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"Pet peeves"
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Aside from poorly lit or blurry photos, what other pet peeves do you have? For some, it's seeing a model get totally trashed - except for the face. For others, it's seeing the scene cut off so that we only see the face, and although a ton of mess is dumped over her head, we never see it all over her body.
But there are other issues I've seen with amateur clips and professional videos as well. One is having other people appear in the background. Because the video is shot at home, it is often family members, such as parents, or kids. Somewhere on my computer is a series by a young lady who sits on a kitchen table and pours pudding or custard over herself. To the right, you see the sofa in the living room and an older woman watching TV who is probably the young lady's mother. The young woman is not wearing much clothing and obviously, someone is operating a video camera, yet there sits mom ignoring it all. Who the hell shoots a wam video in front of their mother? LOL
But the peeve I want to address here is the use of thin plastic painter's tarps. These have a way of sticking to messy surfaces and getting pulled away from whatever surface they are taped to. A wall behind the shoot may be protected with this plastic, but then the model leans on the wall, and pulls it all down on top of herself. Another common use of this is to cover a bed, or even cover the inside of a plastic wading pool. Usually in the scenes where the plastic is pulled away, there seems to be four mini strips of tape holding the entire sheet of plastic in place, so it easily comes away from where it was supposed to be and in my opinion, ruins the scene. Tip: If you must use plastic, use the thick vapour barrier for construction and LOTS of tape!
So what are some of your peeves when it comes to things in clips or images that ruin them for you?
But there are other issues I've seen with amateur clips and professional videos as well. One is having other people appear in the background. Because the video is shot at home, it is often family members, such as parents, or kids. Somewhere on my computer is a series by a young lady who sits on a kitchen table and pours pudding or custard over herself. To the right, you see the sofa in the living room and an older woman watching TV who is probably the young lady's mother. The young woman is not wearing much clothing and obviously, someone is operating a video camera, yet there sits mom ignoring it all. Who the hell shoots a wam video in front of their mother? LOL
But the peeve I want to address here is the use of thin plastic painter's tarps. These have a way of sticking to messy surfaces and getting pulled away from whatever surface they are taped to. A wall behind the shoot may be protected with this plastic, but then the model leans on the wall, and pulls it all down on top of herself. Another common use of this is to cover a bed, or even cover the inside of a plastic wading pool. Usually in the scenes where the plastic is pulled away, there seems to be four mini strips of tape holding the entire sheet of plastic in place, so it easily comes away from where it was supposed to be and in my opinion, ruins the scene. Tip: If you must use plastic, use the thick vapour barrier for construction and LOTS of tape!
So what are some of your peeves when it comes to things in clips or images that ruin them for you?
Mine are entirely trivial, but:
I don't know if there's like a "pay per photo" system, but in my experience in buying scenes there will be like 100 photos just before even getting messy with 5 of them being them walking where it's just their hand at different positions.
Also, and this is purely because of my outfit preferences, but if a dress is described in the comments as long or maxi-length, then it should be no shorter than ankle length. One time I bought a scene of someone swimming in the ocean in what was described as a striped maxi dress and it hit at the top of their calves. I take partial blame for this because it didn't look long at all in the previews to begin with, but still.
Some scenarios are a little unrealistic (e.g. my introduction to WAM that was a girl getting into a limousine to go to "prom" and she instead gets like 5 buckets of slime poured on her), but if someone needs to get a chocolate fountain tipped over her to ruin her sundress at "Easter brunch" then by all means, be my guest.
I don't know if there's like a "pay per photo" system, but in my experience in buying scenes there will be like 100 photos just before even getting messy with 5 of them being them walking where it's just their hand at different positions.
Also, and this is purely because of my outfit preferences, but if a dress is described in the comments as long or maxi-length, then it should be no shorter than ankle length. One time I bought a scene of someone swimming in the ocean in what was described as a striped maxi dress and it hit at the top of their calves. I take partial blame for this because it didn't look long at all in the previews to begin with, but still.
Some scenarios are a little unrealistic (e.g. my introduction to WAM that was a girl getting into a limousine to go to "prom" and she instead gets like 5 buckets of slime poured on her), but if someone needs to get a chocolate fountain tipped over her to ruin her sundress at "Easter brunch" then by all means, be my guest.
Saturation Hall, Langstonedale
Lord of the Pies
Leaving aside my usual rants about bad camera angles:
One I was reminded of recently, going through purchases from a while back:
A model in jeans gets into some mud, and starts to sit down. I think she was supposed to first just dip her bottom in, before sitting completely, but instead she just stretches her legs out in front of her and sits right down into the mud. That is perfectly forgivable, models make mistakes or forget instructions, and the camera angle is good for just watching her legs and trunk slide into the mud. But what happens next is not - the male producer starts lecturing her about how she should have done it. He doesn't appear but his voice is all over the soundtrack effectively telling her off. So of course she looks straight at the camera, whereas she had been looking at her clothes sinking into the mud, so even with the sound off the scene is spoiled because you can still tell that she's gone from "ohh, this feels gooey" to "oh shit I've fucked up". Which is a pity because it turns what could have been a great scene into something unwatchable, unless seeing girls told-off on camera is your thing.
And because this happens as she sits into the mud, loading it into an editor and just hacking out that section doesn't work as you then lose one of the money shots.
