There was a series of old sites run by a main site called Crazy Girls International, I believe. It include tiedandpied.com, gunged.com, and about six more sites that had to do with WAM. It seemed like a well run organization based in England. They even had a physical storefront for customers to purchase their products, including videos, messy supplies, and paraphanelia. I'm curious as to what happened to the site and/or the company.

This is going back about fifteen years. For instance, one of the only previews I can remember was in MOV format on a Windows 98 machine. It was of a blond girl in a white t-shirt waiting on a customer at the desk. They were shooting a scene in the back, and a girl in a bikini came up front, behind the girl at the desk, and slowly poured some deep green gunge over her just for fun.

This may bring back memories from some of the older WAMmers. I've looked online and can't seem to find anything about the site anymore. I've also searched the forums here and come up empty.

This was the first site I looked at after here and there were numerous sites, that is correct. Unfortunately this has been closed down for a number of years I think since 2005. It looks like as well nobody has the right to the pics or vids as think was mentioned on the Splosh forums a while ago.

I hope this helps and as I say I am not 100% sure, and if incorrect someone please correct me.

Wow, talk about a blast from the past!:lovestruck:

The crazygirls sites were some of my favourite sites back in the day, tiedandpied.com was my personal favourite, I've got loads of pics and a few videos from the sites, crazygirls was one of the first sites that made me realise I wasn't alone in liking girls getting messy!!

Ah yes, the much missed Crazygirls! They had some really lovely girl next door types, and the kind of extreme WAM that is quite rare these days

The worse thing is that they we're out in the days before descent camera / editing gear, so the remaining content is very poor quality.

Brian used to provide a monthly VHS tape club, and this is the best quality in terms of surviving video.

I managed to acquire a rip of a few of the early VHS tapes, but most of the content is sadly missing

Don't think Brian himself has passed, but after his wife did, I believe he lost interest in the WAM scene.

As I recall, Brian moved to South America about 10 years ago. Shortly afterwards, his girlfriend passed away and he disappeared from the scene.

The problem with the old CG stuff is that the age of majority in the UK was 17 way back when, so a lot of it is not legal to sell in the US, where most of the retail systems currently reside. As previously mentioned, it also predates HD by a considerable margin and probably even DV tape, so the videos probably wouldn't stand up well to modern quality expectations.

I met him once, a really lovely chap. But he definitely went through it, and I think losing his wife to (to cancer I think) was the final straw.

Wow, I had no idea all that had happened. I have been in and out of the wet and messy community since the late 1990s, and I don't really keep that much of an eye on things.

I was browsing the other day, and I just thinking about the old stuff I used to view online. I looked around and noticed that some of it, like old LS Productions shoots and Leonmoomin, was being reposted. I started wondering about Crazygirls in particular, as, like tonyhill, it was one of the sites that made me realize, along with UMD and Messygirl, that I wasn't alone out there. It would've been nice to see some memories again.

Some sites, like Messygirl and Slapstick Stuff, have kept their older stuff. Others, like Crazygirls, Messy Toni, and Phoebe Rodriguez, have plain old vanished.

Other sites, like Sexy Slapstick and IWAM, don't seem to have done any updates in a couple years, and I start to wonder if they're next.

My condolences, late as they are, go out to Brian on the loss of his wife.

Phoebe's videos have been available in her Vidown store for the last 8 years:

http://phoebevideos.com

I was curious about that.

Phoebe's profile is still here:


http://umd.net/profile/phoeber

However, no one has signed into it in over two years. She seems to have washed her hands of the WAM community.

How does her vidown site stay up if she isn't maintaining it (and I guess not paying a fee to keep it up and running)?

Not all download stores require a fee paying, some (the UMD included) provide the storage and storefront for free in exchange for a hefty cut of the revenue (typically 30% of the actual sale price goes to the store operator, the remaining 70% goes to the producer). This isn't the store operators ripping the producers off however, as typically the companies that handle card billing for adult material will take at least 25%, possibly more, plus they require the payment of $$$ anual fees for each card type the store handles. So while a big store operator can make money, they typically only get about 5% of the take themselves.

But the upshot is that a long-gone producer's download store can continue more or less forever, or at least as long as the store system it's hosted on remains in business. For some retired producers, this could form a small but nice extra pension in old age.

Being a music fan, this is very similar to when CDs go "out of print"... Sometimes it's the band's decision, sometimes the label, but it's also a bit baffling. Van Morrison's entire catalog, for instance, is basically OOP, baring a few big titles owned by Warner Bros. (Moondance, Astral Weeks)
Prince's WB catalog hasn't been remastered since its initial CD release... but at least most of it is in-print. The stuff that Prince has released on his own (which SHOULD be available as there's no outside label) is mostly out of production now. And even some Warner stuff (Gold Experience, Black Album) is OOP and goes for pretty good money.
AND we're not even talking about acts like the Dave Clarke 5, where NOTHING was available on CD for years... or the R&B group Midnight Star, which currently has no CDs in print. (Not even greatest hits collections.)

ANYWAY. The difference with CDs is that there IS a second-hand used market... Whereas the idea of trading or selling OOP WAM material is frowned on in the community. Ditto file trading.

At the same time, there are obvious moral differences. I don't feel a bit guilty for downloading a great Prince outtake from 1982 that I would gladly pay for IF it were available legally (but it isn't, because Prince is a strange dude). But if a guy takes down his WAM store because he doesn't want people watching videos of his pied ex-wife or GF, we need to respect that. And re-posting or re-circulating that material is definitely WRONG in a way that, say, reposting a lost Barbara Mandrell pie scene from network TV isn't.

Sorry for the meandering post there...

And to follow-up/clarify, the "archived" stuff I've sold recently via my store has always been with the approval of the original producers. (Certain clips were actually removed at their request for that reason.)
AND we donate all the profits to charity so it doesn't feel churlish. Another $300 went to Wounded Warrior Project and St. Jude's in August/Sept!

As for SlapstickStuff, I would never put myself on the level of the Beatles or Pink Floyd, but there's one reason (of many) their albums keep selling and selling over the years: They're always available. I took that lesson to heart and you'd be surprised how many "deep catalog" downloads still sell. Literally stuff I shot 8,9, 10 years ago is still making money!

And I'd wager that Phoebe keeps her store going for that very reason. I don't pretend to know her motives, and I'm not trying to be cynical, but I would 100% guarantee that the handful of times she's "come out of retirement" and posted on here for a few weeks before disappearing again, her DL sales have seen a big jump.
Say what you will, but that's smart marketing... No different than the Beatles repackaging all their songs that people already own as "1" and having the biggest selling album of the decade.