this day but all I was really trying to ask was what happen to the wammers and producers and why don't you see any ebony videos anymore and yes I understand people have lives and models are not objects and yes ik you have to pay for videos I am really sorry if I've offended anyone I hope yall can except my apology if not I would gladly delete my umd account and stay off of it truly tho umd is like a second home ( a little bit of tmi) my wife really doesn't get messy for me occasionally she will but it's just with shaving cream but she's really not into it and I come on here and just envy all the husbands and couples that do it. I am happy with my wife and she is my forever but when it comes to wam that's a different story and we have talked about it and we have come to the agreement that she's not into it so if anyone thinks I'm forcing are manipulating her I'm not all I'm saying is can you just understand where I'm coming from and maybe give me some pointers on wam and how to talk about it with other and maybe some new ideas to try with my wife other shaving cream lol
A bunch of red flags come up for me here. Punctuation is the real tragedy, but ~ they're mentioning classic WAM producers while generously disclosing their apparent age.. and UMD is their 2nd home *but they've only been here one year?* ... and immediately after getting everyone's attention (in such an initially rude manner) they're asking for relationship advice?
Lastly, *this is also their very first post for the UMD*
Just trying to save you guys from needless engagement.
I've had multiple accounts on umd and yeah I've never posted a anything cause I don't know what to post and I really wasn't asking for relationships advice I was asking for some different wam ideas I could do with my wife
I don't feel like debating/defending anything here, but I think there's a probably a better way to put what the original poster is saying. Not knocking any current producers, but I will say, if you were to critique current WAM industry, it feels a little formulaic, and it feels like it's contracting rather than expanding. I'll talk about the latter later. but just for starters, producers like Anglefan and Slapstickstuff have definitely slowed down-- not knocking them at all, they've done a ton for the community and have an insane amount of material. but new stuff isn't coming out as much, and if you rewind to even 2 or 3 years ago, alot more was going on. if you go back even further to pre-COVID, it felt like UMD was exploding. You had a mix of OGs with 2nd and 3rd gen producers doing a lot, it seemed like there was more amateur content getting posted. I can see remnants of it when I go deep diving for co-ed content-- my favorite WAM is a husband and wife pieing each other, I can't help it, and it seems like a lot of that content disappeared/got deleted over the past couple of years. Sort of rambling here, but my point is it seemed like there were so many different pockets of just WAM in here, and nowadays it feels like there was some extinction event that wiped out 40-50% of diversity that had previously been in the ecosystem. just some more idiosyncratic examples-- there's no mypierogative posting like crazy on here. and that leads me to the point from above, I think Onlyfans and Patreon have a large part in this. We're already a pretty niche fetish to begin with, and I think those two platforms alone draw a lot of interest and awareness of this fetish away so that a lot of independent models/fetishists that would otherwise become active on UMD never do so. and to their credit, what incentive do they have to do so? I'm not knocking them for it, but I don't think the confluence of the rise of Onlyfans and what is arguably a decline in UMD is a coincidence. Finally, just to backtrack, PGK and mypierogative were like once in a generation wammers I think. Especially with digital footprints and how connected everything is today, it takes a lot to just fully put yourself out there like that for years at a time. there's just no two ways about it.
as for positives, and I don't mean to snub anyone, but I think WAM with Benefits and the resurgence of the PieZone through the basement tapes are top-tier content. And Messygirl has been extremely consistent with volume of content, especially once you consider how long they've been around-- if you expect any studio to maintain a certain style for longer than 5 years, that's asking a lot. life goes on outside of WAM-- I would love to see certain eras of Messygirl make a comeback, but I'm still glad they're making videos.