Now I used to be an awful micro-manager, but once it's obvious someone has committed to doing something and reached the point where it's too late to back up and change it, you just roll with it and get the best footage you can of the event as it's actually happening, even if it's slightly different to what you originally planned. And absolutely do not ever tell someone off while the camera is rolling, because that will kill any scene stone dead.
I'd also say in general, male producer giving directions to female models while the camera is rolling is at best hellishly distracting and at worst ruins a scene. Different if it's a game-show scenario where the camera operator is actually asking the questions, like the awesome MostWAM JustSlimed scene of Rachel in jeans where Leon is asking the questions, or Bosun Bob's comedy quiz show gunge tank scenes - in those the male "host" voice is an expected part of the scene. But giving orders (and especially barking at someone that they're doing it wrong) on camera should be an absolute no-no.
One I was reminded of recently, going through purchases from a while back:
A model in jeans gets into some mud, and starts to sit down. I think she was supposed to first just dip her bottom in, before sitting completely, but instead she just stretches her legs out in front of her and sits right down into the mud. That is perfectly forgivable, models make mistakes or forget instructions, and the camera angle is good for just watching her legs and trunk slide into the mud. But what happens next is not - the male producer starts lecturing her about how she should have done it. He doesn't appear but his voice is all over the soundtrack effectively telling her off. So of course she looks straight at the camera, whereas she had been looking at her clothes sinking into the mud, so even with the sound off the scene is spoiled because you can still tell that she's gone from "ohh, this feels gooey" to "oh shit I've fucked up". Which is a pity because it turns what could have been a great scene into something unwatchable, unless seeing girls told-off on camera is your thing.
And because this happens as she sits into the mud, loading it into an editor and just hacking out that section doesn't work as you then lose one of the money shots.
Now I used to be an awful micro-manager, but once it's obvious someone has committed to doing something and reached the point where it's too late to back up and change it, you just roll with it and get the best footage you can of the event as it's actually happening, even if it's slightly different to what you originally planned. And absolutely do not ever tell someone off while the camera is rolling, because that will kill any scene stone dead.
I'd also say in general, male producer giving directions to female models while the camera is rolling is at best hellishly distracting and at worst ruins a scene. Different if it's a game-show scenario where the camera operator is actually asking the questions, like the awesome MostWAM JustSlimed scene of Rachel in jeans where Leon is asking the questions, or Bosun Bob's comedy quiz show gunge tank scenes - in those the male "host" voice is an expected part of the scene. But giving orders (and especially barking at someone that they're doing it wrong) on camera should be an absolute no-no.
Saturation Hall - Forth! The Gungemaidens!
Bobographer2 said: Aside from poorly lit or blurry photos, what other pet peeves do you have? For some, it's seeing a model get totally trashed - except for the face. For others, it's seeing the scene cut off so that we only see the face, and although a ton of mess is dumped over her head, we never see it all over her body.
But there are other issues I've seen with amateur clips and professional videos as well. One is having other people appear in the background. Because the video is shot at home, it is often family members, such as parents, or kids. Somewhere on my computer is a series by a young lady who sits on a kitchen table and pours pudding or custard over herself. To the right, you see the sofa in the living room and an older woman watching TV who is probably the young lady's mother. The young woman is not wearing much clothing and obviously, someone is operating a video camera, yet there sits mom ignoring it all. Who the hell shoots a wam video in front of their mother? LOL
But the peeve I want to address here is the use of thin plastic painter's tarps. These have a way of sticking to messy surfaces and getting pulled away from whatever surface they are taped to. A wall behind the shoot may be protected with this plastic, but then the model leans on the wall, and pulls it all down on top of herself. Another common use of this is to cover a bed, or even cover the inside of a plastic wading pool. Usually in the scenes where the plastic is pulled away, there seems to be four mini strips of tape holding the entire sheet of plastic in place, so it easily comes away from where it was supposed to be and in my opinion, ruins the scene. Tip: If you must use plastic, use the thick vapour barrier for construction and LOTS of tape!
So what are some of your peeves when it comes to things in clips or images that ruin them for you?
But there are other issues I've seen with amateur clips and professional videos as well. One is having other people appear in the background. Because the video is shot at home, it is often family members, such as parents, or kids. Somewhere on my computer is a series by a young lady who sits on a kitchen table and pours pudding or custard over herself. To the right, you see the sofa in the living room and an older woman watching TV who is probably the young lady's mother. The young woman is not wearing much clothing and obviously, someone is operating a video camera, yet there sits mom ignoring it all. Who the hell shoots a wam video in front of their mother? LOL
But the peeve I want to address here is the use of thin plastic painter's tarps. These have a way of sticking to messy surfaces and getting pulled away from whatever surface they are taped to. A wall behind the shoot may be protected with this plastic, but then the model leans on the wall, and pulls it all down on top of herself. Another common use of this is to cover a bed, or even cover the inside of a plastic wading pool. Usually in the scenes where the plastic is pulled away, there seems to be four mini strips of tape holding the entire sheet of plastic in place, so it easily comes away from where it was supposed to be and in my opinion, ruins the scene. Tip: If you must use plastic, use the thick vapour barrier for construction and LOTS of tape!
So what are some of your peeves when it comes to things in clips or images that ruin them for you?
I'd imagine you'd hate my stuff, it is admittedly totally amateur but it ticks a number of your pet peeve boxes.
