No, I don't mean WAM and A1 sauce. Although that might kill me with the smell alone.

I've been backreading a number of threads and find that most don't like WAM mixed with A.I.

I get it. It's not "real", there is nobody "real" getting messy.

But that being said, after looking at WAM Photography and Photoslop's creations I'm convinced that's the beginning of another WAM future. A year from now nobody will be able to tell the difference between real WAM and A.I. WAM.

Full disclosure: I work with Al (Photoslop) on unrelated to WAM media projects and I have let him put his "Humiliation Theater" stuff on the WLP website.

But interestingly I have found an use for A.I. WAM. So many WAM experiences I have from the early days and some even from the later days, there were no smartphones and not even any vid cams to record with. Or a woman just didn't want it recorded. So, they are literally just memories. Fun ones, but still after a period of time with no visual, those memories fade.

I wrote up a description of some of my early WAM experiences and gave Al some non WAMmed pics of the women I played with.

What he came up with using A.I. was downright scary. Using my descriptions which became part of his prompts
he was able to re-create my WAM experiences. So much so that I showed one of the women the 20 second video and she was shocked because she didn't remember recording any of it. I then of course told her it was A.I. and now she is busy trying to remember other WAM stuff we did so Al can recreate those as well.

Also, after talking to about a dozen people at the most recent Consumer Electronics Show, I'm convinced that we are less than a year away from affordable virtual reality WAM where you can create your own scene and be IN IT.

Yes, I know all of that technically exists but soon it will be as easy to create as running a Google search.

One of the other reasons it will work well is because so much WAM (including WAM I have created) is repetitive and derivative. Fully VR WAM will be up to you to create anything and everything you want.

BTW...remember how I used to say (you probably don't) that the only thing missing from the realistic WAM future is the "Holodeck" from Star Trek? Because I thought that was an impossibility.

I have been promised by people in the industry that it's not.

Imagine places you can go that will create that piefight with holographic people that will actually interact with you.

Fantasy escapism......here we come.

Robby

I always loved the woman wearing the Black Leather skirt and the Red satin blouse. She just had the absolute best facial expressions and you could tell she was having a great time.

I come from the perspective of someone who thinks a good bit of what passes for AI today is "sloppy" (pardon the pun), and people are too reliant on that slop - whether it's for vibe-coding, or using it for research. That might or might not improve over time - it all depends on who/how/why/what the AI is trained. I also think we need to strive for more efficiency in AI (less electricity/water being used to power these data centers.)

That all said - I have a niche fetish for women's feet being pied/slimed. Obviously, there's not a lot of content out there, but I've tried to buy what's out there, going all the way back to the Amateur Pies days on VHS and DVD. I've also had a few customs commissioned.

I have a personal Google Workspace account, and with that, I get access to their AI suite. I started playing around in ImageFX and Whisk of some fantasies I've had that haven't been created, and maybe I'd like to custom with actual producers/models soon. With Veo3, it's in Uncanny Valley territory, but you can still tell things are off.

For example, I've been wanting to create a custom based on those "renaissance fair tickling" scenes where a woman visiting a renaissance fair has her feet restrained in stocks, her shoes/socks removed, and her feet tickled mercilessly. For WAM reasons, I'd have pies smooshed into their bare soles, and then they get a ticklish tongue cleaning.

I've been workshopping it in Veo3 just to get an 8-second idea. It almost gets there, but it doesn't quite understand some physics, such as how a pie is thrown and splatters, or how someone is restrained in stocks. See the attached example. Maybe this will improve in the future.

But for now, I think producers/models are still very safe and able to keep creating what we love.

P.S. If I had the money right now to commission a custom, I'd love to see someone like Messygirl Zoey, "Man and the Wife" Zoey (even though she hates her feet being touched), or Jayce get their feet pied and lickled.

Same here. As I've demonstrated (probably too often) I really like seeing women dressed to the nines, soaking wet and then pied. It doesn't show up very often and I'm not in a position to pay for customs. (I've also read too often of customs that weren't quite what the customer wanted.)

I can't imagine VR will be able to duplicate the feel of a pie hitting your face. Not a problem for me: I don't want to get hit, i want to see women getting pied. But those of you turned on by getting pied or slimed or gunged?

Not sure if you are referring to Alison or Jayce. But both of them were so easy to work with and did such a good job.

Robby

I'd be the last to put down what someone else enjoys, but to me A.I. is not much different than a 360-pound guy saying they are a 19-year-old female co-ed working her way through cosmetology school on an internet chat room.

The nice thing about "real" is there is a human factor. Being able to interact with like-minded people on this site is amazing. There is a warmth sharing different ideas and stories with real models that you're not going to get with a program that spits out what it thinks I wanted to hear based on some algorithm created while tracking my website choices.

