William Hurt in the movie "Broadcast News":

Hurt: What do you do when your life exceeds your dreams?

News Producer: Don't tell anybody.

But I'm telling you. My life has FAR exceeded my dreams. Both in terms of business and WAM.

I didn't find a WAM person. She found me. I took to it like a duck to water. Or, in my case like Soupy Sales to a pie.

Since that happened in my mid 20's, I have lost track of the number of different women I have been fortunate enough to both call friends and WAM friends. I also have a lot of female friends who had zero interest. Although recently one of those friends of about 15 years now has added it to her "bucket list."

I always wanted to be on a bucket list. (Your bucket of gunge jokes go here).

A number of years ago on the UMD I touched on my WAM experiences over the years but because of something I'm about to do with Al (Photoslop) I thought I would re-explain.

Rich at Slapstick Stuff has always called me "The WAM Whisperer." But it's actually far more simple than that.

Most of it has to with being nice, having a good sense of humor and also not seeming needy.

Since the advent of the internet and my involvement in it, I have just been unafraid in telling women about my WAM interest. But what's crucial is HOW I did it. I never made a big deal about it. It is very comparable to business sales. You give the client the info and then you shut up. You wait for a reaction so you know how to continue. And you NEVER EVER push.

If you obsess about it in any way................it's over.

The first thing the woman has to do is accept YOU before you even get to WAM. If they don't, forget it. Move on. It really is about numbers, just like sales. Expect not to be successful most of the time. Although I hate being 0 for a wedding or 0 for a banquet. That has happened frequently. Just gotta move on.

Why am I telling you all this? Because I gave Al permission to use some old photos that he could re-create synthetically and turn into video. I have seen a few examples and it's rather scary watching yourself from 20-25 years ago where you know you didn't record it.....and all of a sudden it's moving. He's going to put some in an upcoming WAM humiliation vid.

You see my icon photo? That's a re-creation but it's almost identical to an old photo. I really want to get down to that weight again. Especially since the woman in the photo looks exactly the freakin' same.

Anyway, that's the story morning glory. I might even have him create a series of scenes between Jen (the woman who got me into WAM) and me for your "enjoyment." (need her permission)

Many of those scenes were from Las Vegas which needs an entirely different post because of how surreal it was and still occasionally is.

Robby

So basically you are telling us you are going to add to the AI problem we have in this community already. Oh wait you are already trying to sell AI stuff for more than what hard working models and producers are earning per download.

Oh, and thanks for the advice no one asked for. Has anyone ever asking for your advice? Because I can't remember anyone asking for your self aggrandizing memoir.

Go ahead and push you AI junk. Go ahead and tell the people how you met the AI girl you are imagining.

Geez, did someone shit in your Cool Whip today?

I'm not selling any A.I. stuff. All the stuff on the WLP site now that is synthetic is Al's. (Photoslop) But I don't hate A.I. like you do. Although I kind of get the feeling you don't like much of anything.

Yes, I'm regularly asked for advice and that's hardly a recent occurrence. When you get old like me, people tend to assume that you have done things they have not. Plus many have actually met me, so maybe they feel more comfy asking.

Imagining? Right, I have produced over 30 videos including roughly a dozen or so that have women pieing me from two different websites including Jayce's website, but I'm just "imagining" being pied by a woman.

The only A.I. woman I know is Jayce and that's because I'm pretty sure we shot a few vids together. But maybe I was just "imagining" it.

(eerie music plays)

Robby

First, what artistic thing did you do with your AI videos you are selling for $12.95 a download? Did you write dialog? did you hire a model? Did you pay for and mix a messy substance used? NO, You didn't. You sat at a computer with your hand in your titty whiteys and changed a couple of words in a prompt.

I think the rule for anyone selling AI images for a profit, they should be forced to send those funds to the AI program they are using because the program is the artist, not you.

You claimed you are friends with Jayce and Rich and yet asking $12.95 for AI products is disrespectful to the work they have to put into their videos. Rich had to hire a model, make messy materials, and shoot, edit, and clean up. Jayce has to do the same with her videos.