DungeonMasterOne said: I'd also say in general, male producer giving directions to female models while the camera is rolling is at best hellishly distracting and at worst ruins a scene.
An absolute deal-breaker (which I haven't seen recently) is when the producer is reading out lines for the model to repeat, i.e. we hear each line twice.
A few for me
-This is half pet-peeve half funny. When directors coach a model through a scene. Kinda ruins the sexiness hearing a half shushed voice tell someone their lines. However, it is funny seeing someone have chocolate dripping off them, a pie slightly wiped away and hair drenched in slime looking beyond the camera for their next que.
-Excessive wiping is kinda lame for I love seeing how mess piles up and up. When someone is hit with 10+ pies and the 11th causes as much mess as the first. bleh
-This is half pet-peeve half funny. When directors coach a model through a scene. Kinda ruins the sexiness hearing a half shushed voice tell someone their lines. However, it is funny seeing someone have chocolate dripping off them, a pie slightly wiped away and hair drenched in slime looking beyond the camera for their next que.
-Excessive wiping is kinda lame for I love seeing how mess piles up and up. When someone is hit with 10+ pies and the 11th causes as much mess as the first. bleh
Yeah a lot of my pet peeves come from re watching and editing my own videos.
For example, a lot of the lighting in my video changes from someone walking past the light source. The camera adjusts and then the video seems to get darker or brighter.
Another one would be out of frame shots. A lot times I won't release that we moved out of the frame and we will miss a really good pie to the face or something.
I want to improve the quality of my videos by getting better lighting, and a better tripod or camera mount. We're thinking about getting one to strap to the chest for POVs
For example, a lot of the lighting in my video changes from someone walking past the light source. The camera adjusts and then the video seems to get darker or brighter.
Another one would be out of frame shots. A lot times I won't release that we moved out of the frame and we will miss a really good pie to the face or something.
I want to improve the quality of my videos by getting better lighting, and a better tripod or camera mount. We're thinking about getting one to strap to the chest for POVs
Beantwn said:
I'd imagine you'd hate my stuff, it is admittedly totally amateur but it ticks a number of your pet peeve boxes.
I'd imagine you'd hate my stuff, it is admittedly totally amateur but it ticks a number of your pet peeve boxes.
Nothing wrong with amateur. Just block rear light sources and throw a couple floor lamps in front on either side. Make sure your in focus and you should be good to go. If you use that thin plastic, just tape it a LOT so it stays where you want it to.
I've also seen some out-of-frame videos where suddenly the subjects realize they've moved and move back to where the camera is aiming. Also, those directors either yelling at models, or otherwise giving instructions or lines on-camera. They need to stop thinking they know everything, and just let things play out, which usually results in a better video anyways. Another one is people actually walking by while the scene is being shot. Sometimes they are behind the action, other times right in the way, in front of the camera. All of this is preventable with good planning. And in the older videos, the constant flashing and camera noise was annoying, with the model regularly freezing and smiling at the photographer while the video is being shot.
9/20/22, 2:27pm: [Admin] removed extra [quote] near start of quote, which is why response looked like part of the quote.
DungeonMasterOne said: Leaving aside my usual rants about bad camera angles:
One I was reminded of recently, going through purchases from a while back:
A model in jeans gets some mud, and starts to sit down. I think she was supposed to first just dip her bottom in, before sitting completely, but instead she just stretches her legs out in front of her and sits right down into the mud. That is perfectly forgivable, models make mistakes or forget instructions, and the camera angle is good for just watching her legs and trunk slide into the mud. But what happens next is not - the male producer starts lecturing her about how she should have done it. He doesn't appear but his voice is all over the soundtrack effectively telling her off. So of course she looks straight at the camera, whereas she had been looking at her clothes sinking into the mud, so even with the sound off the scene is spoiled because you can still tell that she's gone from "ohh, this feels gooey" to "oh shit I've fucked up". Which is a pity because it turns what could have been a great scene into something unwatchable, unless seeing girls told-off on camera is your thing.
And because this happens as she sits into the mud, loading it into an editor and just hacking out that section doesn't work as you then lose one of the money shots.
Now I used to be an awful micro-manager, but once it's obvious someone has committed to doing something and reached the point where it's too late to back up and change it, you just roll with it and get the best footage you can of the event as it's actually happening, even if it's slightly different to what you originally planned. And absolutely do not ever tell someone off while the camera is rolling, because that will kill any scene stone dead.
I'd also say in general, male producer giving directions to female models while the camera is rolling is at best hellishly distracting and at worst ruins a scene. Different if it's a game-show scenario where the camera operator is actually asking the questions, like the awesome MostWAM JustSlimed scene of Rachel in jeans where Leon is asking the questions, or Bosun Bob's comedy quiz show gunge tank scenes - in those the male "host" voice is an expected part of the scene. But giving orders (and especially barking at someone that they're doing it wrong) on camera should be an absolute no-no.
One I was reminded of recently, going through purchases from a while back:
A model in jeans gets some mud, and starts to sit down. I think she was supposed to first just dip her bottom in, before sitting completely, but instead she just stretches her legs out in front of her and sits right down into the mud. That is perfectly forgivable, models make mistakes or forget instructions, and the camera angle is good for just watching her legs and trunk slide into the mud. But what happens next is not - the male producer starts lecturing her about how she should have done it. He doesn't appear but his voice is all over the soundtrack effectively telling her off. So of course she looks straight at the camera, whereas she had been looking at her clothes sinking into the mud, so even with the sound off the scene is spoiled because you can still tell that she's gone from "ohh, this feels gooey" to "oh shit I've fucked up". Which is a pity because it turns what could have been a great scene into something unwatchable, unless seeing girls told-off on camera is your thing.