Anyhow, final point, like with anything, nothing is forever, good or bad. there will be a resurgence on here at some point, for reasons none of us can foresee. on my bingo card is mypierogative returns as a producer like the OG messygirl and she makes guest appearances.
on a side note-- I'm a huge fan of co-ed content, and females take a disproportionate amount of mess/pies here. when I was younger I only watched female wam, as I've aged I've come to appreciate both ways much more. the way Rich from SS has pied women across over 300 volumes, it would be awesome to see a female producer do the same thing to men and try to break his record/match his quality. could say the same for anglefan-- either way, would love to see "lazy" punchlines from women catcalling men (all in a humorous, tongue in cheek manner the way Rich does it) and then nailing them with pies.
food for thought, cut me down if you're so inclined, I've said my piece (of pie)
sorry, also need to shout out slimegenesis' princess zone, best co-ed content out there right now arguably. (Sorry Archnemesis, women don't pie you-- different type of co-ed IMO)
as for positives, and I don't mean to snub anyone, but I think WAM with Benefits and the resurgence of the PieZone through the basement tapes are top-tier content. And Messygirl has been extremely consistent with volume of content, especially once you consider how long they've been around-- if you expect any studio to maintain a certain style for longer than 5 years, that's asking a lot. life goes on outside of WAM-- I would love to see certain eras of Messygirl make a comeback, but I'm still glad they're making videos.
Anyhow, final point, like with anything, nothing is forever, good or bad. there will be a resurgence on here at some point, for reasons none of us can foresee. on my bingo card is mypierogative returns as a producer like the OG messygirl and she makes guest appearances.
on a side note-- I'm a huge fan of co-ed content, and females take a disproportionate amount of mess/pies here. when I was younger I only watched female wam, as I've aged I've come to appreciate both ways much more. the way Rich from SS has pied women across over 300 volumes, it would be awesome to see a female producer do the same thing to men and try to break his record/match his quality. could say the same for anglefan-- either way, would love to see "lazy" punchlines from women catcalling men (all in a humorous, tongue in cheek manner the way Rich does it) and then nailing them with pies.
food for thought, cut me down if you're so inclined, I've said my piece (of pie)
sorry, also need to shout out slimegenesis' princess zone, best co-ed content out there right now arguably. (Sorry Archnemesis, women don't pie you-- different type of co-ed IMO)
bbwam said: I don't feel like debating/defending anything here, but I think there's a probably a better way to put what the original poster is saying. Not knocking any current producers, but I will say, if you were to critique current WAM industry, it feels a little formulaic, and it feels like it's contracting rather than expanding. I'll talk about the latter later. but just for starters, producers like Anglefan and Slapstickstuff have definitely slowed down-- not knocking them at all, they've done a ton for the community and have an insane amount of material. but new stuff isn't coming out as much, and if you rewind to even 2 or 3 years ago, alot more was going on. if you go back even further to pre-COVID, it felt like UMD was exploding. You had a mix of OGs with 2nd and 3rd gen producers doing a lot, it seemed like there was more amateur content getting posted. I can see remnants of it when I go deep diving for co-ed content-- my favorite WAM is a husband and wife pieing each other, I can't help it, and it seems like a lot of that content disappeared/got deleted over the past couple of years. Sort of rambling here, but my point is it seemed like there were so many different pockets of just WAM in here, and nowadays it feels like there was some extinction event that wiped out 40-50% of diversity that had previously been in the ecosystem. just some more idiosyncratic examples-- there's no mypierogative posting like crazy on here. and that leads me to the point from above, I think Onlyfans and Patreon have a large part in this. We're already a pretty niche fetish to begin with, and I think those two platforms alone draw a lot of interest and awareness of this fetish away so that a lot of independent models/fetishists that would otherwise become active on UMD never do so. and to their credit, what incentive do they have to do so? I'm not knocking them for it, but I don't think the confluence of the rise of Onlyfans and what is arguably a decline in UMD is a coincidence. Finally, just to backtrack, PGK and mypierogative were like once in a generation wammers I think. Especially with digital footprints and how connected everything is today, it takes a lot to just fully put yourself out there like that for years at a time. there's just no two ways about it.
as for positives, and I don't mean to snub anyone, but I think WAM with Benefits and the resurgence of the PieZone through the basement tapes are top-tier content. And Messygirl has been extremely consistent with volume of content, especially once you consider how long they've been around-- if you expect any studio to maintain a certain style for longer than 5 years, that's asking a lot. life goes on outside of WAM-- I would love to see certain eras of Messygirl make a comeback, but I'm still glad they're making videos.
