Sometimes I hate that i have this kink or fetish because of the behaviour of other wammers, we all.know that women here have a hard time. Someone i wam with regularly won't come on the site now because of the behaviour and messages she was getting. She creates content and is across a number of kinks, so before we go down thats just the internet,.parr of it is that but in her opinion wammers are way way worse than others.

This is not the only reason I writing this though I have seen behaviour this week that has sickened me. On Tiktok you have Jake suggesting a gunge vote between a woman and her child, search his name and he is hounding hundreds of women to get gunge or pied or both in jeans. You have Anthony, listers mate on here with vids where he has asked blaly under aged women to pie themselves and is now kink projecting with AI videos.

But these are just randoms on the internet ok lets look at a producer who has put out a casting call for people aged 16 up ..... 16!!! But its just a fun gunge game just fun but of course.to be considered you must either be 2 girls or 1 girl 1 boy. This same producer has also had a vid on socials.of him gunging a friends teen daughter!

So the question is why are wammers like this and so much worse than other kinks.

To keep.this on topic and in the busy messy forum not swept away in the depths somewhere. Here is a pie recipe for an ultra thick choc pie.

500grams of chocolate frosting

250grams of icing sugar

2 tablespoons of Sosa Emulsifier

250ml of Lemonade or other full sugar soda

Mix for 10 minutes or as long as needed to get a thick smooth cream.

All the approx 3 litres of mixture into a foil pie tin

I have been doing my own box in over whether I'm messaging soomeone too much only to have a message along the lines of "Oh np, chat on here is so broken " Look, I know this site is a passion project for MM but for a point of having a quick natter with someone, chat here is randomly borked. If you want it to work you need the correct browser, time of day, Mercury rising in the house of Sagittarius and to say three Hail Marys to the ghost of Bill Shipton.

Eww that guy on TikTok sounds more disgusting than NastyGunge's session shopping list.

Can confirm, that recipe is good if you want sticky pies with great coverage. Click my profile pic.

I had the same conversation with a few people recently . As far as ethics go among the various facets of the kink scene , we seem to be the least mindful in the wam world and I just dont know why. So many ppl trying to involve minors, trick ppl into wam under the guise of charity or slapstick fun etc. YOU NEED TO GET CONSENT TO INVOLVE PPL IN UR KINK NO MATTER WHAT IT IS. I have called out ppl before but got exhausted by it and have stopped because people just don't care. You'll remember the thread where a parent was asking how others get privacy from their kids for wam and a user on here said they should just involve the kids..that user still remained on the site after mods took a look. Or the other guy who posted pics outside a supermarket getting 'pied for charity ' , restrained with bondage furniture (just reposted them cropped after I made a fuss) .... the thread about hosting public events with church groups etc...I could go on and on.

I am also baffled as to why can't so many people see the issue of making fetish content with ppl under 18? So what if there's no sex, some one is fapping to it. There's plenty of non wam bondage content without sex, do we excuse that with minors? No we dont ?!

I despair . I feel like I have been so so lucky having met and gotten messy with a very small number of ppl that I met online because what I generally see online and the stories other ppl tell me are so off putting. Now I have met a small bunch, I dont need to go through the stress of finding more ppl. On that note - thanks for being so 'normal' and never making me feel unsafe, never put me at risk and consistently being an excellent human to get messy with and to know .

I will preface all comments by saying that NONE of this is an excuse for the poor behavior many display!!

I think a big "problem" with WAM or Sploshing as a kink is that, unlike some other kinks and fetishes that are more "mainstream", there is a version of the actions that are purely innocent. I grew up in the era where a kid's TV channel in the US that prominently featured the color orange (trying to avoid breaking terms and conditions) would routinely use pies and slime as pranks (though the stories that came to light about some of the execs over the last few years might give me some cause to reconsider the motives tbh.) In general, pies in the face, buckets of slime, and food-related messes can all reasonably viewed as just pranks or silly fun to a lot of people. Some people outside of the fetish community I have spoken with have no idea that WAM was even a fetish people had and even a lot of people I have spoken to over on FetLife don't really have any idea about the fetish or kink aspects of WAM (though they typically can understand it rather quickly.)

WAM is definitely NOT the only fetish or kink with an innocent companion action per se, but I wonder if the fact that food messes or pies and such are thought of more as funny or silly in the general population than kink that it contributes to the issue somehow. Not sure if there maybe being less eyeballs on this corner of the fetish world gives people more confidence to be louder about those thoughts or if it even factors in at all.

On the topic of that pie recipe, it looks amazing! I wish it wasn't as difficult to get that emulsifier over in the US.

I dont think the the number of messages is the issue unless they are unawnsered obviously and having spoken with you a few times i am sure they are nice messages hi how are you, would you like to chat etc. Not opening overly sexual messages like i would love to do x y z with you, or do you want to see my privates covered in nutella. The very fact you thought to check yourself.is a green flag.

I mean just look at the comments made on pictures here then imagine what the in box.is like. Better still ask a female.friend on here if you can see.theirs, ot will.open your eyes.

Also well.done on trying the recipe,.glad.you had fun.