And because this happens as she sits into the mud, loading it into an editor and just hacking out that section doesn't work as you then lose one of the money shots.
Now I used to be an awful micro-manager, but once it's obvious someone has committed to doing something and reached the point where it's too late to back up and change it, you just roll with it and get the best footage you can of the event as it's actually happening, even if it's slightly different to what you originally planned. And absolutely do not ever tell someone off while the camera is rolling, because that will kill any scene stone dead.
I'd also say in general, male producer giving directions to female models while the camera is rolling is at best hellishly distracting and at worst ruins a scene. Different if it's a game-show scenario where the camera operator is actually asking the questions, like the awesome MostWAM JustSlimed scene of Rachel in jeans where Leon is asking the questions, or Bosun Bob's comedy quiz show gunge tank scenes - in those the male "host" voice is an expected part of the scene. But giving orders (and especially barking at someone that they're doing it wrong) on camera should be an absolute no-no.
But yeah I totally agree with this, once you get to a point where there's no backing out you gotta just roll with it.
I usually coach my partner a little bit on I want the scene to play out. Some of the time it is on camera, but most of the time I try to cut out the part and have a little pause. Then I can crop out 30 seconds and try to make the transition as fluent as possible.
Some times when a pie hits your face. All logical thinking leaves, and you forget what you're supposed to do
Firstly I have to say we are very lucky to have the variety of material available to us now, with many producers doing it mainly for the experience & not the profit (if any).
I grew up with Splosh magazines through the post & dial up Internet!
Having said that it makes me laugh when I see models with wet underwear (or hair) visible, clearly showing they're doing several scenes during the day.
I'm reluctant to criticise this as I know profit from scenes is minimal so models often need to shoot multiple scenes one after the other.
I grew up with Splosh magazines through the post & dial up Internet!
Having said that it makes me laugh when I see models with wet underwear (or hair) visible, clearly showing they're doing several scenes during the day.
I'm reluctant to criticise this as I know profit from scenes is minimal so models often need to shoot multiple scenes one after the other.
Messy MM said:
But yeah I totally agree with this, once you get to a point where there's no backing out you gotta just roll with it.
I usually coach my partner a little bit on I want the scene to play out. Some of the time it is on camera, but most of the time I try to cut out the part and have a little pause. Then I can crop out 30 seconds and try to make the transition as fluent as possible.
Some times when a pie hits your face. All logical thinking leaves, and you forget what you're supposed to do
DungeonMasterOne said: Leaving aside my usual rants about bad camera angles:
One I was reminded of recently, going through purchases from a while back:
A model in jeans gets some mud, and starts to sit down. I think she was supposed to first just dip her bottom in, before sitting completely, but instead she just stretches her legs out in front of her and sits right down into the mud. That is perfectly forgivable, models make mistakes or forget instructions, and the camera angle is good for just watching her legs and trunk slide into the mud. But what happens next is not - the male producer starts lecturing her about how she should have done it. He doesn't appear but his voice is all over the soundtrack effectively telling her off. So of course she looks straight at the camera, whereas she had been looking at her clothes sinking into the mud, so even with the sound off the scene is spoiled because you can still tell that she's gone from "ohh, this feels gooey" to "oh shit I've fucked up". Which is a pity because it turns what could have been a great scene into something unwatchable, unless seeing girls told-off on camera is your thing.
And because this happens as she sits into the mud, loading it into an editor and just hacking out that section doesn't work as you then lose one of the money shots.
Now I used to be an awful micro-manager, but once it's obvious someone has committed to doing something and reached the point where it's too late to back up and change it, you just roll with it and get the best footage you can of the event as it's actually happening, even if it's slightly different to what you originally planned. And absolutely do not ever tell someone off while the camera is rolling, because that will kill any scene stone dead.
I'd also say in general, male producer giving directions to female models while the camera is rolling is at best hellishly distracting and at worst ruins a scene. Different if it's a game-show scenario where the camera operator is actually asking the questions, like the awesome MostWAM JustSlimed scene of Rachel in jeans where Leon is asking the questions, or Bosun Bob's comedy quiz show gunge tank scenes - in those the male "host" voice is an expected part of the scene. But giving orders (and especially barking at someone that they're doing it wrong) on camera should be an absolute no-no.
One I was reminded of recently, going through purchases from a while back:
A model in jeans gets some mud, and starts to sit down. I think she was supposed to first just dip her bottom in, before sitting completely, but instead she just stretches her legs out in front of her and sits right down into the mud. That is perfectly forgivable, models make mistakes or forget instructions, and the camera angle is good for just watching her legs and trunk slide into the mud. But what happens next is not - the male producer starts lecturing her about how she should have done it. He doesn't appear but his voice is all over the soundtrack effectively telling her off. So of course she looks straight at the camera, whereas she had been looking at her clothes sinking into the mud, so even with the sound off the scene is spoiled because you can still tell that she's gone from "ohh, this feels gooey" to "oh shit I've fucked up". Which is a pity because it turns what could have been a great scene into something unwatchable, unless seeing girls told-off on camera is your thing.
