Hey everyone,

I got to thinking about something the other day and perhaps it's been brought up here before,but I wanted to ask you all as I'm sure situations have come up before for at least a few on this thread. Now I want to say up front I am looking for real and civil answers here. NOT looking to start any arguments about morals or anything. We live in a gray area world so that's why I started thinking of this here.

Let's say you are in a situation where you know a co-worker friend, a client, a neighbor, or whatever the relationship may be. Doesn't have to be a great friend but someone just that you at least know a little. Now a situation is bound to come up at some point in life either where you have a chance to make a bet with them, some sort of challenge, or (enter your own way of "creatively" proposing the idea that of course ends in one of the parties getting a pie in the face or potentially pies and slime. Obvious where the question is going, but what is now the opinions of how to handle this sort of thing. I mean have any of you either pied someone or been pies by anyone who had no clue about the fetish aspect of it?
This may be drastic but is it somehow illegal for "duping" someone in to the situation, etc.

Again, I am just curious as I have to assume some people on here have been in a situation like this and also some have strayed away, but I'm sure some stayed in the gray area and went ahead and took advantage of the situation. Of course all situations are different, but I had to ask as the thought crossed my mind the other day.

Thanks all and please be nice to each other

I don't like the idea of essentially tricking someone into participating in my fetish. Just my opinion. I'd rather be with someone who wants to get messy with me.

WAM ethics and morality!!! Here's my notes:

- I will not encourage or setup a real-life WAM event like the messy bet you mentioned. I just don't participate.
- In that same line, I actually go out to avoid real-life WAM events. Honestly, it's because I don't want to be caught with a boner, so it's a selfish reason.
- Now, if I was approached and asked to WAM someone in a non-fetish context (e.g. cute colleague runs up to you, hands you a pie and say PIE ME), it's going to be YMMV. I've not been in this situation before. I suppose it will be how close I am to the scene, if I literally stumbled on a pie throwing charity and a good friend begs me to pie her, I probably will. If it's a discussion for next week, I'll prob make some excuses.
- I have no problem jerking off to candid youtube clips of hot college chicks (that I don' know personally) getting messy in a non-fetish context.

If I do pieing with someone it would be just as a "haha" type of gag or fun that has no essence of the fetish. Now if it's someone who i would truly want to get involved I would try to ease them into it with discussions and whatnot to gauge their comfort levels before taking part in any play.

I was once asked if I'd film and photograph a group of work colleagues, including some very attractive women, taking part in a Tough Mudder race. I explained that as watching fully dressed people get wet and muddy is one of my fetishes, it wasn't something I could do, as even though I can easily set aside the fetish element[1], I wouldn't want to take the risk that someone else in the event might think I was there to perv, for instance if they found out who I was after the event.

I'd be willing to participate in organising splosh type events, but only as long as everyone involved was aware of the fetish element and that if any photos or video was taken that it might well end up being used for erotic purposes. So stuff like the London Splosh Games, fine, but nothing involving un-knowing members of the public.

[1] I do this every time I shoot a scene, when shooting the camera operator should never be "enjoying" the scene, but rather focusing absolutely on the technical business of good videography. The enjoyment can come later, while playing back the footage.

Please move to the WAM/Splosh Legal forum.

Illegal, I have no fucking clue, wrong, yes. If it's your fetish, and you dupe someone unknowingly into it, then you are taking advantage of them. This is generally considered a "bad" thing to do, it's certainly not virtuous at least.

Is it unethical? Yes.

Would I do it if I had the chance? Abso-effin-lutely!