Interested in hearing the general answers for this one

The biggie: Bad camera work.

Crime No1: Zooming in. Just don't do it. When the camera zooms in it cuts out bits of the scene that parts of the audience will have been wanting to see. Just frame the shot so we can see everything and let the audience choose where to look.

Crime No2: Being so obsessed with keeping the model's head in shot that they entirely miss the important shots of another part of the model getting wet or messy. I've seen this in numerous wetlook trailers, the model is stepping down, from dry, into a pool, but the camera operator is so obsessed with keeping her face in frame that the actual money shots, where the model's clean and dry clothes are making first contact with the water, are happening out of sight off the bottom of the frame. Just lose her head and pan the damn camera down, her head will come back into shot as she continues to step down, and meanwhile we get to see the actual wetlook happen.

Crime No3: Shooting outdoors with the sun behind the model so all we can see is a silhouette.

Crime No4: Camera operators afraid to get even a little messy, so they shoot outdoor scenes from miles away at the top of the riverbank, meaning shakey zoomed-in shots. As Rob Blaine put it thirty years ago, if is impossible to get good mud footage unless you're willing to go right into the mud with your models.

Beyond that:

Low rise jeans are an abomination, and utterly ruin any scene they are seen in.

Any scene where two girls are messing each other up, and they're terrified of touching each other between the legs (even though clothed), meaning that at the end of the scene every inch is covered in mess, except for the most important area.

Any scene where we can't see the model's legs / bum / crotch getting messy.

Dungeon Master covered all the technical crimes.

A subjective one may be "it ticks all my boxes but does a thing I completely dislike or despise". For me, that's using any synthetic mess of any kind like slime or gunge after using other substances I'm into. I'm also not big on feathering/confetti-ing and similar stuff but that's quite rare.

Directions from the producer that aren't edited out.

Most WAM videos are a lot of "do this, then do that", but a good producer can use different camera angles to edit past the directions and feeding scripted lines. It ruins the flow of the video and reduces it to something that's just transactional, rather than sexy.

You can really see the difference when you watch the raw version of a SlapstickStuff video versus the edited version. Both are super interesting to watch, but the finished product is often what I end up rewatching.

1. When the model is fully clothed

2. When the slime or whatever substance they use is too watery

3. When the whole scene is about someone getting pied and turns out to be just shaving foam pies.

4. Whenever a model wearing a bikini or nude is getting messy while sitting up right, has substances dumped on them from above, completely leaves their torso/stomach clean.

5. When a scene is released with JUST a close-up angle and NO OTHER angle.

Mine have mostly been mentioned, but..

1. Yeah, watery or insubstantial, low-coverage mess. Pies can be made to perfection; to have one fall off the girls' face leaving a bit of smeared cream speaks to a lack of preparation.

2. I don't mind occasionally hearing the director off-camera, but they should at least cut out negative commentary. One of my all-time favorite pie scenes (no, I won't say which it is or who made it) is sometimes hard to watch because the director spends the whole scene angrily interjecting like he's in a pissy mood from being let down by models who just won't do what he wants, dammit, and to me it looks fine (if not terribly imaginative in its framing).

Going along with #2 from Dungeon Master- if it's a scene where the model's entire outfit gets messed up- especially if it's a longer dress- I want to see the entire outfit get messy.

And then if a scene describes a model as being in a long dress and the dress isn't at least ankle length (yes, I'm picky, I apologize) it kind of ruins it for me. While I prefer long dresses, I've learned recently that I can get off with a shorter dress too. But I'd rather the description say that it's shorter rather than it being like "Jane gets pied repeatedly in a long tight dress" but the dress is knee length.

Unattractive models. Repulsive substances. Bad lighting. Bad camera work. Bad attempts at comedy. ALSO the presence of dudes (unless there's a BJ going on)

bad acting, hearing the producer give instructions, and then model just repeats it back. Watery slime, or mud that doesn't cling

I can't stand when the model clears the mess the moment it touches them. Unfortunately, I've seen this with experienced models who should know better!

A woman's voice in a gay male video

When the models face is covered or not shown. I understand for anonymity reasons but total turn off.

Not looking up when getting slimed. When it just goes off the head and no coverage.

Too thin slime.

Starting off naked.

Too much savory. I don't get off on the humiliation part of wam.

Synthetic. I'm sorry for those that spend time creating it and those that like it...I can't stand it!

There have been a few examples but it's when one or both models in the scene are clearly not into what the producer wants them to do. It's the body language that shows this. It could be getting a mouth full of a non-edible substance or being asked to remove clothing and the model clearly does not want to be shown nude so great lengths are taken to imply that they are naked but not show anything. There must be up-front, clear communication as to what is expected during a scene. Other wise the body language of the models will reflect that they do not want to do what is being asked of them. My general term for this is "trying to hard", when a producer tries too hard to do a specific type of scene with a model who really does not want to do that.

Emotionless reactions. A fair few scenes all seem to have the right ingredients to be perfect but then the model just sits there with a, just get through it, get paid kinda expression.

On the flip to that anything too over the top & put on is just as bad.

Giggling, no acting at all or too good acting... it has to look exaggerated, 'false' to work for me.

