CalGungeFan said: ONLY FANS CREATED A SAFE SPACE FOR SEX WORKERS AND JUST CHOSE TO PUT THEM ALL IN DANGER AGAIN

This is honestly not surprising to me at all. Is it a dick move? Yes, of course. But it's smart business acumen. Build your business off the backs of group A, abandon them for group B as soon as it's profitable.

This of course translates into most aspects of life too, for instance, politics.

wamtec said: Meanwhile over at Patreon today they just announced a new policy specifically aimed at Content Creators who have criminal records, in their quest to be more "inclusiive" to criminals. I was just sent this email from Patreon today and their new policy towards criminals is this...quote

"We refined our proposed policy around creators with criminal records to be more inclusive of those sharing experiences with addiction, violence, and the criminal justice system.......... a lot of us have criminal pasts." It is important to us that they, like all Patreon creators, feel safe and welcome as part of our creator community."

You cannot make this stuff up.

Sorry....B/S...a lot of us do NOT have criminal pasts. I have never had a criminal past and they do not make me feel welcome at all and are constantly harassing me for my content, and my external websites.

But it is good to know that it you commit crimes, Patreon will welcome you.

And they wonder why their company has no credibility at all with me !!

I know many adult models who's best source of income is their Onlyfans account, so they will lose their main source of income (several I know make 25-40K per month on Onlyfans) so they will be gutted.

Well Neil Orkin must be kicking himself in the head right now, because he created Clips4sale in 2002 and owned the company for 19 years while making himself 100 million dollars, but when Onlyfans was created 4 years ago he saw a massive exodus of sex workers from his platform who left Clips4sale and moved to Onlyfans. His business saw a huge decline mostly because he was gouging his content creators by taking 40% of their store incomes and sex workers discovered that by moving to Onlyfans who only took 10% then they could keep 90% of their incomes. Clips4sale was a rapidly declining business model. A clear example of that being my Clips4sale global store ranking for earnings, where I currently only have sales of less than $300 per month, yet on their Global Ranking system I am ranked for store earnings rank #1352 -- and clips4sale have 45,000 content creators in their system , so my ranking means that there are 43,648 Clips4sale store owners whose earning are even more pathetic than mine are.

Anyway, So Neil's company was in the dumpster so after 19 years he decided to sell his company last month at a fire sale price. So Clips4sale just made an announcement 2 weeks ago that a new company "Centro Ventures" has acquired Clips4sale, but Neil still keeps his seat on the board. Now Neil must be regretting selling Clips4sale in a fire sale, because with this new announcement from Onlyfans all those tens of thousands of sex workers who left clips4sale for a bigger share of their income on Onlyfans, will have to come back to Clips4sale (or Manyvids) again where they lose 30% more of their income. Business will start booming again at Clips4sale and Neil will be kicking himself in the head that he sold his company prematurely at a fire sale price.

But that's life !!

wamtec said: Meanwhile over at Patreon today they just announced a new policy specifically aimed at Content Creators who have criminal records, in their quest to be more "inclusiive" to criminals. I was just sent this email from Patreon today and their new policy towards criminals is this...quote

"We refined our proposed policy around creators with criminal records to be more inclusive of those sharing experiences with addiction, violence, and the criminal justice system.......... a lot of us have criminal pasts." It is important to us that they, like all Patreon creators, feel safe and welcome as part of our creator community."

You cannot make this stuff up.

Sorry....B/S...a lot of us do NOT have criminal pasts. I have never had a criminal past and they do not make me feel welcome at all and are constantly harassing me for my content, and my external websites.

But it is good to know that it you commit crimes, Patreon will welcome you.

And they wonder why their company has no credibility at all with me !!

I know many adult models who's best source of income is their Onlyfans account, so they will lose their main source of income (several I know make 25-40K per month on Onlyfans) so they will be gutted.

Well Neil Orkin must be kicking himself in the head right now, because he created Clips4sale in 2002 and owned the company for 19 years while making himself 100 million dollars, but when Onlyfans was created 4 years ago he saw a massive exodus of sex workers from his platform who left Clips4sale and moved to Onlyfans. His business saw a huge decline mostly because he was gouging his content creators by taking 40% of their store incomes and sex workers discovered that by moving to Onlyfans who only took 10% then they could keep 90% of their incomes. Clips4sale was a rapidly declining business model. A clear example of that being my Clips4sale global store ranking for earnings, where I currently only have sales of less than $300 per month, yet on their Global Ranking system I am ranked for store earnings rank #1352 -- and clips4sale have 45,000 content creators in their system , so my ranking means that there are 43,648 Clips4sale store owners whose earning are even more pathetic than mine are.

Anyway, So Neil's company was in the dumpster so after 19 years he decided to sell his company last month at a fire sale price. So Clips4sale just made an announcement 2 weeks ago that a new company "Centro Ventures" has acquired Clips4sale, but Neil still keeps his seat on the board. Now Neil must be regretting selling Clips4sale in a fire sale, because with this new announcement from Onlyfans all those tens of thousands of sex workers who left clips4sale for a bigger share of their income on Onlyfans, will have to come back to Clips4sale (or Manyvids) again where they lose 30% more of their income. Business will start booming again at Clips4sale and Neil will be kicking himself in the head that he sold his company prematurely at a fire sale price.

But that's life !!

wamtec said: There are many news articles in the last couple of days that describe the Onlyfan decision as turning their backs on the people who were mostly responsible for their success in the first place. One has to remember that the internet existed from the 1970s to the early 90's (well before Al Gore invented it) but it was solely the domain of scientists, educators and other IT boffins who knew how to communicate in geek machine language. It did not explode and become available to lay people until 1995 when Netscape and others invented the first web browser that non technical people could use to navigate, and the primary reason for the invention of the web browser was mankind's desire to see PORN, so people forget how it was man's desire for porn that drove the creation of the media players we have today.