Found out that Mrs. Bee is an amazing person. Brave enough to share her fight with cancer, makes her very, very real. I used to follow her Tumbler account and learned that very intelligent people are into WAM. And of course there were the incredibly sexy photos. Way better than anything I could have imagined. Showed up for the brains, stayed for the breasts.

The VR aspect sounds kind of cold and solitary. You can't really imagine soft, warm, and sticky if you never experience it.

The thing that would trouble me the most is you will see videos of models who really don't want to be in WAM videos. Kind of feel that it's kind of violating their right to just say "NO". Big reason I like the "real" stuff is they said "Sure", and it helps with the fantasy that they enjoy what they are doing. Guess that's why I'm big on the true amateur stuff.

I have a huge problem with a.i. content. This is gonna lead to a lot of people's images being used without their permission for fetish porn. Its also going to put producers and models out of work. Bottom line, when the honeymoon phase is over, the way things are headed with this technology, its not gonna end well.

I think we need to qualify what it means for "nobody to be able to tell real WAM from AI wam." Because if it's just more realistic 8-second clips where a pie more consistently hits the target with realistic splatter...well...who really gives a shit? No offense to the people who are currently dedicating their free time to generating those 8-second clips, but let's not move the goalposts for AI. If someone posted an 8-second gif of a real human model getting pied, there would be some polite silent likes, but most people would be asking to see the whole thing or fantasizing about what's next or wishing the target wore something different.

Likewise, I see the novelty wearing thin if AI WAM development plateaus at "more realistic 8-second clips." I'm already getting fatigued seeing AI videos where there's no lead up, no aftermath, and no hope for me to see any more or care about the "women" depicted in even a base visceral way.

ETA: And if we are talking about fuller-length videos that somehow maintain the laws of physics with consistent character appearance and voices that don't sound like a Speak-N-Spell on quaaludes, I think that's gonna take more than a year on that. And since all of us here developed our love of the genre watching real women for longer than a couple of seconds, I'm not going to give AI unearned flowers.

Not sure if you are referring to Alison or Jayce. But both of them were so easy to work with and did such a good job.

Alison.....I love all the women from She Pies the Guy.....but Alison was my favorite.

I've toyed with AI for wam related content, and I've seen a lot of it online. I've even some fairly impressive stuff, quality-wise. Regardless, I don't think too awful highly of it as a finished product - that is to say, something to publish or redistribute - as of yet. Its current best-use WAM-related scenario at the moment does lie, as others have said, in filling niche personal interests that you can't find anywhere (setting aside environmental operating costs).

On a side note, I used to use AI voiceovers for the messy 3D animated videos on my YouTube channel (and yes, I'm still making them!), but I moved away from that in 2022 and have since cast professional voice actresses instead. There are a number of reasons I made that shift, but one of them is not wanting to use or misuse someone else's (vocal) likeness without their consent. I could make much longer videos more often if I went with AI performances instead of paying for voice work, but I've made the decision to stick with using actual actors. I like to think the resultant quality is worth the cost.

I just hope that content created with A.I. will still be labeled that way. No deceptive practices coming. I think that as long as the rules exist here that do and are enforced etc. those that want to play with it should. I still have my objections with it replacing real talent and real work. I hate to think of all the people here that will be put out of work if the A.I. VR stuff becomes a thing.

I use both AI and also look at plenty of real clips. The AI is practically the only way to see my very niche preferences which basically do not exist for real, and so I feel it's therefore justified as it's not taking anything away from actual producers since nobody is making what I want to see.

I don't have much issue, to echo what the last guy said, the vids being produced with AI (AI Divinity for example) aren't being made (and probably couldn't be made) by flesh and blood producers. They look pretty close to what I assume reality would look like. I appreciate if fake would be labeled as such. But no issues here.

This gonna end up with people getting scammed with fake custom vids etc.

They won't need to BE scammed.

Once producers of A.I. vids can create 10 minute videos easily and realistically, as I said, you won't know the difference. But you won't need to. Purely anecdotal, but I know Al (Photoslop) already has been asked to create that kind of thing for a number of people.

He's never produced a live video in his life in regard to WAM. Then again, he will never have my bad knees and bad back while having to set up and clean up from a bunch of WAM videos. I have to admit that part is attractive -- creating videos without have to hire a model, schedule the model, pay the model, buy the pies/gunge etc and then figure out an exact time to shoot. A.I. takes all that away.

Some people won't view A.I. WAM as any different than any other advancement in technology.

Also someone above mentioned they miss the establishment of "set up" for a scene, etc.

Personally, I would agree. Most WANT and NEED that set up. Again, that comes from the hundreds of pie fans I have spoken with over the years. Strangely, not so true with proprietary (or is that proPIEitary) gunge fans.

Robby

You are 100% right. A new content creator will come along. They might start out with real videos and then switch to AI once they have a following. Then offer customs. People will think they are paying for model time, supplies etc. They won't be. They will be paying for 10% of the effort of a custom for someone to just sit behind a keyboard and fake it.

