Was getting messy with your models the first time you ever got messy with another female?

Sorry to burst the bubble, but it doesn't happen. When we book the models they are here for the filming rather than as a plaything to get messy with. If Producers started getting messy with the models and the models knew it was "their thing" then I'm sure the producers would get a bad name very quickly. There are a few models who offer sessions but thats a completely different thing than booking a model for a shoot.

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If my wife or girlfriend happened to be a model, sure we get messy just like any other couple. But as part of a professional shoot? NEVER! Shot my first WAM scene with Rob in 1993 and has not happened in all that time... Its just not cool to mess with a model.

Phil

^^ What they said.

The handful of producers who try to "get with" a model, successfully or not, wind up giving themselves a bad rep for all future bookings... AND they invariably "poison the well" for all other WAM-oriented producers.

It sucks, but I've had models turn me down because they had a bad experience with another "pie guy" and just assume that if one messy producer is a pervy creep, then ALL messy producers must be pervy creeps.

Getting messy *with* the models? As in during a shoot? Nope, absolutely not. As the three awesome producers above said, that's a high speed main line to wrecking your reputation. Different if the model is a partner or S/O of course, but never with a hired model - she's there to do the job she's paid for, and do it well. Nothing else.

The first person I ever got messy with was a g/f, more than 20 years ago now, she's never modelled for me and is now happily settled with a partner and family, but we're still good friends. Oddly enough the first messy thing I did to her was a shaving-foam-and-bubble-bath pie, splattered all over the bum of her knee-length uniform skirt, and I can still remember us getting ready, her putting the outfit on, and the way the mess flowed and dripped down the back of her skirt while the front was still clean and dry - needless to say I soon fixed that, after she'd had her first go at me in return.

My experience has been that every woman I ever went out with was happy to indulge at least some wam-play, though I've only ever gone out with one who was actually into it as a fetish herself.

Personally I love mud, and have been shooting lots of mud scenes all this summer - we did what will probably be the last scene of the season here last weekend. Now it's completely impossible to shoot decent mud scenes unless you are willing to go right into the mud with your models - so when I shoot a mud scene, I usually end up mired to the waist at least, sometimes deeper (the only thing that has to stay clean is hands, for cameras). And I'm usually wearing a boilersuit, which if I was there on my own would be my preferred choice of fetishwear. But it's not a pleasure trip, it's a professional photoshoot. So despite getting well covered and soaked, I do not react, at all. Half the time I'm not even aware of how mucky I am, because I'm both running an HD camcorder and shooting stills, and keeping an eye on where the light is coming from, the state of the tide, whether the girls have missed anything that I need to stop them to arrange for, avoiding getting stuck myself while keeping the shots steady, and so on.

My advice to people would be that if someone really wants to get messy together with a member of their preferred gender, becoming a WAM producer is the worst possible way to do it. Don't get me wrong it has it's benefits, getting endless videos and photosets to your exact personal taste is one, and in my case, especially after mud scenes, once we're home and cleaned up I take the models out for a lavish meal as part of their payment, and yeah, it's cool to walk into city centre restaurants or posh country pubs in the company of several beautiful young women and sit down to a nice meal together. But then most of my models are also good friends, so we tend to hang out and socialise with each other a fair bit anyway. But when shooting (and the cleanup afterwards) it's strictly professional all the way down the line.

I have occasionally got messy with a couple of the girls who model for me, but in one case we were actually in a relationship, and in another the model in question is actually into WAM as a fetish and we arranged to met up and mess each other up for our mutual pleasure. In both cases, it was a pre-arranged mutual session, not any kind of shoot.

I think the OP was asking in more of a sexual sense. Maybe we misread the question?

If it's just PG-type stuff on camera, then sure... Heck, that happened on the first shoot when I let Liz pie me at the end! I'd met her BF beforehand and there was never any sexual element to it, just a way of saying, "Nice shoot, you probably want to get some revenge now."

That's still, honestly, the main impetus for coed scenes. If I suggest that maybe at the end of the shoot the model can "get revenge" and her eyes light up, then I'll probably do the bit since it'll be a good one. If she just kinda shrugs, then we won't do it. The ones having fun with it are always best.

I've been "got revenge" on a few times but in a shoot scenario and with a model it's always non sexual, and just about of a laugh. Honestly, when you're thinking about lighting, camera angles, did you press record, which bit are you coming next... the "behind the camera" stuff isn't all OP probably fantasizes it must be

Wait, are you saying that being a pervy creep disqualifies one from being a producer?!

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