And because this happens as she sits into the mud, loading it into an editor and just hacking out that section doesn't work as you then lose one of the money shots.
Now I used to be an awful micro-manager, but once it's obvious someone has committed to doing something and reached the point where it's too late to back up and change it, you just roll with it and get the best footage you can of the event as it's actually happening, even if it's slightly different to what you originally planned. And absolutely do not ever tell someone off while the camera is rolling, because that will kill any scene stone dead.
I'd also say in general, male producer giving directions to female models while the camera is rolling is at best hellishly distracting and at worst ruins a scene. Different if it's a game-show scenario where the camera operator is actually asking the questions, like the awesome MostWAM JustSlimed scene of Rachel in jeans where Leon is asking the questions, or Bosun Bob's comedy quiz show gunge tank scenes - in those the male "host" voice is an expected part of the scene. But giving orders (and especially barking at someone that they're doing it wrong) on camera should be an absolute no-no.
But yeah I totally agree with this, once you get to a point where there's no backing out you gotta just roll with it.
I usually coach my partner a little bit on I want the scene to play out. Some of the time it is on camera, but most of the time I try to cut out the part and have a little pause. Then I can crop out 30 seconds and try to make the transition as fluent as possible.
Some times when a pie hits your face. All logical thinking leaves, and you forget what you're supposed to do
I feel like when things come towards your face at a high rate of speed in general you lose all logical thought.
I'm on an adult kickball team as our main pitcher, and when someone hits the ball towards me I'm 100% more likely to put my hands up in front of my face than I am to actually catch the ball lol.
I think the best "wam" video I've ever seen was when a female reporter was covering some sort of charity event and got multiple buckets of slime dumped on her and then a pie tin full of whipped cream just plopped on her head. Dress : covered. Face : covered. Yee: haw.
Bobographer2 said: Aside from poorly lit or blurry photos, what other pet peeves do you have?
Those are my biggest PPs, too, but here are a few others:
Wetlook: Lose the jackets/hoodies. They cover up the girl's shape which, after all, is a big thrill of wetlook. I want to see her breasts, either clearly outlined by the sticking fabric or see the cleavage if its a lowcut dress.
Wetlook and Mess: I don't care for tattoos but I get particularly peeved by ones between the breasts. I'll also skip a purchase if the tattoos are excessive.
Wetlook and Mess: Piercings and nose rings. Complete turnoff. "Move on, there's nothing to see here" for me.
Minor peeve: The model takes off the long gloves (opera gloves, evening gloves) she is wearing before the action starts, wet or messy. The gloves and promise they'd be worn were probably why I bought the photos or video.
Sleazoid44 said:
Those are my biggest PPs, too, but here are a few others:
Wetlook: Lose the jackets/hoodies. They cover up the girl's shape which, after all, is a big thrill of wetlook. I want to see her breasts, either clearly outlined by the sticking fabric or see the cleavage if its a lowcut dress.
Wetlook and Mess: I don't care for tattoos but I get particularly peeved by ones between the breasts. I'll also skip a purchase if the tattoos are excessive.
Wetlook and Mess: Piercings and nose rings. Complete turnoff. "Move on, there's nothing to see here" for me.
Minor peeve: The model takes off the long gloves (opera gloves, evening gloves) she is wearing before the action starts, wet or messy. The gloves and promise they'd be worn were probably why I bought the photos or video.
Bobographer2 said: Aside from poorly lit or blurry photos, what other pet peeves do you have?
Those are my biggest PPs, too, but here are a few others:
Wetlook: Lose the jackets/hoodies. They cover up the girl's shape which, after all, is a big thrill of wetlook. I want to see her breasts, either clearly outlined by the sticking fabric or see the cleavage if its a lowcut dress.
Wetlook and Mess: I don't care for tattoos but I get particularly peeved by ones between the breasts. I'll also skip a purchase if the tattoos are excessive.
Wetlook and Mess: Piercings and nose rings. Complete turnoff. "Move on, there's nothing to see here" for me.
Minor peeve: The model takes off the long gloves (opera gloves, evening gloves) she is wearing before the action starts, wet or messy. The gloves and promise they'd be worn were probably why I bought the photos or video.
This is my personal opinion and there are definitely people that feel differently but I feel like winter clothing as a whole doesn't really work unless it's someone who's not going into it with the intention of getting messy (e.g. audience member at a game show gets randomly selected). The one video I watched of someone getting wet in a coat it just looked like they had played in the snow for several hours. On the other hand, I did watch a video one time of someone on a game show getting soaked in a dress and a jean jacket and that was nice to watch.
As for the cleavage thing, I post about them a lot, but I think one of the things I really like about maxi dresses being worn for WAM stuff is that when they get wet, the neckline goes down and you see more.
Sleazoid44 said:
Those are my biggest PPs, too, but here are a few others:
Wetlook: Lose the jackets/hoodies. They cover up the girl's shape which, after all, is a big thrill of wetlook. I want to see her breasts, either clearly outlined by the sticking fabric or see the cleavage if its a lowcut dress.
Wetlook and Mess: I don't care for tattoos but I get particularly peeved by ones between the breasts. I'll also skip a purchase if the tattoos are excessive.