Runny whipped cream pies or whipped cream in general, glasses/goggles/masks being worn by the female models, males getting messy in a scene, models who are genuinely not enjoying the shoot, pies that don't stick like meringue , pies that go anyplace other than the face & my #1 is producers who shoot in the vertical video mode. I don't care how hot the model is & how great the pie hits to the face are, if the video is scrunched into a narrow viewing I always pass. Imagine watching Wizard of Oz at the theater in vertical mode. Turn the damn phone the right way & shoot in wide/landscape format.

Many of my pet peeves have been mentioned but a few more:

Wetlook (in particular, but messy, too): A dress with a low-cut back and there's a bra!

Any piercings and nose rings

Model is wearing a party dress or formal gown and SNEAKERS!

shaving cream or whipped cream on a paper plate.

Weak applications of the pie.

Doesn't ruin the scene but after the 83rd pie and I can't see the victim's face anymore, I shut off the video.

Guys and/or camera guys talking.

This doesn't "ruin" a scene per say, but I find it funny how a bunch of the scenes I own from multiple producers from over the years have random guest appearances from animals, i.e. pets or random wildlife. And I can't help but at least chuckle every time.

Noteworthy one that comes to mind: a classic MudBunny scene at Studio 588 where she's going to town in the clay pit with her Hitachi, face almost submerged, and a random-ass butterfly photobombs the shoot flying directly in front of her face.

Most recent purchase for me was of Kaydens and Jade using a double-ball gag and sticking to each other with marshmallow and melted gummy bears and a cat is just wandering around them. All I could think of when I saw that was "DON'T GET ANY ON THE CAT!"

1 - Cigarette! It can be any type, even Vape.
2 - The scene is going well, pies + pies + pies > smooth slime, suddenly some savory substance is used.
3 - I understand that many scenes are scripted and that maybe the models act as if they're "grumpy" or acts like someone who hates pies/slime but if that's not the case and it's clear that she isn't enjoying herself, the scene can be ruined.
4 - Pies goes directly on the model's clothes.

PERSONALLY, any involvement of guys and weak limp wristed pie in the face hits.

Porridge:
If it is clearly too hot, or also for that matter, noticeably too cold.

It needs to be just right...





I also dislike bears in scenes.

Pretty much all has been mentioned from bad acting to vocal queus. One of my biggest pet peeves is an advertised photo of the scene, ie fully dressed, but when it comes to the actual scene some of the clothes are removed before they've even started.

The things that I feel spoil a scene, but not necessarily ruins it are:

When gunge is a bit too watery, gunge it just that, not coloured water.

When a pie fight becomes more of a fight, so there's lots of screaming, running about trying to actually avoid being pied. Then the pie hits are off, or miss completely, with floor getting most of the mess. A waste.

For me, on the other hand, scenes with tar & feathering or syrup & feathering are the kind I am most likely to buy.

A lot of similar opinions were litigated pretty thoroughly here:

https://umd.net/forums/unpopular-wam-opinions

I'm not trying to yuck someone's yum, but I recently found a video online I really enjoyed with a nice blonde pieing herself, and then she started thoroughly shoving the pie up her nose, which killed the vibe for me. But I assume it was great for whoever ordered the video.

Also, nothing makes me click away from a WAM video on YouTube faster than seeing the video is actually someone shakily aiming their phone at their laptop screen while a decent WAM scene plays. That's especially true if the source material is already a grainy VHS or something.

I just can't get into scenes where the model starts with wet, unstyled hair, or with her hair pulled back really tightly in a bun. I like to see hairstyles and decent clothing messed up - it doesn't have to be extravagant (sometimes the casual, everyday look is best), but I want to at least be able to pretend that the subject didn't plan on getting messy, rather than doing everything they could to prepare themselves for the mess.

Also just a slime-specific quibble, but I'm not a fan of models looking up too fast, straight up, mechanically so, and then just holding that position.. I know that a model who is being instructed to look up is probably not going to understand what they're doing or why, but I feel like there's a bit of nuance to the reaction that is lost when they're over-coached..

We don't want to hear Directors instructions. We want the scene to appear to be spontaneous. If it is a two girl shoot. the girls need to get messy and I mean MESSY!!! However the exception is sometimes the rule. One of the sexiest scenes ever in my view was Fi Stevens getting slime slowly poured over her by another who remained (relatively) clean..

I don't mind low slung jeans or skirts, particularly if the top button (stud?) is teasingly undone.

Something that I would loved to see is a girl wearing a tight pencil skirt with her legs in the air have someone fill it with custard.

First I hate these because they tend to turn so negative and some comments get just mean.

The only thing that has ever ruined a WAM scene(s) for me is finding out either the model or producer is just a shitty human. It could be abusing talent, scamming people or just being an all around dick. Generally speaking it ruins all content from that particular party and usually has nothing to do with the scene itself.

Agree, this just feels like a continuation of the "Unpopular WAM opinions" thread that ended with some people being unpleasant and others getting upset.

Some people mentioned on that thread that an occasional thread like that can help "clear the air", but I think another barely a month later is a bit much!

Let's face it, when it comes to WAM, we're all pretty fussy, idiosyncratic and obsessive, so you're never going to get something that's entirely to your liking. Even my favourite producers have the odd tendency I find slightly irritating. The only way around that is to produce your own videos. Alternatively, I find writing therapeutic because then I really can make up whatever I want and even the constraints of the real world don't have to apply to the scenarios I'm creating. And I'm sure those scenarios are not 100% satisfying to anybody else.