I don't give a shit what you did 20 years ago. I have been on multiple SexyMessyBabes video shoots helping out, I have plenty of models that go out of their way to make the best art they can to build relationships with producers. You are basically spitting on their integrity and work saying, and I am sorry to bring this image back up, but your sitting at your computer with your hand in your titty whiteys.

This is an excellent example of someone who simply doesn't understand how business works, price points and basic supply and demand.

I took it offline because I know MM doesn't like this kind of arguing but since he challenged me as "being afraid and looking bad" if I didn't talk here... I'm reposting our conversation:

After he posted here ripping into me I responded with:



My goodness what is your problem? Videos not selling?

A.I. is not going away and offers a number of opportunities for WAM fans. Not that it's something I would create and sell, but that's where the young folks are going to kick everyone's butt.

Have a gummie.

He responded with:

Go fuck yourself. My videos sell fine. What pisses me off is the fact that you are pushing AI and trying to sell it for $12.95. Jayce just released a wetlook video for $7 a download. She had to come up with a storyline, shoot it, clean up and edit the video. You sat at you computer and repeated a prompt changing a few things and thought that's make your work worth twice as hers. You are claiming your value is worth more than artists making products. You're a fucking joke. Go ahead and just disappear. Ask Rich how he feels about you claiming your AI non art.is worth more than the models he hires and the scenes he writes and the editing he does. I love that you want to have this argument in messages instead of of publicly because you know you will look bad

I responded with:

Second time....I'm not selling ANYTHING A.I. That's all Al's stuff. We are biz partners in a number of areas. We met when he was 19 or so. He's a WAM guy. Because we are partners I'm letting use the WLP site since I couldn't create new videos even if I wanted to do so.

Things sell based on perceived value. If people don't think A.I. is worthwhile or too expensive, then it won't sell. Basic supply and demand 101.

It doesn't matter what Jayce, Rich or you sell videos for. It's irrelevant.

You remind me of the guy locally here who owned like six area Fotomats and was pissed that that digital photography was putting him out of business.

I guess all those digital photo companies should have just shut down...right?

Value is exactly and precisely what the public thinks it is worth. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Afraid? I've survived a heart attack and two bouts of cancer. I'm not afraid of anything any more. I took it here because I have met Messmaster and he always wants these things OFF the forum boards.

However, if you want it there....I'm happy to comply.

You sell AI and allow it on your store and then claim, I have nothing to do with it.

No, I said I don't create it and I don't sell it. I don't. That's Al's area of expertise, not mine.

I didn't see the point of having a biz partner have to pay for his own website. So he creates and posts on our old one.

You just seem to be worked up about something that is a pure business price point concept and rather than discuss that intelligently you told me to "go fuck myself" among other things.

If things sell, they sell. If they don't sell, they don't.

Do I tell you, "OMG you're using nudity...that's not fair! All our WLP models are clothed!"

Robby

You are hiding behind a business partner doing things on your platform under your name. There is a price point issue and then there is just blatant disrespect. It is not right selling something you don't have exclusive rights to, that was created by a program exclusively. You want to be associated with that you go ahead but just admit you don't respect the real artists making real art. And next time you tell these women you tell a you are into wam, tell them you allow your biz partner to disrespect true artists. There is a reason AI artists are being thrown off a lot of artistic website and conventions.

Right I'm hiding. That's why I've been talking about it since I've been back and he put the site up.
First I was too scared to hash this out here, but now that I have, I'm hiding behind something?

Al posts here all the time, when he's not in Canada fishing with his girlfriend anyway.

You seem to forget the videos I have created over the last 25 years were NOT A.I. They were written, scripted, directed, edited and promoted. Some sold really well, some sold crappy. But I didn't whine about people using better cams than I did, better editing software than I did or having constructed better websites. I didn't whine about people being nude and say "Oh, that's disrespectful to me because I had to buy clothes and write scripts and they just sat in a plastic pool.......on a white plastic chair.

I actually have ZERO rights to it btw. I get nothing out of it. It's just sitting on the old WLP website, but I'm sure Al appreciates the plug.

