With the passing of Hef today I raised the subject on another forum viz the long lost Playboy Bunnies pie fight that happened in The Steve Allen Show in the 1960's. Neither Hurley nor myself nor anyone has been able to track down a copy of that show, and one of the pie mafia wrote to Mr Allen before he passed away, inquiring about whether that tape still existed in the archives. Mr Allen wrote back and said that even he did not have a copy of that show in his archives, and it was believed to be lost (wiped). So....that scene appears to be a dead end. However ....

Somebody just tipped me off that there was another messy foodfight involving Playboy Bunnies and a photo spread was published in the Feb 1968 edition of Playboy magazine. That messy pictorial was titled as "Let Yourself Goo"....which sounds promising and worth a look. Does anybody have that edition of Playboy and can scan and post those pics. If not, there are several websites where that vintage mag can be ordered ...

http://www.backmagazines.com/PLBOYmagPLBOY196802.htm

Interesting to note that what we now call "wam" was referred to as "Goo" back in 1968.

MK

Mark forgive me for drifting the thread in a different direction...I have no information about either of those bunny pie fights. Just a hope they were better than the messy games on the 80s vintage Playboy Channel. Bad camerawork and an emphasis on messing host Chuck Woolery doomed the effort on some messy "Playmate Olympics" games.

But what I wanted to ask....in a post from a few months ago, you thought you had a chance to get a cleaner copy of the Goldie Hawn caking during an airing of a "Laugh-in" re-run. Were you able to capture it and did it make it onto a clip download yet?

Thanks!

Firstly, an update on that 1968 Playboy spread about a messy foodfight pictorial. I know a guy who has that magazine stashed away in his attic. He confirms to me that the girls in the photoset were not Playboy bunnies....but were girls in cocktail dresses. He is going to dig thru his attic and see if he can scan and post those pics.

Secondly, the point you raise about the Playmate Playoffs of 1986 are duly noted. Actually I am more of wetlook fan than a pie fan and I consider Playboy to be a catalyst and inspiration for me to become a producer....because myself and most of the wetlook producers I know hated the style of wetlook in their magazines, and so most of the producers I know were not satisfied with the way Playboy covered wet and messy scenes, and they felt they could do them better themselves. If Playboy were any good at doing wet and messy scenes, then there would be no need for WAM producers to exist....and so ironically it was Playboy's ineptitude at staging and executing wam scenes that cause people like myself and Lenny of Pievids to start making our own videos. Playboy for us....was the shining example of everything that was done wrong.

As for the Playmate Playoffs with Chuck Woolery.......there were 3 kinds of WAM scenes in those games....wet games, pie games and mud games.....and basically if you were to rate them separately then I think the mud fans were pretty happy, because the mud scenes were done very well and would score a 10 out of 10 for mud fans.....but the wet games and pie games were staged so poorly the wetlook content was so negligible it would rate only as a 1 out of 10, and the pie games were so lame (throwing shaving foam pies in the air that barely hit anyone)...those would rate as worthless as well. But I would say those games were great if you were a mud fan.

Lastly, the Goldie Hawn "pie mystery". We know such a scene exists,,,because I have an old and poor copy of it...so I would sure I could grab a better copy as the DECADES TV channel were re-running the entire series. I faithfully recorded all 6 seasons and 140 episodes....and that scene was not on any episode I could find. We know that Goldie only appeared in the first 3 seasons of Laugh In....I recorded all those episodes twice.....because the first time I could not find it....so I thought I missed it...so I waited until they replayed all those first 3 seasons again....and again....I could not find it again....so this is a mystery. That scene does not appear in the current DECADES TV airings of the show. If you can find out more info on the show number that scene was on, I can look out for it and tape it a 3rd time....but I cannot find it.

MK

Mark, some other laugh in info that might help:

There were 'other' episodes:

- an 'Anniversary Special'
- and "A one-time special of Laugh-In aired on September 9, 1967. The special was so successful that it was brought back as a regular series. That special has also been considered the pilot episode"

one of the specials was broadcast right after season 4 (but taped before season 4)

also, the complete series has been released on dvd remastered, the full box set collection includes the 'pilot' and there is also a 'producers collection' sold seperately that includes the anniversary special and 2 special collections (specials?) 'holidays' & 'love & romance'

hope this helps

Well ... maybe 8 out of 10.

Thanks for the Laugh In information. That could be the answer, that the missing Goldie scene was on one of those "specials" and that special was not included in the syndicated package that George Schlatter has sold to the Decades TV channel....so that is why I cannot find it.

I will have to leave this one to the pie fans to get the DVD boxed set then, because I am not really a pie fan myself and so I am not gonna buy the DVD boxed set.....especially as the version I saw of that Goldie pie scene was not well staged or shot....i.e. the scene only lasts about 2 seconds before she turns her back and walks off the stage....so frankly I do not think this Goldie scene is worth chasing for a 2 second scene....and not worth it to buy the DVD Boxed Set. On the scale of things, this Goldie scene is extremely brief and not worth chasing down.

Now....if the they come out with a new Blu Ray release of "A Day at The Races" that fully restores the long lost Esther Muir footage that Groucho cut from the film (reportedly cutting it and saying "we're not The 3 Stooges")....I would certainly be willing to spend whatever it takes to get that scene.....cos so far we have only seen the still photos but never seen the actual scene as it was filmed....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx3kJd4hCwI

As a kid I remember seeing the Goldie caking live when it aired. I was so shocked I asked my brother (for verification) who got caked and he confirmed what I thought I saw, that it was Goldie. It was near the very end of that show. It ran after Laugh-in had run for long enough that I knew well of Goldie at the point of the caking. Since then, Hurley's clip allowed me to see it again (and in color, since I originally saw it in black & white). It would be nice to see the stock footage if it existed.

Thanks Mark for the information. I dont blame you for not wanting to buy the boxed set. I don't think I would either, and I am a huge fan of this scene.

I like the scene, short or not because: its Goldie Hawn! She looks great in the waitress get up. It's a great hit.

Sure...the scene leaves something to be desired. But for me, its still a really good scene.

Anyways....Mark I appreciate your trying to capture it!

Well....they are currently airing the season 2 episodes again, so I will set my DVR and try one more time to see if it is there in the early season episodes....but I doubt it, cos I recorded them all twice before.

This could be like the earliest Carol Burnett shows....i.e. for 40 years the only seasons that were sold and syndicated on TV were seasons 6 onwards, and the first 5 seasons were never re-aired on tv....and it is only recently that the first five scenes have been released, but they are mostly only on the Time-Life DVD boxed set and not on any tv channel.

We know that Debbie Reynolds was in a pie fight with Carol Burnet and that scene has not been seen since it aired in 1970, because it was among the first 5 seasons that were never syndicated. That scene is easy to identify the episode number, because Debbie only appeared on that show 1 time, in 1970 (Season 4 episode 12). All I have of that scene is an incomplete few seconds of it and I would like to get the full scene, but I am not about to sign my life away to Time-Life and buy the boxed set and then they bombard you with DVDs for the next 3 millions years....so I will wait until somebody else puts that scene on Youtube. But for the record, no pie fan I know has yet obtained a full copy of this scene (see my screen grabs).

MK