This is true and gives us a whole new problem, people who do an innocent charity event (not the blatant wammers using it as an excuse to endulge in their kink with no consent.) or a.play where someone gets pied or being at a mexican for their birthday, then find their vids given odd comments and that vid is shared on fetish sites or even porn sites.

I cant believe we are allowed to share these vids on here without consent from the op purely.because if we didnt it would so dramatically reduce the content.on here. Maybe if we stopped.pirating and sharing videos and more importantly wasn't so toxic as a community that models and content creators dont need to take.long or permanent mental health breaks.from here because of the messages.or.because someone has sent them a pic of them pleasuring them selves on a video still or made.a creepy AI deepfake of the person and now wants them to act it out. Just a few examples I am sure there are more and remember this is often the first message.

On topic thank you try SP Emulsifier get the paste, its from Thailand but looks to be available on Ebay

Here's a theory:

A large number of male wammers love to see a woman humiliated. The purpose of wam is just the method of humiliation.

A smaller number (such as myself) see wam as a sensual thing, the desire to either see videos of women enjoying it sensuously, or the desire to find an actual real-life wam partner to enjoy the shared experience with.

So if the majority of men want to humiliate women, could it be that the attitude behind that could be carried over into a lack of respect and common decency in the way they see women in general? Could that be why so many male wammers treat the women they encounter in a disrespectful, humiliating manner?

Of course I'm not putting down all male wammers but I see a connection through the desire to humiliate.

Honestly I think this is true for many. It's why I don't reply to grimm DMs anymore because I know pushing back or telling them off is part of what they want, they get a kick out of it ... but there's also the internal struggle of 'If I don't say something they'll do this to other women' .

Can confirm, BlueMeanie is very pleasant to chat with- knows how to be silly and cheeky on the right side of the line.

This is it. The problem is wammers exploit the the innocence of people outside of the scene and its so wrong - its not consent . Consenting to filming being gunged without the contect of 'this is fetish content by the way' is deceptive and creeping. It's predatory.

It's a valid theory this should only be done after consent though not a given because this is a fetish site. It is but consent is still key and a first message being I get off seeing your pics because of this and I imagine doing this to you should not be a first message.

Do we need a more zero tolerance approach as Violet said she reported various things and was met with excuses not action. For example someone suggesting a couple get there kids involved in their wam play was not banned because they said teen kids so could have been 18, so just incest not underage although probably was. Surely that should just be ban, maybe the person buys a lot of clips? The person blatantly tricking the public into wamming them outside a supermarket during the day at the least in front of kids even if not involving them - dressed in full drag in a fetish restraining chair. Crop it a bit and the pic can stay, so can you. The delay on a decision over the Mostwam situation (this lost us some great creators and members who no longer felt safe). Do I think this had a financial reason for the delay, who knows. Yet there have been people banned for less.

The fact if someone gets pied in a restaurant we can share that here with them having no knowledge. Got pied on your birthday put it on YouTube now you are on fetish and porn sites, her come the creeps . Did you enjoy it, next time wear this, would you like me to x y z you next time and they are the public ones.

It saddens me what is allowed and people get away with. I have been here a long time and it used to be little things, producers allowed to break rules about re posting the same ad because because. People being reported as unsafe and abusing powers being allowed to stay a mod. People selling without the site getting a cut though gone in minutes.

I do think the site is dying off and things like rules saying so long as the person is agreeing to be messy you can share the vid from pg sites to a fetish site being used because if not content on the site would be minimal. Don't get me wrong great pie scene on this tv program etc fair but the person who agreed to be pied for their sorority or thought getting pied on their birthday was funny and put it on YouTube is very different to agreeing to be on a fetish site. Look how many post it and go don't be weird and scare them off though guys.

If we had a zero tolerance of the creeps and listened more to the women on here. Look how many times people like Bratty and Violet called it out and gave up. Maybe just maybe this forum could be fun again and less like lord of the flies fighting over a conch.

I think that this is the unfortunate truth. For me the fetish is a mixture of both, with the giving and receving of the humiliation aspect being the primary one I enjoy and the sensory and sensual experience being secondary. This isn't a bad thing. Humiliation is a pretty natural fetish in the scheme of things and factors into many BDSM-adjacent kinks.

The issue is when people cross the line from enjoying content produced for this or engaging in it with informed and consenting partners to instead actively trying to force it on unwitting and unconsenting individuals. Some people don't even acknowledge the line due to their experience seeing people experience it in a non-fetish context.

To that end, the very knowledge that the intended target is even *reading* the message is probably enough. The secondary (and likely ultimate goal) is that after asking 500 separate people to do something they want, they may eventually find someone who actually does it.

As for the underage thing, it's unfortunate that a lot of WAM-related content that aired as we were growing up involved children and families. This undeniably influenced many of us and while most of us can move past it to exclusively content relating to adults, it seems some people struggle with this.

[Emulsifier: You should be able to use any sort of emulsifier for this. The Sosa one is primarily Xantham Gum, which has plenty of equivalent US brands which will function similarly.]

Is that "Ultra Thick Chocolate Pie" meant for eating or throwing? Because mm boy, I can't imagine anything more refreshing to have in your eyes than 250 ML OF LEMONADE.

I thought that to but it doesn't sting at all you can use any full fat soda though Dr Pepper etc