Anyhow, final point, like with anything, nothing is forever, good or bad. there will be a resurgence on here at some point, for reasons none of us can foresee. on my bingo card is mypierogative returns as a producer like the OG messygirl and she makes guest appearances.
on a side note-- I'm a huge fan of co-ed content, and females take a disproportionate amount of mess/pies here. when I was younger I only watched female wam, as I've aged I've come to appreciate both ways much more. the way Rich from SS has pied women across over 300 volumes, it would be awesome to see a female producer do the same thing to men and try to break his record/match his quality. could say the same for anglefan-- either way, would love to see "lazy" punchlines from women catcalling men (all in a humorous, tongue in cheek manner the way Rich does it) and then nailing them with pies.
food for thought, cut me down if you're so inclined, I've said my piece (of pie)
sorry, also need to shout out slimegenesis' princess zone, best co-ed content out there right now arguably. (Sorry Archnemesis, women don't pie you-- different type of co-ed IMO)
as for positives, and I don't mean to snub anyone, but I think WAM with Benefits and the resurgence of the PieZone through the basement tapes are top-tier content. And Messygirl has been extremely consistent with volume of content, especially once you consider how long they've been around-- if you expect any studio to maintain a certain style for longer than 5 years, that's asking a lot. life goes on outside of WAM-- I would love to see certain eras of Messygirl make a comeback, but I'm still glad they're making videos.
Anyhow, final point, like with anything, nothing is forever, good or bad. there will be a resurgence on here at some point, for reasons none of us can foresee. on my bingo card is mypierogative returns as a producer like the OG messygirl and she makes guest appearances.
on a side note-- I'm a huge fan of co-ed content, and females take a disproportionate amount of mess/pies here. when I was younger I only watched female wam, as I've aged I've come to appreciate both ways much more. the way Rich from SS has pied women across over 300 volumes, it would be awesome to see a female producer do the same thing to men and try to break his record/match his quality. could say the same for anglefan-- either way, would love to see "lazy" punchlines from women catcalling men (all in a humorous, tongue in cheek manner the way Rich does it) and then nailing them with pies.
food for thought, cut me down if you're so inclined, I've said my piece (of pie)
sorry, also need to shout out slimegenesis' princess zone, best co-ed content out there right now arguably. (Sorry Archnemesis, women don't pie you-- different type of co-ed IMO)
Thanks for the kind words.
Not sure about anyone else, but I've definitely slowed down due to burnout and the financial reality of producing WAM in 2026. Model rates are EXPENSIVE, materials as well, and the break-even point is higher now than ever before. Most of my sales are older catalog.... So when I space new clips out more and make them into an "event," they tend to sell better overall. That's just the metric that works for me.
Also, there really is no practical reason for any young woman to do WAM if she's already doing OnlyFans or Patreon. She's making far more than I (or another producer) could ever pay her, and she's not dealing with the creep factor. Which means that I now have a very small circle of models that still want to do the work (and I still want to work with), and that talent pool is shrinking with every passing year, so.... I don't see my input kicking up anytime soon unless something changes.
Which is fine, honestly. I'd absolutely HATE my life if I was almost 60 and still having to churn out WAM clips 4-5 times a month just to pay my bills. I'm not going to stop production anytime soon, as I think my stuff still hits a unique niche.... But there needs to be younger blood coming in and making new stuff for the next generation. Cuz that's not me anymore.
SlapstickStuff said:
Also, there really is no practical reason for any young woman to do WAM if she's already doing OnlyFans or Patreon. She's making far more than I (or another producer) could ever pay her
Also, there really is no practical reason for any young woman to do WAM if she's already doing OnlyFans or Patreon. She's making far more than I (or another producer) could ever pay her
I disagree. I work with strippers and sex workers and they love it. We talk about the business and they all want to have as many streams of revenue as possible. Getting pied for money is a very fun diversion to a lot of these women.
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