I'm sure this has been discussed into ground by this point, but I'm also very curious to see the new responses.
For me, WAM has always been about the pleasure of it. That feeling extends, for the most part, to what videos I purchase and watch. An example would be The Pie Zone's Amber in "McSweetie's". Amber genuinely seemed to be having fun and seems to be aroused throughout the entire video by her experience. Sky and many of the girls at MostWAM also have videos where the same attitude and approach is seen.
Conversely, Pie Zone's Amber in "Cash For Slime" or Tracy in "Just Desserts" seem to focus more on humiliation. Or at least at first in the case of "Cash For Slime" as Amber seems to enjoy herself in both her videos.
While I can definitely see the appeal of trashing a woman (or a man, if that's your thing) whilst they are properly or formally dressed or even the appeal of trashing a bratty person who seems to hate it at first. I personally find that if the model or recipient of the WAM is hating the experience throughout, it ruins it for me. This extends to my personal life and WAM with my wife. If she's hating it, I'm likely to hate it too.
So, the question goes out to you all. Which do you all find more appealing or sexier? When the model is turned on and having a good time or the humiliation and disgust shown by the model at their predicament and why do you feel that way?
As an additional question, how important is nudity to you in WAM? Topless, fully nude, or fully clothed?
Newt said: i.e. pretending that she's not enjoying it, but in a really cheesy obvious, silly way. And while it's not essential, I prefer nudity, the more explicit the better!
I like the way you put that. I enjoy those myself. Feigned disgust followed by her having fun and stripping out of her clothes are some of my favorites. Pie-zone.com "Pietease" with Tracy is a good example of that in my opinion.
I agree that everyone involved should be having fun - even if they're pretending that they're not. It doesn't have to be a 'fetish' as much but I'd hope they feel some kind of joy, even if its totally innocent. If someone's miserable or uncomfortable in the mess then that's an absolute turn off.
As for clothes, I prefer scantily clad. Bikinis, panties, topless etc. Though I do like silly costumes like clowns and French maids. I don't mind models wearing clothes, especially with wetlook but the idea of distinctively messing clothes up doesn't do much for me.
I'm probably in the minority but I prefer scenes where the girl is having fun and it's noticeable, not pretending to be annoyed or anything, just laughing and having a good time, not that she's getting turned on or that it becomes R/X rated, but just having fun with it and not afraid to get completely covered i.e looking straight up into the slime, pieing herself really well, that sort of thing, and also showing personality too, if she's just sitting there not saying anything and barely reacting, that's a turn off for sure
Newt said: For me the key is the girl has to be happy and having fun, but playing the role of getting messy in a slapstick, pantomime style - i.e. pretending that she's not enjoying it, but in a really cheesy obvious, silly way. And while it's not essential, I prefer nudity, the more explicit the better!
Its interesting.
Cos i love girls that are having fun, Laughing and showing personality but at the same time fuming and moaning... and Showing all those emotions in the same moment
Thats so hard... but that happens so frequently with only one producer.... Mostwam
Having fun. The whole backstory of Saturation Hall is that everyone who lives here, or visits, is very much into getting wet and messy for pleasure. Doesn't have to be sexual, but anyone who's reaction to sitting fully dressed in a cake is more "eww!" than "mmm, that's nice, can I do the same back to you?" isn't really going to fit in very well on this estate.
Also from my personal POV always fully clothed. I have precisely zero interest in nudity myself, I want to see fully clothed girls messing each other up and enjoying it as it happens.
What particularly works for me is two girls who are obviously into each other, as well as having fun getting messy, messing each other up, see attached photos for one we shot in 2019 that I think totally exemplifies this.
What's most important for me is that the girl is NOT in control. By which I mean, self-WAM does nothing for me. It needs to be a bucket of mess perched over her head not knowing if or when it's going to pour down all over her!
- There's got to be hair coverage. FOR ME....if the hair isn't messy, it's not WAM - Having fun/smiling/laughs (feigned disgust and playful humiliation both count!) - Sweet not savory
To answer your other question: I prefer clothed over nudity, because I feel like the clothing is another dynamic. I like someone looking like they are dressed to walk out the door, but get slimed from above/messy instead.
SnakeEyes said:I personally find that if the model or recipient of the WAM is hating the experience throughout, it ruins it for me. This extends to my personal life and WAM with my wife. If she's hating it, I'm likely to hate it too.
So, the question goes out to you all. Which do you all find more appealing or sexier? When the model is turned on and having a good time or the humiliation and disgust shown by the model at their predicament and why do you feel that way?
As an additional question, how important is nudity to you in WAM? Topless, fully nude, or fully clothed?
So WAM is sexy time for me. It's not something I need, but it enhances everything like ten fold. I'm someone who likes to partake with a partner rather than just watch. So enjoyment is necessary. Initial disgust over getting wet and/or messy (tends to happen more when clothed) is fine. But that can go two ways afterwards.
- Oh fuck it, playful, happy, enjoy the experience - Angry, sad, crying, traumatized, humiliated
I want to have a good time, and more importantly, I want my partner to have a good time.
Regarding clothes. I like both, but I generally like to start out clothed because it adds visual, tactile, and even mental elements.