Wetlook and Mess: Piercings and nose rings. Complete turnoff. "Move on, there's nothing to see here" for me.
Minor peeve: The model takes off the long gloves (opera gloves, evening gloves) she is wearing before the action starts, wet or messy. The gloves and promise they'd be worn were probably why I bought the photos or video.
Bobographer2 said: Aside from poorly lit or blurry photos, what other pet peeves do you have?
Those are my biggest PPs, too, but here are a few others:
Wetlook: Lose the jackets/hoodies. They cover up the girl's shape which, after all, is a big thrill of wetlook. I want to see her breasts, either clearly outlined by the sticking fabric or see the cleavage if its a lowcut dress.
Wetlook and Mess: I don't care for tattoos but I get particularly peeved by ones between the breasts. I'll also skip a purchase if the tattoos are excessive.
Wetlook and Mess: Piercings and nose rings. Complete turnoff. "Move on, there's nothing to see here" for me.
Minor peeve: The model takes off the long gloves (opera gloves, evening gloves) she is wearing before the action starts, wet or messy. The gloves and promise they'd be worn were probably why I bought the photos or video.
Really you don't like the tattoo in between the breasts?? I only have one tattoo and it's a little heart on my leg, but I was planning I getting a small flower stem in between my breasts
I'll be the first to admit that the stuff we make is really amateur so I shouldn't throw stones, but I get perturbed when a video is shaky. A decent tripod is a great investment!
And not so much a pet peeve as a personal preference, I am into hosiery (tights/stockings/pantyhose/etc.) and feet so I like true full body shots or when leg/feet close ups are included.
-JD
And not so much a pet peeve as a personal preference, I am into hosiery (tights/stockings/pantyhose/etc.) and feet so I like true full body shots or when leg/feet close ups are included.
-JD
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Sleazoid44 said:
Those are my biggest PPs, too, but here are a few others:
Wetlook: Lose the jackets/hoodies. They cover up the girl's shape which, after all, is a big thrill of wetlook.
Bobographer2 said: Aside from poorly lit or blurry photos, what other pet peeves do you have?
Those are my biggest PPs, too, but here are a few others:
Wetlook: Lose the jackets/hoodies. They cover up the girl's shape which, after all, is a big thrill of wetlook.
Absolutely! If a jacket is worn, it should be worn open so we can see the jeans and top underneath go from dry to wet, or even better, take the jacket off at the start of the scene, place it somewhere it'll stay dry, then after the rest of the outfit is soaked, put the dry jacket back on and then soak it too.
A short denim jacket that stops above the waist can be OK, but anything longer, especially if its baggy and shapeless and kept done up, spoils the scene.
Also, tuck your tops in! All too often you see someone in what would be really nice jeans, if only we could actually see them, but the whole crotch / bum / waist area is hidden by some horrible untucked top hanging down.
Sleazoid44 said: Minor peeve: The model takes off the long gloves (opera gloves, evening gloves) she is wearing before the action starts, wet or messy. The gloves and promise they'd be worn were probably why I bought the photos or video.
Agree with this too. If a model is wearing gloves at the start of the scene then she should still be wearing them when her hands get messy. After they've been messed up they can come off, so she can then mess her bare hands up too. But do the gloves first.
Also if something significant like opera gloves or other outfit items are removed before the messing, perhaps because it's a custom scene and that's what the customer requested, then that needs to be made **very clear** in the description and promo shots, so no-one ends up buying it on false pretences. Given a custom should always be priced at cost+profit anyway, all subsequent sales are pure profit so there's no need to mislead people in the hope of extra sales.
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Post-nut clarity... 
He's more potato now than man. Twisted and evil.
Potatoman-J said: Post-nut clarity...
If this were Cards Against Humanity, this would be followed by
The high of finishing to a full-body shot of a maxi dress, either plastered to the model's body or coated in slime (I refuse to use the word "gunge", I hate it, I'm sorry), followed by asking yourself if you really just nutted to that.
While we're still on the subject of post-but clarity, there's a really great muddy maxi shot in one of the scenes on here but I'm slowly enjoying it less and less because the model in the dress looks a bit too much like the wife of one of my cousins.
Same vein, there's a series on here where they have some sort of portable jacuzzi that they go around asking random strangers if they'll accept money to go sit in the jacuzzi fully clothed. I really wanted the "recruiter" herself to get in because she was wearing a black maxi, but she also looks like the wife of one of my cousins so I'm glad she didn't. Would have been a little awkward after.
Scenes that end abruptly tick me off. I'm just starting to really enjoy the mess or the wetlook and then it's not even a "wave to camera, fade to black" it just ends. I also agree that the coaching is awful. Unless it's a scripted custom (rehearse the lines first, easy fix), just let the model have fun. They might just surprise you.
Pet peeves? Well I'm that guy who hates it when the face gets totally messy...
So my hugest pet peeve? When a model takes a pie first, or immediately looks up as mess is being poured.
I'm in the minority with this, I know, but it just kind of ruins things for me. At least some producers allow their models to wipe off their faces...I don't mind some face mess, but when they're completely covering their faces you can't see their eyes and reactions aren't as good to me.
Obviously, another pet peeve would be hair not getting messy.
A little nit picky here, but I do like the mess to be piled on the hair, so a model constantly slicking her hair back is a bit of a pet peeve, I don't mind it, but if they're doing it nonstop from the get go, I'm a little peeved.
