...just like with the TSA (at airports)...not for nothin' but...maybe there should be a pre-check equivalent for established and long-time producers / members...instead of waiting for photo 'approval' from a moderator (presumably)...we've been here forever; we know the rules.

Sadly, it's nothing to do with trust and common sense. Those days are long gone on the internet. Especially if it's anything to do with sex.

The real point of it is users being seen to be legally accountable and traceable for posting content. Specifically adult content. If we haven't provided our ID we are technically anonymous. Doesn't matter who we might reasonably appear to be.

If we have submitted our legal identity we are then individually, legally responsible for the content and whether or not it's legal (or whomever's identity document it might be, is)

It's the billing companies' rule and we can thank all the people who posted underage abuse images and videos on those well known tube sites for this situation. To the billing companies we are just another tube site unless we comply. It's sad, but it's as simple as that. They could shut us down like that.

I get that. Still, it is illegal to traffic drugs and firearms through airports, but the TSA allows pre-check people an expedited security check. On the idea that someone whose information is 'on file' with the gov would never do that (smuggle contraband in the carry-ons).

But I guess, there are equivalencies to pre-check already in-place, like the 'verification' process on 'porn' sites like fet life. We could do something similar here. OTH, I hate giving out my personal ID to some internet forum/website. So there it is. Nevermind.

Nobody likes it and many have gone. I nearly did.

UMD is unique in that it combines download stores with a forum to pay for itself to avoid having to seek external advertising and staying a private site. This is the best of a bad situation. I know MM looked at every possible alternative. The worst is that photo ID verification would be mandatory for site sign up.

I don't think this is an option or a good idea. The picture pre-check if I remember right is because of the credit card companies requirements around nudity, thanks youtube etc.

The reason I do not think it is a good idea is because some of those good long standing members have turned out to be not great people. Some of them have left by choice, others because their actions warranted them no longer being welcomed here.

Certain checks and balances are now required because technological ignorance is no longer acceptable and while the laws will always be playing catch up to technology, they seem to be moving faster with a sledge hammer instead of a rock hammer. Especially now that you have states thinking they have the means to police and govern the internet.

I am waiting for the day when Messmaster is put in a position where he has to govern AI images. I know that has been some of the issue around the SAG and WGA strikes. The carefree trusting days of the internet have ended I am afraid.

Precisely. What we are seeing when brands require photo verification is the result of a community's failure to self govern. If we fail to enforce fair and safe business practices or ethics into what we do (or accountability when one of us fails to), someone else will be more than happy to do it for us. Any trust to entities, persons or strangers opens a huge door of consequences if you are wrong. For instance JUST recently a producer in the porn industry has been exposed as having been both abusive and predatory to the women he has worked with. Word is, it has been happening for an extended period of time and women are starting to come out about it now. Trust only goes so far no matter how well established you may think you are. The liabilities on any host for the content you are sharing are far too large to make exceptions




As I said, recent events here not withstanding, it isn't just in this community. It's not just here it's required and if anything, compliance is lax here compared to C4S or other clip sites which requires photo verification, Model releases of each model you shot with OR anyone who appears on camera (Yes, even if they are just cameramen or lighting guys who accidentally came into frame) along with photo ID of each model and so forth. This is pretty much the standard for compliance on most sites in the US and anyone NOT adhering to those norms is taking on risk. MM is doing everyone a huge favor by not asking for such things here. He could and there would probably be 3rd parties who would insist that he should. He hasn't, yet. Be thankful for that.




This has been the way the government has worked for decades. They have been and always will be reactive and not proactive when it comes to the more nuanced things and freedoms we have for the reasons of trying to not appear heavy handed or overreaching in their responses. That is OUR responsibility. When we fail in our responsibility, the next in line who is likely to be effected the most takes the wheel. In this case, it is the credit card companies and merchants who process the transactions.


It will happen. It is bound to. The list of stars, producers and agents supporting the strikes are long and VERY well known from Rob Lowe to Christopher Pine. Even the Teamsters who are under contract until 2024 (thus will not make any official statement supporting the strikes) has made a statement that they will not cross any picket lines. Again, failures in self governance and being complacent in the face of certain behaviors made this all possible. AI doesn't even have its nose out of the gate, and people already don't trust each other with it.

The difference here is the TSA has government funding to make such things possible. Also we are comparing criminal intent to financial responsibility here. You try to smuggle narcotics on a plane, pre check or not, you and you alone are going to face federal penalties if you are caught. Not the airline.

Here doesn't work like that. If we go by the "In good faith" method and MM is wrong, Not only can he face severe financial penalties but criminal as well. With the systems in place, the responsibility is all on your shoulders to make sure that you are in compliance and if you are not, the burden of all penalties fall on your shoulders, as it should.

This should tell us all we need to know about our society.

We are only 3 years removed from when an angry mob of hundreds of people stormed the US Capitol with just simple rumors and gossip. We are starting to see in full detail the dangers of unfettered irresponsible access to information at a blink of an eye. Disinformation campaigns used to take our intelligence agencies months, even years to fully implement in foreign nations. Now, it can be done in days and sometimes even less and all it takes is a few shared ideas and a PC with internet access. Now take that same power and factor in the ability to create lifelike images or even moving images near impossible for the uninitiated (IE those who are not AI artists themselves or intelligence agencies) to discern? The potential damage it presents is pretty damned scary.

It creates the paradox of "If it is too hard to believe, is it true, and if it is true, should it be too hard to believe?".