Hey, are you two in this together? How nefarious!!!

Hmmmm...so, if someone makes WAM videos for fun and just gives them away, should people be pissy? Doesn't that interfere in sales? Isn't that disrespectful?

You keep using the word "disrespect"...like WAM videos are some kind of incredibly difficult artistic endeavor.
Is it time consuming? Sure it is. In some cases does it take some acting talent? Sure it does.

But disrespect? That's beyond absurd.

Again, you remind me of a local guy who used to own 6 Fotomats. He was really pissed when digital photography started and put him out of business. Should the digital folks have shut down their businesses?
Did they have disrespect for Fotomats?

What you are saying is BEYOND convoluted in any known business sense.

Robby

This place has really gone to hell.

JY

Oh, it was always Hell. We just dressed it up nicely, pied it, gunged it and called it a day.

Robby

How is AI a problem?

Your comparisons make no sense. It is not disrespectful for an artist to give away their content for free, that is that artist's choice. Your argument about nudity vs non nudity is not an argument either. Artist are allowed to show as much or as little as they want. That is the options you get when you are an artist. In that same way whether the AI is nude or not is up to the real artist, the AI program. Here's how you know it is really disrespectful. Producers have their property pirated and stolen, which is a crime. If someone sent me all those AI pictures on the site you created, I could list them all in my store for free and AL would have no right to take action. In fact I could undercut him and sell every AI image every sold and sell it for a $1 on here and no one could do anything. It would be completely legal.

While I'm personally very much against Ay-Eye, there's nothing illegal about it, it's here to stay, the public will vote with its dollars, and this has quickly descended into a binary argument, just like pretty much everything in 2025.

Robby, you do whatever you wanna do and what makes your life more fulfilling, cheers

JY

Ok, but you're going to have to tell Margot Robbie why I'm stalking her.

Amway, obviously.

That would be wrong.

After consulting my legal team (which is really just my neighbors next door who both work in the intellectual property area) say....and I'm paraphrasing....

The U.S. Copyright Office has said that purely AI-generated works (where the AI makes all the creative choices without meaningful human input) cannot be copyrighted.

But if you make significant creative contributions like writing a script, directing the prompts, editing, arranging, or otherwise shaping the final product then the human-made parts can be protected by copyright.

Example: If you just type "make me a sci-fi short film" and accept the raw output, it likely isn't copyrightable. But if you edit the scenes, choose the dialogue, adjust pacing, or remix it, then your creative decisions may qualify.


Now, I have only watched 2 out of all of Al's videos....but I know how he makes them and they are most certainly arranged in a specific way and occasionally in a creative way. And they are definitely edited so I wouldn't advise pilfering them. Although, hey, if you think the copyright office is wrong, I say give it your best shot.

Robby

Very rare Fark.com poltabs vibe here with this discussion.

Nah, just fark it.

After all, Bizopp says I have an imaginary girlfriend for WAM play. Even though I have posted about a dozen videos with me being pied by various women. Not to mention writing, directing and editing about 30 more scenes of just women getting pied that have along with the Shepiestheguy videos have been up there for about 20 years.

If I'm just imagining all that, does that mean I don't have to pay taxes on those imaginary videos?

BTW....just an FYI, nobody prefers synthetic videos...at least not yet...compared to the real thing. I don't either but then again, watching vids isn't my "thing." I like participating.

I also just looked at another of Al's vids and saw there's like 40 different scenes with 40 different women. That's a rather interesting selling point compared to just one scene with one woman synthetic or not.

But one more time, all the whining in the world will not stop A.I. creators from creating WAM videos any more than Fotomat stopped people from making digital cameras.

In ANY business, WAM or otherwise, you either adapt to changes in your industry or you go out of business.

Hey BizOpp? How do feel about mixing A.I. with real people in a WAM video?


Robby

The prompt is not sufficient human creativity to qualify for copywriter under US law

https://www.finnegan.com/en/insights/ip-updates/us-copyright-office-ai-prompts-alone-provide-insufficient-control-over-expression-to-protect-ai-generated-content.html#:~:text=Finding%20that%20%E2%80%9C%5Bp%5Drompts,case%2Dby%2Dcase%20basis.