Onlyfans was created in 2016 and exploded because it allowed sex workers to produce content and keep a lot more of their income than other platforms like Clips4sale and Manyvids. One of my former models, Megan Jones, became a millionaire in only 2 years with her Onlyfans channel. Onlyfans are making a huge mistake cowtowing to pressure from the banks and card processors, because porn is at least 75% of their business revenues today. Currently the Onlyfans company are seeking a 1 Billion valuation for investors (as per Forbes Magazine), but now they wish to turn their business model into just another "Vimeo". Look at the data. Last year revenues for Onlyfans were 450 million, whereas last year revenues for Vimeo were only 199 milliion, so they will be cutting their revenue sources by at least 50% or more, and they expect to get a 1 Billion dollar valuation (as per Forbes) on their company now .... I don't think so.

Now that Onlyfans will be losing over 300 million of it's 400 million dollar annual revenues, this presents a great opportunity for some new IT whiz kid with a lot of resources to fill the void and snap up that 300 million a year in business. All they have to do is very simple

Justine said: A-list celebs aren't going to go near anything that is known for adult content so OnlyFans wants to clean up its act.

wamtec said:

Sorry....B/S...a lot of us do NOT have criminal pasts. I have never had a criminal past and they do not make me feel welcome at all and are constantly harassing me for my content, and my external websites.

wamtec said: Bella Thorne and other celebs were using Onlyfans and their fame to exploit the stupidity of their gullible followers.

wamtec said: There are many news articles in the last couple of days that describe the Onlyfan decision as turning their backs on the people who were mostly responsible for their success in the first place. One has to remember that the internet existed from the 1970s to the early 90's (well before Al Gore invented it) but it was solely the domain of scientists, educators and other IT boffins who knew how to communicate in geek machine language. It did not explode and become available to lay people until 1995 when Netscape and others invented the first web browser that non technical people could use to navigate, and the primary reason for the invention of the web browser was mankind's desire to see PORN, so people forget how it was man's desire for porn that drove the creation of the media players we have today.

Onlyfans was created in 2016 and exploded because it allowed sex workers to produce content and keep a lot more of their income than other platforms like Clips4sale and Manyvids. One of my former models, Megan Jones, became a millionaire in only 2 years with her Onlyfans channel. Onlyfans are making a huge mistake cowtowing to pressure from the banks and card processors, because porn is at least 75% of their business revenues today. Currently the Onlyfans company are seeking a 1 Billion valuation for investors (as per Forbes Magazine), but now they wish to turn their business model into just another "Vimeo". Look at the data. Last year revenues for Onlyfans were 450 million, whereas last year revenues for Vimeo were only 199 milliion, so they will be cutting their revenue sources by at least 50% or more, and they expect to get a 1 Billion dollar valuation (as per Forbes) on their company now .... I don't think so.

Yesterday Onlyfans gave a press release that said that it was never their intention for their platform to be a porn business. This does not pass the laugh test, because look at who owns Onlyfans. The UK guy who founded the site only owns 25% but the business is owned 75% by a Ukrainian Billionaire (1.8 billion as per Forbes) called Leonid Radvinsky who has a long long history of owning and operating illegal porn sites, including Myfreecams and many other illegal adult sites that were shut down by authorities.

https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/onlyfans-billionaire-owner-leonid-radvinsky

So, the Onlyfans press statement that they never wanted to be a porn platform is ludicrous. They built their business on the basis of supporting sex workers, and their business model was very simple, to offer a much better rev sharing deal that other platforms like Clips4sale and Manyvids offered, so they undercut Clips4sale and other similar platforms, and took away their business by offering a better rev sharing split.

So now they want to go "Mary Poppins" and to desert the very people who built their business. Good luck on that, because we do not need another "Vimeo". Their revenues will decline by 50-70% and be more like Vimeo's revenues now, and they can kiss goodbye to that 1 billion dollar investor valuation they are seeking as well.

Man's desire for "legal porn" will always be there, and no amount of banking or credit card rules are going to stifle what is totally LEGAL for sex workers to do and for adult consumers to buy. Onlyfans should have remembered who it was that buttered their bread, and created more options for crypto and other payment systems to flourish, instead of caving to the banks and credit card companies that are influenced by politicians.

BTW, this goes to show that no amount of documentation and record keeping requirements are going to makes things "safer" for legal sex workers, because Onlyfans had some of the strictest regulations on photo ids, release forms etc yet despite meeting all legal requirements, they move the goal posts again and shut things down anyway.

Now that Onlyfans will be losing over 300 million of it's 400 million dollar annual revenues, this presents a great opportunity for some new IT whiz kid with a lot of resources to fill the void and snap up that 300 million a year in business. All they have to do is very simple

* create a platform that offers a better rev share than 60/40 Clips4sale/Manyvids
* create a company with hundreds of servers that is outside of the USA and EU
* use non U.S. non EU banks and credit card processors
* add more flexibility and privacy for consumers via Crypto Currency options

If I was still in my 30's I would assemble a top notch IT team and start a new hosting platform myself, but now I am a retired old fart, so I will leave it to some other entrepreneur.

The irony is, both Messmaster and Soundguy already have already created mainstream adult media systems as a small sideline to their main wam business, but they lack the resources to be able to expand their mainstream hosting platforms, cos you need a minimum of 100 staff and 1000 servers to compete with Clips4sale or Manyvids.

MK