This is my take on real pictures vs AI

Personally, a.i. wam is not my thing. I can't disassociate from the fact something is a.i. and fake. I know there's people in the community who can, but I just can't. My whole thing is, I like to see "actual" real women do real messy things. No matter how realistic the technology becomes, once I know it's not a real woman in a real messy scene, it does nothing for me.

I like both, when they show what I want. Another factor in favor of AI, though: If you look at the best (real) TV and movie piefights, most of the victims are hit only once, unless there's a "bit" for another hit. (Such as Mary Ainslee's "Somebody give me a pie") In WAM productions that isn't economical. In fact unless there's a "bit" I lose interest after the 3rd or 4th pie. Your no longer pieing a face but pieing a pie. But I can have 10 or more fresh victims each getting the first pie.

AI is a load of shite that is ruining the internet. To it I say eff off.

Fuck AI.

(no offense to those who enjoy it for wam stuff)

AI seems great for Wammers. Why the hate?

I get the hesitance over it replacing artists and LLMs making people thicker, but I don't see the issue in this case. You realistically can't shoot certain types of wam scenes (gameshow, tv, public ones) which it can emulate.

From my perspective, I do not like AI generated stuff because it simply is not real. I love Skirtpie's pix and have been commenting on them for years; his wife is hot and I love her outfits. My only complaint is that he didn't take more pictures and video when he pied her. But that's also what makes his shots so great. He actually did pie his wife, multiple times while she was dressed really well. The AI stuff is basically just a high-level of animation. Yes, I enjoy cartoons on occasion but I prefer things being a real; yes, I realize that argument kind of flies in the face of acting and the whole storytelling genre.

Screen grab from May 2024

You are missing our point, it's not about the realistic technology, not everyone can dissociate from the fact that it's not a real woman in a real messy situation. It's the equivalent of pretending you saw something versus actually seeing something happening.

I guess I should be thankful that I can disassociate. Blessing or curse?

As someone who's done both real and AI to satisfy my fetish of messy feet:

I have (but not as much as I'd like, but can't we all say that?) pied women's bare soles and licked them clean*. There is that sensation that hits all 5 senses that AI can't replace right now.

I love the videos AwkwardWife3000 posts of her feet getting messy. I love when she takes off her shoes and socks, exposing her natural toes, wiggling them with anticipation of getting messy. I'd love to see some whipped cream pies smashed into her bare soles after her shoes/socks get taken off.

I have used AI to create videos of women in fancy and/or business dress getting their bare feet pied. I can disassociate and get off to that as needed, because it's now in that "uncanny valley" territory. You're still limited by what AI video models know, and the length of the clips. Plus, it ain't cheap.

But there's nothing like when you find the "holy grail". There was a scene from a show when I was a kid that really kickstarted my love of messy feet. I hadn't seen it for decades, but it surprisingly popped up out of the blue on YouTube last night.

For those asking: I can't post it here because although the clip uploader tried, minors couldn't be fully edited out, so I can't post it here if I want to avoid the banhammer.

As for people saying that when it comes to AI not having real women in real situations, I agree. That being said, some women do enjoy the feeling of getting their feet messy, but there's also many who are just acting like they do because they're getting paid to do so. YMMV.

* I really have the urge to do this again.

AI is just making people lazy. Why should I do all the work to learn about lighting and how that will impact a picture or video. Why should I try and hire models and pay them for their work. I can just pull up AI and do what I want. Why keep people employed.

Learning how to shoot with a camera and set up for a shoot is not something that is unattainable. I have seen posts on here discussing those things and there are producers sharing tips and tricks just giving away that knowledge. There are discussions about compression rates and software to use for editing. All this information is given away for free. There are people that shoot sessions with their phones, most everyone has a smart phone with a decent lens. You don't have to spend thousands on a camera to get started. But there are benefits to doing it. You are going to have to step out of your comfort zone to hire a model. The hardest thing about hiring a model for some people on this forum is going to be treating them with respect and making them feel comfortable with shooting with you.

I don't like AI as it feels fake to me, but that is just my opinion.

However, i noted that under the "people" section sometimes there are a lot of synthetic pictures uploaded at once. It seems that it is easy to generate a lot of content in a short amount of time (i really don't have a clue if this is correct or not, as i have never done it myself) which seems to be drowning the real, non-synthetic content for which people took also effort to create.

