There has been lots of high quality content made, and still being made. Anyone who's been in the business for more than a few months will have (or at least should have) learned that certain things are vital:

• Film in a decent resolution
• Keep the camera steady
• Light the scene so we can see what's happening
• Use models who can carry off the style you want to see

It's not difficult and doesn't even have to cost that much - with decent lighting you can shoot an acceptable scene on a modern smartphone, spend a few $$$ on an HD camcorder and again, if properly lit you'll get results as good as most of the pros.

The problem is selling the content - it doesn't matter how high quality something is, if the target market amounts to three people, it's not going to be profitable. And because this is a fetish market, tastes are horrendously specific. To give just one example, it doesn't matter if you have the cameras of a Hollywood studio and an actual Hollywood actress as your model, if you put her in low-rise jeans, I'm not going to buy your scene, because I utterly detest that style of clothing.

We saw a spectacular attempt to raise the bar on WAM productions when the Moomins launched TopGunge - that was a serious attempt to get to TV-gameshow levels of production, with a proper studio, loads of models dressed to the nines all getting very messy. And for a while everyone raved about it. But ultimately they had to give up the studio and stop producing it, because not enough people were willing to fork out the $$ per episode to keep it going. And some of that was probably down to specificism, because this is a fetish market.

In a mainstream TV show, if you have some girls play a game and then push the losers into a big tub of gunge, it's funny, the audience will laugh, people will like the show. It won't even matter if all you see is the girls getting pushed and then the camera cuts to the host, to mainstream audiences that's funny, while the WAM audience tears its hair out at the missing "in the gunge", "climbing out", and "after" shots.

And on the mainstream show, it doesn't matter what anyone is wearing. Bikinis, dresses, jeans, show uniforms, whatever. But from the WAM audience POV, people who get turned on by jeans won't buy a dress scene. People who like knee length dresses will hate miniskirts. People who love high-waist jeans will hate low-rise. Some will want the contestants wearing waterproofs, some will want them in spandex, some will want boilersuits, some won't be interested unless pies-in-the-face are involved.

So any WAM producer looking to set up a TV-show style production faces the twin hurdles of both the high costs, and the deeply fractured audience reducing the likely sales figures.

So, most producers stick to shooting what they personally like, because that way even if something only gets three sales at least you're left with a production you can enjoy yourself. Personally I have no interest in nudity, so Saturation Hall is strictly fully clothed throughout. But I do like clothes filling, so we do quite a lot of it.

As to variety, the last few releases on Saturation Hall and Langstonedale have been:

• A young black woman in a legsuit swimsuit filling it with cream and soup.
  
• An older white woman in black combats and a corset covering herself in custard.
  
• A young woman with lovely curly hair, in American Apparel disco pants filling them with cream, custard, and pink gunge.
  
• Two young women, one black, one white, in formal dresses, filling and covering each other in custard and syrup.
  
• A young woman in jeans and a denim jacket having buckets of water poured all over her.
  
• A young woman in urban combats and a white jumper in the mud.
  
• Two young women in school uniforms soaking wet and covered in bubble bath.
  
• A young woman in boots and white jodhpurs going into the mud.

Ok, not much there for pie fans but the pie subgenre of WAM has multiple dedicated producers catering to it who know exactly what they are doing. Just about all of our scenes nowadays involve total head-to-toe coverage, and I'm still acquiring new models, we shot a mud scene on Saturday with a stunning new girl who despite never having done any form of WAM before absolutely loved it.

So no, I don't think things are getting stale, but the market is now so saturated with content that you do have to hunt to find the good stuff.

"What do you know, you're only a customer" you say. Sounds like the entitled bullshit attitude that is flooding a lot of things these days. With those attitudes you think that the lack of your money alone will bring people to their knees. I think you have over inflated your importance.

I can understand wanting new substances, but then again you probably haven't looked around much. Hell I saw the great Jessie do one with some tuna or anchovies or something, not my cup of tea, but she did it. Not sure how much more out there you can get.

If you are wanting to see new substances, like I mentioned get a custom. But instead, you started the thread bitching about nothing new, to later promote what you ignorantly think is the next big money maker for wam as an "untapped market" to then talking about things you liked from a particular producer. You could have started a thread about your favorite least used substance in wam or something you would like to see done as a custom. But then again, a custom would be hard to buy on a got fries with that career. So you complain and whine. Good luck with that.

I don't recall saying anything about wanting particular substances or saying that I couldn't find what I want. My point is simply that the large number of new clips allows me to find exactly what I'm looking for. That's the new paradigm. I don't need a custom because there's always a good clip out there.

I spend my money like anyone does. I was simply explaining why I spend it a particular way (in this case for authenticity) and tend to avoid some of the more mainstream producers, which is the point that this thread is discussing. Quality is not necessarily an important attribute in a scene, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

And Dalamar, sometimes, regardless of whether or not people choose to listen to it or not, hearing a differing viewpoint can be useful and informative.

I know what you mean, I have just invested $10,000 in my next idea, although to be honest that was to establish a production facility with long term goals