Seeing slime turn a white dress seethru and green for instance. The glorious feeling of sliding my hand up a woman's gungy stocking covered leg The mental feeling of this is not something you're supposed to do. You're ruining clothes, getting messy, etc.
So generally, I prefer the same sort of things if I'm just watching a video too, because I get enjoyment from others enjoying.
Newt said: For me the key is the girl has to be happy and having fun, but playing the role of getting messy in a slapstick, pantomime style - i.e. pretending that she's not enjoying it, but in a really cheesy obvious, silly way. And while it's not essential, I prefer nudity, the more explicit the better!
This. Girl and boy, preferably, both having fun. Also ++ about nudity. Start nude, end absolutely splattered.
I like when the *performance* seems fun. The scenario can be all about humiliation (in a way that's partly the point, enjoying the titillation of being shamed in a silly, sexy way) but for me the difference is how the atmosphere of the actual performance feels. An ideal I guess for me would be something like in the few Gilly films I've seen: it's all about being silly and sexy, and *relishing* the mess, the pure excess and chaos of it all. I have trouble with movies that seem really careful or clinical (but I'm sure this is tough to avoid, because it is after all MESS and most be cleaned up at some point).
My tastes have definitely changed over the years, and perhaps "broadened" as well?
Looking back on the early years of SlapstickStuff, I had a definite sensibility and style, but I also tended to come up with set ideas and drop the models into that specific construct, rather than adjusting a shoot or scene to their particular skills. (Let's just say it right now: Toshia did GREAT with the top hat/tux look, as did a few other girls. There was no need for EVERY model to do that look.)
So these days, I try to figure out what the model's strengths are, and play to them as best I can. That means wardrobe and clothing (or lack thereof), but also the style and temperament of a scene too. For example: Samantha and Scarlet look best in smart outfits, nice skirts, lots of leg. The MILP or Candi have the kind of bodies that look amazing naked, and the clothes look best when they're on the verge of falling off. It's not a question of "nude vs. clothed" as much as "what works best for the model"?
Same with the scripts: Some models are better actresses, some do "angry" really well, and some are very sweet or goofy. So the vibe of the scenes reflects that. Oftentimes I'll edit a scene for maximum "humiliation" which requires cutting out the parts where the model cracks up or acts silly. Other models, like Taylor, are just natural free-spirits, so I'll leave those goofy bits in the final edit. You're not gonna please the whole audience with any one scene anyway, so why not mix it up?
One thing that IS really important for me: Making sure the model has fun. Even during a scene with a clear "angry/humiliated" vibe, a quick glance at the Outtakes will show that the model was still goofing around and laughing between gags. (Even the MILP! Her "angry" mode is all an act.) There are occasional one-and-done models who really didn't enjoy the experience, and while those shoots are few and far between, I don't like watching those, even if the results look great to everyone else.
I know there's an audience for models experiencing real discomfort during a shoot. That's never my goal. Similarly, I'm happy to leave the overly sexualized content to others. I'd like to think my models are INCREDIBLY sexy, with clothes on or off, but that sense of fun and silliness is always present. If there's any "company style" to SlapstickStuff now, that vibe is probably it.
So WAM is sexy time for me. It's not something I need, but it enhances everything like ten fold. I'm someone who likes to partake with a partner rather than just watch. So enjoyment is necessary. Initial disgust over getting wet and/or messy (tends to happen more when clothed) is fine. But that can go two ways afterwards.
- Oh fuck it, playful, happy, enjoy the experience - Angry, sad, crying, traumatized, humiliated
I want to have a good time, and more importantly, I want my partner to have a good time.
Regarding clothes. I like both, but I generally like to start out clothed because it adds visual, tactile, and even mental elements. .
I think you nailed my same thought here. I've surprised my wife with WAM on many occasions. The "oh, fuck it, let's do this!" leaves us both ready for what comes next. As her rules go, WAM is foreplay and sex is always separate and only after we shower off. Every time she's had the angry, sad, traumatized reaction (usually because she is worried about her clothes or her hairdo), it has caused anything from that night to a whole week being ruined by our resulting argument. So, for sure in real life situation (not videos), pleasure is the key for us.
So, the question goes out to you all. Which do you all find more appealing or sexier? When the model is turned on and having a good time or the humiliation and disgust shown by the model at their predicament and why do you feel that way?
Honestly, this is a super easy question for me: obviously the one who's enjoying it. If their laughing, smiling or just obviously happily aroused then that makes things feel so much better.
Putting aside models who openly express disgust and other negative feelings, a similar thing which i find extremely silly is when models have 'catwalk blank face' where they just show no expressions or feelings what so ever. in a worst case either/or scenario, at least models openly expressing their negativity would be more interesting that models acting like expressionless dolls.
Funny as there's a big difference in my personal wam involvment and my online wam consumption. Online; 2 girls wrestling in some messy stuff (mud the preffered) ideally starting dress casual and to some level of nudity or sex (optional). + if theres a level of unplanned mess, + if the girls are having lots of fun - (A male in the scene removes some interrest)
IRL; Always with my wife (never included another player, and probably never will) almost always planned a few days ahead. Mud is rare occasion has Methyl is much easier to manage. Happy ending for everyone is a must
For me the most important part about wam is the ability it gives me to create intriguing art and exciting images. I love exploring texture and color with photography.