The creepiest pie thrower in the history of WAM!
Which is REALLY saying something.........

I saw a bunch of scenes with this guy on Hurley's old VHS tapes. It's pretty bad when even I'm icked out.

This guy should be a bit of a warning to us all.

As I recall, yes he was incredibly creepy, but I think at some point he was happily talking about being "piesexual", basically meaning he was straight but he'd indulged himself so greatly in this fetish that he was basically only turned on by WAM. Normal interaction with women just didn't do anything for him.

This was the 90s where pie scenes were few and far between, although it seems like his rocks got off not on watching it on a screen but participating, but this was an era of little WAM to work with. Nowadays, every week we're getting something decent from South America alone (well, on a good week) and just flooded with amateur youtube stuff, producers and such...

.. If this guy could fall apart in the 90s, it is probably easier to do so now.

So, be careful. Don't be this guy. Total creep. Harmless seeming, although who the fuck knows, if they found a freezer full of tubs of buttercream and decapitated heads in his basement, neither would surprise me. Hopefully he doesn't have twitter.

edit: Oh and to kind of further explain how the WAM community wasn't the cornucopia of plenty that it is nowadays, we were so desperate for anything that we'd trade videos of this guy in public blatantly getting his rocks off, not just outright saying it (which he did) but also quite disturbingly so in an obvious manner of how he behaved or the noises he'd make, and we'd sit through this shit just for the handful of pies he'd sometimes hit a female partner with.

Honestly, looking back, I think it's shit like this which kind of made me initially very biter about the community. My introduction went from my awareness from G and PG-rated slapstick mainstream shows... to a very hardcore XXX community and guys like this.

On one hand, we've all been there, the first time you discover others like you and that's great and special, but then it's like a world of shit, with this bald weirdo and seemingly everyone else exclusively into hardcore XXX stuff. Took me awhile to lighten up and get over that I'm not the most important person in the world (sadly) and that others find the same enjoyment I get from different stimuli.

It was a bit of a harsh reality, though.

i find this thread very fascinating, especially as I've been around for years and spent a lot of money on Hurley tapes, wamtec, rob blaine and the other handfuls that were around at the dawn of this site.

this was the guy who would write pie-related puns/things on his pies, right?

i mean, he looked a little odd but i always just felt like "well, don't judge a book by its cover" but only recently did i hear he was a creep, if it's the same guy i'm thinking of.

i'm not sure though i completely understand the full extent of why he was/is deemed so creepy? did he pull a Ken, or...?

With the important caveat that I only throw mud.

It's been reported in the past by people "in the know" who were either at the Jupiter, FL pie shoots in the mid-90s or heard tales from people who were there, that he tended to creep the models out in a fairly big way or that they sensed there was something 'off' about him. I believe a guy who actually dated Jo Bache for a while posted on the forums a couple of years back about some of her stories of this guy.

Yes!! I ordered this on VHS while drunk (I meant to order a different video) and it took a LONG time to undo this after watching it. No idea what possessed them to release something so awkward and creepy.

Hi All

This is the guy who gave MK the recipe for those great buttercream pies I used in many of my videos

Lenny

The guy was weird but it really didn't stop me from enjoying 'Samantha's Secret' and whatever the name of the vid(Exploration of the Piemative Culture?) this OP is featuring. Some great hits in it!