I've noticed a slight change in recent months here in the messy forum.

First of all, let me say that I totally understand everyone is into their different aspects of wam. But lately, I seem to be seeing more specific things and fewer 'mainstream' posts. By mainstream, I don't mean public TV, etc. but what had always been the main type of wam shared here.

I've been seeing two trends of late. One is the messing of boots, feet, raincoats, etc. where the body and face of the model is kept clean. The other is females messing with males, sometimes in a sexual way. There's just too much sausage for my tastes. Is it just me, or does it seem as if these two types of wam are making up nearly half of the posts on here?

The other thing I've seen is clips for sale where a girl is advertised as getting messy or slimed or whatever in a bikini, yet the video only shows from the shoulders (sometimes the boobs) up. The frustrating part is when you can see her shoulders move, indicating she is smearing it all over her body, yet the camera stays pretty much just on the face.

I'm thankful for the tried-and-true pioneers who are still active and still posting more 'traditional' wam, such as Ariel, Jayce, Rich, Mostwam, MessyGirl, MessyWorld and many others. (sorry for those I forgot to mention)

Anyhow, thanks again to all who post head-to-toe messes, involving the girl getting truly wet and messy, not just wearing a messy outer piece of clothing while she remains clean underneath. Here are a few older photos that sum up what I call mainstream wam.

For me this forum & wam in general seems to be just like porn in the main where I see wam as being erotic & the messing up of beautiful clothes & formalwear is few & far between these days.

Wam for me is more interesting if allowed to use your imagination more. If you want porn which is not for me at all go buy a porn dvd but if you want WAM I thought it was supposed to be erotic. That's my take on it & wam is being naughty & something you shouldn't do to a wedding dress or a gorgeous suit or frilly blouse. The obsession for nudity is a turn off for me. We all know what is underneath.

Widgy

Its Jay said:

For those that fall into this catergory, there is a group on UMD "Messy Female Hair" which (now) has hundreds of pictures of women in this situation. Check it out.

WAM to begin with is a very niche fetish. Add in everyone's unique wet and messy tastes and vices (clothing, nude, pies, white jeans...you name it) and you will be hard pressed to find someone completely in line with your WAM vision. It is what makes this community extremely diverse. Give it a day, a week, a month and the amount of variety of content published in the form of forum posts and new videos is not only great in numbers but highly impressive.

If you can find two people on here with the same tastes in WAM, then you've found one guy with two accounts...

For me, some of the naughtiness is the sensuality of it all. Pour slime inside of a woman's dress, and she feels it on her skin, and feels the fabric sliding on her and it's also naughty, very sensuous, borderline sexual, but not porn. I'm ok with tasteful nudity, and with scantily clad women getting messy, but also full dresses, etc. as long as they are clinging to her body, and not hanging off of her indicating that she's not messy under that fabric.


I think the most practical thing would be to try and incorporate a few of these preferences into videos. Unless a producer already has a huge following and their style is known, a new or smaller producer might mix a few elements together. For example, a girl goes into the muddy area in boots, but takes them off, maybe fills them with mud and puts them back on, then rolls around in the mud, maybe fills a boot with watery mud, pours it over her face and head, etc. so there is a little something for most wam fans. Also, the video could have some close up face shots, but also full-length shots too. She could also gradually strip till she's nude. She could even end up masturbating.

Same idea with an indoor shoot. Start with a girl getting pied, with a close-up camera shot. Pan out, and the pies are hitting her body, then slime is dumped on her. She starts removing outer clothing and focus is on her feet, with her heels getting messy. She slowly takes them off and we see her bare feet. Finally she stretches out on the floor (or a pool) in the mess, and more is dumped on her. She removed the last of her underthings and enjoys the mess, perhaps eventually masturbating. Once again, more variety in the one video SHOULD result in more sales, if the model is attractive and the lighting is good.

It can't be denied that piracy is both destructive, endemic and morally disheartening but market saturation is *greatly* underestimated as a causal factor in poor individual sales. It's played down because it sounds too resentful towards peers, whereas piracy is easy game because they are 'others'; 'outsiders'.

It has brought a greater 'choice' but simultaneously devalued the form as a whole. When that happens, the commercially driven homogenise their content - not out of greed as much as desperation to survive.

It's very difficult to be 'impartial' about something we're so obsessed with - and the way the scene 'feels' might not quite be the way it actually is. Here is an interesting post in which Robbie WLP attempted to methodically assess the WAM market by conducting a reasonably thorough survey of - what began with random questions to - WAM fans and continued over two decades or more.

https://umd.net/forums/wam-research-theres-going-to-be-a-quiz-l?start=0

While i do like to see some nudity at the end of wam and, on occasion, messy female masturbation (usually as a result of mesy and ruined clothes being cut or ripped/torn off), i generally agree with the tone of this quote. It does seem like there's been a general uptick in straight nudity over time.
With straight nudity, there's no mystique or anticipation of what's underneath.
For me, WAM can be porn but it's not "standard" porn. WAM is the eroticism, the tease, the buildup. nude wam is like going to a set course banquet and just getting desert as your only course.

Definitely been a lack of quality cake sitting videos produced recently....

100% agree with that. I've found the trending lately to be either getting clothes wet in the rain or slime.

I find that it comes in waves. The actual traditional 'mess' has it's moments where it lacks, I assume becuase our lovely producers just as Jayce, Mostwam (To name a couple) are busy producing new content.

I don't think they are dominating completely but I think we do all tend to notice more stuff we don't like than stuff we do. I've no interest in the more XXX side of things, nudity doesn't interest me and people having sex don't appeal at all, but I've no problem with those scenes being there for those who like them.