I didn't say the prompt ALONE was. You can't re-create something I didn't say and then attack it.

Here's what I said:

"But if you make significant creative contributions like writing a script, directing the prompts, editing, arranging, or otherwise shaping the final product then the human-made parts can be protected by copyright."

Stop selectively quoting. Also, you own links says the same thing I said above...assuming you read the entire text of your link.


Robby

directing the prompts. It is one of the things you stated made it a significant creative contribution, which it is not.

No I did not.

Here is my original post........AGAIN:


The U.S. Copyright Office has said that purely AI-generated works (where the AI makes all the creative choices without meaningful human input) cannot be copyrighted.

But if you make significant creative contributions like writing a script, directing the prompts, editing, arranging, or otherwise shaping the final product then the human-made parts can be protected by copyright.

All of those together makes it's NOT a "purely AI generated work."

Here's one more short legal opinion. He's currently in a bar, but says he's sober.

A.I. only = weak or no copyright.

A.I that includes your direction, editing, and creativity = strong copyright.

Ok, if I have to explain the difference between "and" and "or" then I will. When you list items separated by commas and say "or" instead of "and" then it means it could any of the listed items. When you list stuff separated by commas and use "and" it means all the listed items need to be present.

Your passive aggressiveness notwithstanding, you are again selectively quoting....

What does the first paragraph say? It already states that PURELY AI generated works cannot be copyrighted.So since I typed it I already knew that.

The U.S. Copyright Office has said that purely AI-generated works (where the AI makes all the creative choices without meaningful human input) cannot be copyrighted.

But if you make significant creative contributions like writing a script, directing the prompts, editing, arranging, or otherwise shaping the final product then the human-made parts can be protected by copyright.

PLUS...in reality directing prompts CAN be copyrighted if your direction includes creativity. It can't just be a short phrase, but apparently if you use creativity in the prompt in an ongoing story for example, it gives you "human authorship" and human authorship can be copyrighted. So if Al wanted me to write an outline for each "WAM theater piece" that included audio and a story....voila! Copyright.

Now I am NOT a legal person nor do I play one on the UMD, but that comes from an intellectual property law firm that specializes in copyright. So I"m going to assume they know what they are talking about.

But can we get back to why after I have spent 25 years on the UMD producing 40 or so videos with many of them including me getting pied, especially the SPTG videos that you think I have an IMAGINARY WAM partner?
Geez, there's even a video of Jayce pieing me. Is that imaginary too?

Or is that just a projection on your part?

Robby

If work could not be copyrighted that was made using AI, studio execs would not have reduced the role of actors to an 8 hour training session with AI. You can copyright AI. I don't like that it is a thing, but that is where we are. All the movies that have been made using AI are 100% copyright protected.

Did you pay Jayce? did Jayce pay you for the video in her store? Did you pay the other models in your videos? Have you ever had someone shoot with you for free? Have you ever been invited onto other producer's shoots? Have you ever been asked to write to contribute to a scene without paying?

You asked:

Did you pay Jayce? did Jayce pay you for the video in her store? Did you pay the other models in your videos? Have you ever had someone shoot with you for free? Have you ever been invited onto other producer's shoots? Have you ever been asked to write to contribute to a scene without paying?

You forgot to ask:

"Joey, do you love gladiator movies?" and "Joey, have you ever seen a grown man naked?"


Now, what does ANY of that have to do with you thinking my WAM life is "imaginary?"

Robby

You come in here and write these long self aggrandizing descriptions about how you have managed to meet women and get messy with them and how we should all listen to how you did it with your charm and humor. You hired models like the rest of producers do.

You know what is being different is when a female producer asks your opinion and help because she doesn't know what to do for her first collab, so you write her a script to base it on. It is about a friend offering to model for you for free and sets up an affordable studio so we can make the video right. It is about helping on other producer's shoots because they trust you.

You might have a good relationship with some models but a lot of us do, you aren't special. So I again say thank you for posting the long self aggrandizing memoir nobody asked for.