Another pet peeve is cameras going all over the place, I just want a shot of the model's face and hair, seeing their feet or a close up of clothes being filled just does nothing for me.
Braids are another pet peeve, might as well be wearing a shower cap haha.
I think that's it for me...I'm too picky.
So my hugest pet peeve? When a model takes a pie first, or immediately looks up as mess is being poured.
I'm in the minority with this, I know, but it just kind of ruins things for me. At least some producers allow their models to wipe off their faces...I don't mind some face mess, but when they're completely covering their faces you can't see their eyes and reactions aren't as good to me.
Obviously, another pet peeve would be hair not getting messy.
A little nit picky here, but I do like the mess to be piled on the hair, so a model constantly slicking her hair back is a bit of a pet peeve, I don't mind it, but if they're doing it nonstop from the get go, I'm a little peeved.
Another pet peeve is cameras going all over the place, I just want a shot of the model's face and hair, seeing their feet or a close up of clothes being filled just does nothing for me.
Braids are another pet peeve, might as well be wearing a shower cap haha.
I think that's it for me...I'm too picky.
#DontLookUp
This is such a minor thing that I've only experienced once or twice before but fully clothed swimming wetlook scenes that don't include full body shots after they get out. There's one where the model goes swimming but takes the dress off in the pool.
Also saw one where they just rode a water ride at a theme park. If you're gonna go about it like that, at last go on the rapids/white water canyon ride where you're guaranteed to get soaked. Sure, you might get strange looks when you get on the raft/boat thing in a dress, but you're bound to get strange looks wearing a dress to a theme park regardless unless it's Disney World or something.
Also saw one where they just rode a water ride at a theme park. If you're gonna go about it like that, at last go on the rapids/white water canyon ride where you're guaranteed to get soaked. Sure, you might get strange looks when you get on the raft/boat thing in a dress, but you're bound to get strange looks wearing a dress to a theme park regardless unless it's Disney World or something.
Most of mine have been covered in other threads (e.g., a model holding a pie tin by the side and lightly slapping it on the victim).
Here is a minor one-- a true "peeve" as opposed to "won't buy".
If you or your model is using whipped cream in a CO2 cannister (you know, the spray cream), then have them hold it the correct way. First, you need to shake it up well. Then hold it as vertical as possible for the scene's purposes with nozzle pointing down. If you try to spray it horizontally or, Godforbid, with the nozzle pointing slightly up it won't work properly and you will get a weak result. You are essentially spraying the girl or making a pie with a mix of dairy and CO2.
Here is a minor one-- a true "peeve" as opposed to "won't buy".
If you or your model is using whipped cream in a CO2 cannister (you know, the spray cream), then have them hold it the correct way. First, you need to shake it up well. Then hold it as vertical as possible for the scene's purposes with nozzle pointing down. If you try to spray it horizontally or, Godforbid, with the nozzle pointing slightly up it won't work properly and you will get a weak result. You are essentially spraying the girl or making a pie with a mix of dairy and CO2.
I don't have many because I accept that not every scene has to be for me. What doesn't float my boat might float someone else's. However, someone earlier mentioned aggressive coaching, and that has to be my main one. Not coaching in general, but anytime the (usually unseen male) is doing too much talking/ordering around, it takes me right out of a scene. There are examples of producers who do it well enough though to where it isn't always a problem.
Another one, I can't stand when toilets/toiletries are constantly in the frame, especially when they play no part in the scene otherwise.
Another one, I can't stand when toilets/toiletries are constantly in the frame, especially when they play no part in the scene otherwise.
BerryMcCockiner said: This is such a minor thing that I've only experienced once or twice before but fully clothed swimming wetlook scenes that don't include full body shots after they get out. There's one where the model goes swimming but takes the dress off in the pool.
Also saw one where they just rode a water ride at a theme park. If you're gonna go about it like that, at last go on the rapids/white water canyon ride where you're guaranteed to get soaked. Sure, you might get strange looks when you get on the raft/boat thing in a dress, but you're bound to get strange looks wearing a dress to a theme park regardless unless it's Disney World or something.
Also saw one where they just rode a water ride at a theme park. If you're gonna go about it like that, at last go on the rapids/white water canyon ride where you're guaranteed to get soaked. Sure, you might get strange looks when you get on the raft/boat thing in a dress, but you're bound to get strange looks wearing a dress to a theme park regardless unless it's Disney World or something.
One of my friends recently did this. Wore a Belle style dress (Disney doesn't allow the entire costume except for during the "Oogie Boogie Bash") and got on Grizzly River Run. She was absolutely drenched by the end. Of course, to protect her privacy, no photos will ever be shown.
I know this is in the messy forum, but I just thought of a couple more that are kind of peevy to me. One has to be scenes of girls in swimwear taking a shower or playing in water at all and calling it "wetlook". That is not wetlook, it's using the swimwear for its exact intended purpose. The other is scenes that start with the model fully nude or get to nude too quickly. I like to see the clothes completely messed up first.
SnakeEyes said: I know this is in the messy forum, but I just thought of a couple more that are kind of peevy to me. One has to be scenes of girls in swimwear taking a shower or playing in water at all and calling it "wetlook". That is not wetlook, it's using the swimwear for its exact intended purpose. The other is scenes that start with the model fully nude or get to nude too quickly. I like to see the clothes completely messed up first.