I think that we should keep in mind that for the community and it's members it is important that everyone's content is brought under attention and not burried under blasts of quite generic synthetic stuff. No offense to the synthetic creators or enthusiasts. Just saying everyone deserves the stage on UMD and i think it would be sad and a loss if members would stop uploading their real content because they think it isn't noticed or viewed.

Blessing for sure! While you're developing your expertise in AI, you should have it recreate some of the AWESOME scenes you've shot with your wife over the years.

AI is not at all a skill. You accurately describe any scenario you want to see and a picture is created. Beats the stuffins out of staying up till 2 am to maybe see Vicky Victory get pied. For free.

It is not efficient. It is lazy and does not develop any skills or anything. AI will make people mindless drones. Why learn how to spell when I can just have AI write the comment, paper, book etc for me. Why be educated when anything I could have to know, I don't need to because AI can tell you anything. In fact, why even deal with people, cut out the middle man and just go to AI for everything. One person interacted with AI in a relationship manner and then ended up killing themselves over the AI.

I agree with many of the criticisms (of AI) here. Reality still has a desirability and authenticity (it really happened) that AI can't yet match. But, AI is getting better every day (as we've already seen here on the umd). And, I think there will be a turning point (any day now), where a few trad wam producers will decide to (re) use the faces and bodies of real models they've worked with to generate new (AI) wam content. This, of course, crosses an ethical boundary (as with the use of celebrity faces/bodies in AI 'porn') -- unless one has prior consent form the models.

Also: 'revenge wam' using one's ex-girlfriend (or boyfriend) is imminent (I'm guessing some here have already done this, but keep it private, as it should be)...

Gen-AI is changing the game (and will continue to change it) in so many ways...

"Oh, brave new world to have such (ai) in it..."

Agreed. I much prefer real women doing their thing. I hate AI in general when it comes to things like this, because it creates images that real people could've been paid to create. AI WAM (and AI images in general) takes income away from real producers and real models.

I think AI has a place in life, but IMO it should never be welcomed in the WAM community. If AI someday gets to the point you can't tell real from fake, then it'll just make me more selective about which producers I support.

You can create mainstream like pictures daily. Attractive women well dressed, fantasy scenario. Can't do porn.

I have logged into this wonderful website for 27 years. Always went straight to messy forum. I now go to AI forum first.

I think this would violate the T&C of the site. In my mind a producer would need a new release form for something like that. They should also pay the models for use of their likeness etc.


I disagree with your ideas around revenge porn. Doing AI revenge porn is no different than any other revenge porn and should not be done period. No keeping it private etc. When you break up with someone you should both decide what should happen with any videos filmed while you were together that feature one or all of you. Don't do it at the time of break up. Wait for a period of time when you both have cooler heads and then discuss it like rational people. Remember, that just because you format a hard drive does not mean the data is gone. I had a hard drive that I stored some pictures on of an ex. When we broke up, I deleted the partitions and created new ones and did a new OS install etc. About a month later I accidentally deleted a document I needed and ran Test Disk. When searching for all files, it found the pictures and restored them. There were corrupted squares in the pictures do to that part of the drive being overwritten etc. But you could make out what the picture was and who was in it. Other than physically destroying the drives, which even then forensics can recover some parts, formatting the drive and writing 0s to it before using it again is about all you can do to try and really delete the files.

AI Doesn't belong here.
The endless hours of set up for models creating videos is upsetting for them.
It will kill the real thing.

It's a huge turn off, it's not actually happened, there was no anticipation, excitement or fun to be had.

For me the biggest turn on is people who genuinely enjoy WAM.

its a no for me too, yes i have seen some very good renders but its not just about the image / video, as others have said its about knowing what the person/s involved felt or the build up etc, both as a viewer and participant in wam / wetlook thats important too

also AI wam is spoiling the returns for real wetlook and wam searches on internet

I totally agree!

AI can't get even close to the authenticity of real (amateur) performers as YourMessyGirl or Messy Miss Summers to name just a few. Or professional performers.

AI (mostly) generates "more of the same" where "the same" is just plain imagery, without that spark of creativity* and authenticity that makes the real outstanding. It is aiming for quantity over quality, as happens too often nowadays.

*simply creating an image or video is not what i mean with creativity here.