I've been complaining about that off and on for years. I gather there are a lot of people who are only interested in seeing a girl's face getting pied, and those scenes appeal to them, and presumably sell in large numbers. In our scenes here, we always film either full head-to-feet wide shot, or if hand-held, we come in close to where the gunge is actually being applied, so if a girl's having her trousers filled the camera will be looking from just above her waist to her upper legs so we can see the results as the mess is poured in, and also see it going in.


All of our current scenes here at Saturation Hall are full head to toe, inside and outside, complete saturation messy. We normally start with clothes filling, so you can be sure the girls get very, very messy.


Allwam used to do lots of satin outfits, but I gather they basically had their revenue destroyed by piracy. I've shot some formal and wedding dress scenes, the first time we ever used TV gunge rather than food was a wedding dress scene, where Rosemary got totally drenched in green slime in a very lovely wedding gown. Best way to get more formal scenes filmed is to buy the ones that are already out there, and in fact that applies to all styles, if someone sees something they like, buy it, as that's how the producers know it's worth doing more of those scenes.


I'm not sure that's necessarily the case, while I can't speak for anyone else I'm always very wary of being seen to copy someone else's ideas. Some things, like higher or lower with a pack of cards, are fairly universal because no one producer can claim ownership of a game that's way older than any of us - though we did still do our own winkle on it by using actual casino-played cards from Las Vegas when we do our card game scenes. But I'd never look to see what's top video and then try and shoot a copy of it. I think most of us who shoot scenes tend to mostly shoot what we personally like, hence all the Moomin scenes with girls in officewear, or all the scenes I've done with girls in overalls or in sportswear.


I suspect it's more down to that being what the producer who shoots those scenes likes to see. Must admit I've seen those scenes (there are at least two producers who've done them) where the girls only get their boots messy and wondered if any of those scenes actually sell, but more keep getting released so presumably they do.


Unfortunatly WAM doesn't really work like that. To take the example you've just given, if a scene starts out clothed but then goes nude, chances are I won't buy it because I'll be expecting the clothed section (which is the only bit I'm interested in) to be rushed / incomplete, because both producer and model will be regarding the nude section to be where the money shots are, whereas to me the money shots are seeing the first gunge on the models' outfit(s). Fetishes in general tend to be ultra-specific, so while trying to pack lots of things into a single video did work back in the days of 2 hour VHS cassettes costing $50 each with six varied scenes on, nowadays people want to be able to pick and choose just their personal taste. So it actually makes more sense to focus on catering to a defined niche within WAM, especially if you already know that there are customers wanting that niche. If someone's into messy feet, they don't want to have to watch (or skip through) a long scene to get to "their bit", rather they want scenes that are primarily about messy feet.

I specifically don't have a "Top Seller" indicator at Vidown for that very reason. A large number of our non-WAM producers were former top sellers at Clips 4 Sale. It was infuriating to them that any clip in the top-10 was immediately copied by cloners, (sometimes even duplicating the dialog word for word) which then landed in the top-10 as well. They came over to Vidown because of it and pretty much abandoned their other stores, which has made both them and me much happier

It would be pretty pointless at Vidown anyway. WAM stores would never be in the top sellers overall, and even if I separated the genres and had multiple lists, the same handful of major WAM vendors would always have all of the top spots anyway. It would essentially just be more advertising for people who were already doing better than everyone else. Sometimes that's due to superior product, but for a lot of the old guard, their brand has a lot of inertia all by itself.

There is an old adage that was as true in advertising as it is in WAM. Sex sells. I think we have a couple of situations going on. I think we have a type of WAM where the market is flooded with it and because sales stays high that says this is where the demand is. There are other types of WAM where the full clothing sets are few and far between because the demand is not there as much. Producers are not going to make a ton of content that does not sell. If you want different content speak with your pocket. The other situation is that there are producers making content that a minority of the group like and those updates have started to decrease because of the pocket book. I know that most producers will agree that they did not get into the business thinking they would get rich. I am under no delusions about the money issue and that some of the great content does not sell. I will full on admit I am guilty in many ways of this. There are a lot of sets I should have purchased but didn't because of financial issues, as well as size of the video. For me if the video is over a gig in size it better be over an hour in length.

I do think that something that might help is to split things up a little bit more. If there are those that like a couple of pies then straight to nudity and mostly nude WAM that is great. For the producers and the people making that content that is great if it sells make it. Same goes for the clothed WAM and if it sells keep making it. I would like to see a couple of sections for the WAM made. In my mind there are 3 categories of messy WAM that we could create.

1. Mostly nude scenes.
2. Mostly clothed scenes.
3. Not clothed AKA swimming suits.

I don't think we would need to get to the point of nit picking 80% of a video clothed and 20% nude etc. If a good portion of the content is clothed then it goes in that category.

I need to see women in white pants pied... /s

Yeah and it use to be alot (if not all) of amateur free stuff, power of the dollar !!! LOL

More like power of advancing technology and the ease of modern micropayments.

We still have enthusiastic amateurs, have a look at some of what The Fetish Couple have posted - they're not a production company but a couple who're into wamming each other, but what they give away as free samples is more than you got in paid-for photoshoots not that long ago. Given the cost and effort that goes into producing wam scenes, I'm glad people can now easily montise it and get a return for sharing their work with us all.

Ztd is one half of another amateur couple who produce superb erotic WAM. Understandably for the moment they are on pause, due to the birth of their child, but there are those amongst us who await their return with some anticipation.

Do you have "Strict" set? If you just set "Female" then you see all scenes that have women in them, including co-ed scenes. If you want to only see women and no men at all, set "Strict" and the co-ed scenes will be filtered out.