flank said: Someone asked a similar question last year:
https://umd.net/forums/looking-for-collaboration-to-produce-vid
You might find the links there useful in terms of finding a model.

Widgy said: Hi all,
I have been on the UMD since the start & i think it's time i had a go myself at producing my own material to my taste & hopefully to other people.

My offering would be under a 'trash the dress concept' & would need just 1 female model to help with this & work for me as & when required.

My productions would be formalwear only & contain no nudity with the emphasis based on roleplays/skits would be in the office, restaurant, at the church etc trashing Smart Skirt Suits, Pretty Frilly Blouses, Evening Dresses, Prom Dresses, & of course Wedding Dresses.

I just wanted to know the best way of going about this as i am just itching to have a go to my own spec instead of getting customs from other producers.

Thanks for reading

Widgy (Chris) x

16parkvilla said:
Your style of trash the dress concept is right up my street, they are exactly the kind of clips I buy

Sound great that someone could get destroyed in the office, restaurant, at the church etc trashing Smart Skirt Suits, Pretty Frilly Blouses, Evening Dresses, Prom Dresses, & of course Wedding Dresses, absolutely perfect.

Cant help with the model, but I'll definitely be buying the end result

DungeonMasterOne said: First off, from my POV the more producers there are, the larger the market and the better everyone will do overall, especially if more people are shooting their own passions, rather than trying to second-guess what will sell well. Passion projects always come over better than purely commercial ones do.

So I'd be happy to see you join the ranks of producers, and don't take anything below as meant to be off-putting, but there are things to be aware of, and take in the correct order, to get anywhere.

First off, don't expect to make any significant money. WAM is not a high profit genre. It is possible to break even and make a little profit, but no-one's driving round with their entourage in a fleet of limosuines off the money they make from WAM, especially not fully clothed WAM. In my case, everything that comes in, goes back out again in model fees, costs of materials, and taxes. The real "profit" is that I get to shot with great models, many of whom have bcome actual friends, wearing the outfits I like and messing themselves and each other up in ways that I like to watch. In many ways that's better than money. But as bills have to be paid and food and fuel bought, I'll not be quitting the dayjob any time soon.

The three most important things for anyone setting out to be a producer are location, location, and location. What kind of facility do you have, or plan to use/hire, as your WAM production space? Solo-girl producers doing their own stuff can get away with shooting in their bathrooms as long as they're well lit. But if you're planning to work with actual models, you'll need something better. The ideal WAM space is a room with hot and cold running water, a concrete floor, and a mains-sewer-connected drain in the corner, so you can hose the whole space out after each shoot. Other types of rooms can be used but wash-out will be harder, especially over time if you do lots of shoots, if you can't hose the floor down.

Next there's the actual photographic side. Do you already have lights, good camera gear, and know your way round it? Even with perfect facilities and great models, bad camera work can ruin any scene.

Then, after you have the facilities and photo/video/lighting, you can start to think about hiring models. And this is where it pays to be scrupuliously professional at all stages.

I saw your offer of the free wedding dress the other week. Thought about putting an offer in as I think we have a model it'd fit, but personally I'm not keen on that "fluffy" style of dress, I prefer more classic "smooth satin drape" ones. plus looking at all those ruffles I realised it'd easily take a hundred quid's worth of chocolate sauce to properly cover and drench it, possibly more, and of course there'd still be the model fees and other expenses, and the fact is wedding dress scenes are relatively slow sellers. I guessed it was more up the Rev's street than mine.

DungeonMasterOne said:

First off, don't expect to make any significant money. WAM is not a high profit genre. It is possible to break even and make a little profit,

Chiaseed said:
As a side note:
I certainly agree this is generally true but I always wondered, how was Leon Moomin able to maintain such a hugely more extensive operation than any other producer I can think of? Dozens of models, permanent specially adapted premises, frequent overseas shoots with multiple girls, literally thousands of scenes spread over several sites. He just seemed to operate very comfortably on a much grander scale than even the most well established producers out there.
Even if he was ploughing it all back into the business, he must have been bringing in a lot of money, surely? Any thoughts on this?