I saw a post fairly recently of someone getting slimed in a tech suit (like what they wear for the Olympics). I think it got taken down, but unless that suit is dead(which tbh it probably is, it looked old), the slime is just gonna slide right off.
For the second thing, there's a post of a model going for a swim in a pink maxi dress, and she takes the dress off in the pool. I might be mistaken because I didn't actually purchase the scene, and if I am feel free to correct me, but I don't think the dress comes back on. I feel like 99% of the appeal of wetlook swimming is them getting back out and seeing the clothes plastered to them.
Three more peeves of mine, thanks for the reminders by commenting. 
1. Producers who get right into the scene, oh forget that one, this is Blake Edwards with Ann Margret in a semi-rare photo from the set of the movie, Tommy. I guess he wanted more beans on her head!
2. Dirty dishes in the background, or other indicators that the area was not set up for a photo shoot.
3. There was a time when sample photos were provided with HUGE notices that they were just samples. It would make more sense to put the website name in the corner, 'cause nobody knows who 'SAMPLE' is should they want to make a purchase.
1. Producers who get right into the scene, oh forget that one, this is Blake Edwards with Ann Margret in a semi-rare photo from the set of the movie, Tommy. I guess he wanted more beans on her head!
2. Dirty dishes in the background, or other indicators that the area was not set up for a photo shoot.
3. There was a time when sample photos were provided with HUGE notices that they were just samples. It would make more sense to put the website name in the corner, 'cause nobody knows who 'SAMPLE' is should they want to make a purchase.
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Lord of the Pies
Clinton77 said: I've got a minor one. Models or 'Instruction Givers' calling a cake a pie or vice versa.
Agreed, and accuracy in general, in the scene or in the description. Calling fake leather leather is a biggie, but also misdescribing an outfit, calling a jumpsuit a playsuit of vice versa, calling things jeans which aren't, claiming a model's in latex when they're reall in that "wetlook fabric", and so on.
In fact that reminds me of another peeve of mine - producers referring to skimpy bikinis as "swimsuits". I know a swimsuit can be a two-piece but if so it's usually non-skimpy.
WAMOptimist93 said: Another one, I can't stand when toilets/toiletries are constantly in the frame, especially when they play no part in the scene otherwise.
Anything at all involving toilets is an absolute hard "no purchase" to me. And yeah, if something isn't going to be used in the scene, tidy it out of shot before starting.
SnakeEyes said:
One of my friends recently did this. Wore a Belle style dress (Disney doesn't allow the entire costume except for during the "Oogie Boogie Bash") and got on Grizzly River Run. She was absolutely drenched by the end. Of course, to protect her privacy, no photos will ever be shown.
BerryMcCockiner said: Also saw one where they just rode a water ride at a theme park. If you're gonna go about it like that, at last go on the rapids/white water canyon ride where you're guaranteed to get soaked.
One of my friends recently did this. Wore a Belle style dress (Disney doesn't allow the entire costume except for during the "Oogie Boogie Bash") and got on Grizzly River Run. She was absolutely drenched by the end. Of course, to protect her privacy, no photos will ever be shown.
That sounds like awesome fun!
SnakeEyes said: I know this is in the messy forum, but I just thought of a couple more that are kind of peevy to me. One has to be scenes of girls in swimwear taking a shower or playing in water at all and calling it "wetlook". That is not wetlook, it's using the swimwear for its exact intended purpose. The other is scenes that start with the model fully nude or get to nude too quickly. I like to see the clothes completely messed up first.
UMD's definition of "wetlook" does include nude, but I know most wetlook fans think it's only wetlook if it involves clothes.
Agree with you about swimsuits, and especially bikinis, not really being wetlook, though at the same time if it is shot for erotic enjoyment and involves water the wetlook forum really is the only place for it - but scene titles and descriptions should make clear it's swimwear.
BerryMcCockiner said: I saw a post fairly recently of someone getting slimed in a tech suit (like what they wear for the Olympics). I think it got taken down, but unless that suit is dead(which tbh it probably is, it looked old), the slime is just gonna slide right off.
Doing messy scenes in swimwear has a fair pedigree, seeing someone fill a swimsuit with custard, or go in the mud in a full zip-front long-sleeve, long-leg surfing spandex catsuit, definitely counts as WAM. We recently released a mud scene with Isabeau in a zip front spandex catsuit, which is kind of half way between swimwear and clothes - and not something you'd usually mud-bathe in.
BerryMcCockiner said: For the second thing, there's a post of a model going for a swim in a pink maxi dress, and she takes the dress off in the pool. I might be mistaken because I didn't actually purchase the scene, and if I am feel free to correct me, but I don't think the dress comes back on. I feel like 99% of the appeal of wetlook swimming is them getting back out and seeing the clothes plastered to them.
Different people will like different aspects of wetlook - for me it's more seeing them go in from dry, preferably by walking down steps or a slope, so we can watch the water level rising up their clothes as they wade deeper with each step. But agreed, once someone is wet, then seeing them come back out and show full body shots of them in their soaked clothes is important. We generally don't have people take things off during a scene but if we were going to (other than in a custom where the buyer gets to call the shots), we'd have them walk out first, so we can see the soaked clothes, then go back in to take things off. That way it'd have wider appeal.
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