The idea that it is ok because it will be so good you won't be able to tell the difference is not ok. If you are paying for a custom and you are paying for real models and real supplies, to not get that is considered a bait and switch.

I see I have to go into further detail to explain about what I mean about scams. So say a fetish model makes a living doing customs. Someone takes her image and just uses it for a.i. and starts selling customs posing as her? Let's say someone gets an image of a model from one your videos and starts using their image to make their own custom business posing as that model? Do you see my point?

I've already seen short "vanilla" vids where it's 100% impossible to tell it was AI. And this is literally the forefront of it. Within 1 year, 2, 5, etc...doesn't matter, you'll never be able to tell AI WAM over studio produced with real models.

Generative AI of people - whether for WAM purposes, drama, comedy, documentary, whatever - can go fuck itself.

I will always interact with real models - or real producers and through them to real models - who are going to bring their own personalities that I enjoy and love to my customs, just as I enjoy watching certain actors on TV or film. That's my start and end of this. Everyone else will do what they will.

At some point EVERYONE will have access to user friendly AI. You won't need special programs or to know how to input the commands. In a few years anybody can make AI wam in their own house. At some point it will be 100 indistinguishable from real models/actresses/whoever. There still might be a market for real wam vids but it will be diminished.
Scams may or may not be a thing but if anybody can just make what they like, how many people are gonna get scammed into buying stuff they don't need to buy. Most people I assume will be happy making their own fantasies a reality...sort of.
Personal wam services may tick up though for people who need to know a real life person is involved.

I'm a fan of AI for personal use; I use it at times for fun but would never post it. AI had created some really cool WAM clips for me, but I don't do anything with them, I don't even save them. I look at it once and move on. It's a fun tool for me but not something that moves my WAM needle. I like real women getting messy, even if it's not exactly what I'm looking for.

My problem is people jamming up youtube with their AI slop, pushing down a fresh real clip someone uploaded on a whim. I have it blocked on here and I appreciate the folks who run this site for giving us that option. If you like AI WAM, nothing wrong with that but it's not for me. I prefer the real thing, even if it's a clip I've seen a thousand times. We're all on the lookout for fresh content and sometimes we need something new to look at, but I'd rather wait months for a real clip than someone making AI clips daily. Still the best option for me is to purchase videos from the producers themselves, that way you know exactly what you're getting and you know it involves real people. Plus it helps the community going.

I'm very firmly in the "Fuck AI" camp.

It's far too easy to use someone's likeness without their consent and generate whatever the hell you want, especially with how "good" you can make it look.

The implications for this just get more and more horrible when you consider what kind of people sculk around the shadier corners of the internet.

I hate it.

Zero is the only acceptable amount of tolerance for AI. Shun the users, prosecute the creators, smash the servers.

Yes. But that is a blatant copyright violation, A.I. notwithstanding.

Robby

Yeah but you won't be able to prove it in court, like you said soon the quality will be indistinguishable. Plus legal a.i. protections are slowly getting removed.

About six months or so ago, I was uploading lots of AI images and videos. I thought it was great. But over time, I've realized that fake is fake no matter how realistic it may look. There is no heart and soul in it.

The only thing I ended up using it for was to make wild scenarios unfold - ones that would take a whole bank to fund. For example, a movie about a mudslide that wipes out a town. (while miraculously not harming anyone)

I was able to do things that just wouldn't be possible in real life, such as a mall filling with mud, with shoppers on the escalators and elevators as they fill with mud. Not only would it be too expensive to shoot in real life, the weight of the mud would make it a dangerous situation.

Anyhow, here's a link to a trailer for the mudslide video: https://umd.net/profile/i/bobographer/section/videos/video/mudslide--the-movie

Also a second trailer which is much longer. . .
https://umd.net/profile/i/bobographer/section/videos/video/mudslide--the-movie--trailer-2

Copyright law is more about specific materials: text, photos, audio, video. Training models on copyright material is fair use as long as if it is transformative. Although, it is still in a gray area and there is legislation and lawsuits going on, I think. At least this is how it is in the US.

Generating a media of someone's likeliness and distributing it or selling it is a violation of other laws. Probably privacy laws, right of publicity laws, non-consensual pornography laws, deekfake laws, revenge porn laws, reputation laws, defamation laws, identity theft laws, fraud laws, and probably more. There are various laws in different States and countries. I am no law expert, but you can use the AI to explain it.

Most websites, including umd, has rules against submitting media of someone's likeliness without consent, or even real media without consent. It should be reported, users creating non-consensual content can be banned, and the content can be removed. If it is really bad, the victim should contact the police and get a lawyer. Capture evidence before reporting it and having it removed.

The quality will be, but in the case of an existing model, SHE won't be.

I think the solution is to have A.I. Producers and real models.

Robby

I think the possibilities are very exciting. I asked an image generator to enhance a screengrab from the famous "Three's Company" scene.