I was wondering something today whether any custom customers on UMD has got stories of genuine mistakes that have been made by producers or the hosts on your customs that has inadvertently made the custom scene 10 times better.

From Mostwam i have noticed 2 occasions where this has happened and had a significant meaning to the result and who gets messy (certainly in a game show format). Obviously a customer will put hundreds of pounds into paying for a custom and having some kind of script for the producers to follow... producers do an incredible job following the instructions and scripts of the customer so they can make the best product they can... making sure every detail of what the customer has paid for comes out perfectly

But on the very odd occasion where maybe producers make a genuine mistake, an accident that may result in a very different outcome to that custom, to something you have planned.
But actually that freak outcome due to the mistake may have actually worked incredibly well... better than anyone would have predicted.

I've noticed that 2 Mostwam customs i've watched, In one there was a complete accident with the result of a game which would have saved Emily from any mess... But her Sister Charlotte made a mistake that got Emily covered in alot of savoury instead. We heard later in a another scene what Emily wasn't happy with Charlotte for days after! haha... But that result elevated the scene to new heights

And there also a recent Pie scene that host casey made a mistake on the order of rounds, to which Sky ended up getting pied more than she should have done. Again that mistake elevated the scene to new heights... and everyone else loved that twist on set (apart from Sky)

I was just wondering if that has happened to people of here, what their experience was and how they think about it now?

I really understand that. I've always had great experiences creating customs with the few producers that i've worked with over the years. Never have i ever had experienced "the producer thinking they knew what was best and going into business for themselves" especially with YOUR MONEY!... when your paying so much money for a custom... that's disgusting.

I think when you have credible producers that you trust and you know their work.. you can understand the odd mistake will happen on the odd occasion because they're human. sometimes it goes the wrong way and you don't like the outcome of that mistake and we've heard that from some people over the years on this forum.. however sometimes those mistakes can be positive... and i haven't heard of those happening as much

Hmmm, considering the number of customs I've had, the number of mistakes is very small. Different interpretations have happened a few times, in NC the game is always genuine, I did give an instruction that I wanted a certain result once as I didn't think one of the girls would work with the themed outfit of the next round (and I won't say who as it is irrelevant and she won the game fairly anyway)) When Sky was the hired in stooge in the Charlotte double header, she was given the answers to her round of questions which I think everyone except Charlotte worked out.

In terms of actual mistakes, I can only think of one, someone forgot to put the tank grill in! https://customwam-store.umd.net/download_info/emily-vs-charlotte-numerically-challenge The thing is, in the edit, they did such a good job of the reset that if they hadn't put in the non-grill drop, I don't think anyone would know. As it was, we had Emily's grin twice (she must have hated having to gunge Charlotte twice)

I remember that. I didn't notice at first watching it in real time (as they cut to the tank cam then cut back) You were just so lucky to have the one custom with the gunge gun gunge and the gunge tank being the same colour... cos usually you have 2 different colours... they wouldn't have been able to edit that haha.

Out of all the customs I've ever commissioned, I can't think of one mistake that actually improved the scene. On two occasions, the model getting dumped on was struggling with the mess, so the girls originally scheduled to stay clean and just pour stuff volunteered to switch places and finish the scene. Those made the best of a difficult situation, and I was overall happy with the end result.

I've been lucky enough to largely have very good experiences with customs, which is why I tend to stick to the same handful of producers: Custom Fetish, Anatomik, Jayce, MostWAM, Axa Jay. If I get the vibe that someone is trying to steer me toward something toward something that has more broad appeal for their store, I'll either offer to pay more to get exactly what I want or just call the whole thing off. I had one producer agree to everything in my script then completely disregard it toward something that sounded kinda similar but just fit their brand. Never again.

Which is why we made the decision for me not to be involved in customs.
There is no way that my strand of the fetish can contaminate the product.
Not that I'd ever do it intentionally, but having Alex and Charlotte run our customs has been amazing, they do a fantastic job getting the customs done exactly as the customer wants, which can be so challenging when the customers are offer not specific enough, requiring lots of questions from Charlotte.

I agree, Charlotte is brilliant with fanatical attention to detail. 20+ customs to date & can't recall Charlotte or Casey making a mistake. Told them I'm happy for them to ad lib so any deviation from the script only adds to the outcome...

Were the girls WAM veterans or were they more generic fetish models? It seems odd that girls who have done WAM videos before would become so overwhelmed by the mess that they couldn't finish a scene.

I like the idea that people who get customs can come together and share our experiences.

I tend to leave my custom scripts somewhat open ended, since I don't want to be telling the expert how to do their job if that makes sense. like I didn't specify specific messy items to use but instead pointed to existing scenes that I liked and said 'more of this'.

I've had things added that made it better. For example, when I did the Human Garbage Disposal series with messygirl, they added the idea of pouring all the mess into the bucket in front of the model while she's out of character, which I now ask for as I think it adds to the effect.

I haven't had a mistake actively improve the scene, for example this was meant to be the first Human Garbage Disposal https://dl.messygirlvideos.com/cgi/autogal.pl?vidnum=tws-75-0850 but I hadn't clearly explained I wanted it in the inflatable thing, so that was an opportunity to make alterations to the next scene. I don't think this scene is as good as the garbage disposal scenes (this is also before we had the idea to mix everything)


There have been times where specific directions in the script were changed but it worked, for example for this https://dl.messygirlvideos.com/cgi/autogal.pl?vidnum=tws-75-0857 my original script said three small buckets with different messes mixed together. The final scene has one big bucket containing the same messes. I didn't anticipate how the mixed messes would still layer as she gots slimed, so it had the same overall effect I was looking for, and I altered the script for the rest of the three scenes to follow what they did with Tatum.


I'd definitely be interested in seeing the scripts for things that are considered to be successful and unsuccessful customs, so I can see where it went well and where it didn't.

The two who switched places were relatively novice fetish models who indicated that they were game to shoot WAM as well. It can be kind of a crap shoot when picking models, but I've probably done about 40 shoots with that particular producer, who knows exactly what my preferences are for camera angles, lighting, reactions, etc. and we usually come up with winners.

All of my customs have been from Charlotte and they've all been genuine game show type scenes so the formats are predetermined but not the dialogue.

There haven't been any mistakes in any of my customs that I can think of, but there was an intervention in one that Charlotte made which went on to make the final outcome much more pleasing.

https://customwam-store.umd.net/download_info/custom-gtg-with-casey-amber-and-charlot
was the episode (sorry for the spoilers, but it's been out nearly 2 years )

Casey had placed the 5 possible outcomes of who would go in the gunge tank in different envelopes and Amber had to interrogate her to decide which one to open, with Casey trying to bluff her. After a couple of minutes of grilling, Amber suddenly decided on an envelope, picked it up and started to open it. Casey's reaction of immediately laughing made Amber stop opening the envelope and then there was a break in filming.
Charlotte thought I would have wanted Amber to spend longer deciding on an envelope so told Amber to carry on grilling Casey for a bit longer before finally deciding. She did and eventually decided on a different envelope to the one she was originally going to open.
The envelope she eventually decided on was for Amber and Charlotte to be gunged and the one she had originally started opening but decided against was for just Casey to be gunged. Amber's furious reaction was absolutely priceless

I do have a scene planned that was summarised as "imagine ... as normal, except Leon's there with gunge..."



It was peach gunge for the gun, which wasn't the most successful colours, it looked like the colour didn't stayed mixed through the gunge and settled...

I suppose it helps if the scenario was one that suits the participants as well. I've only done the one and I wrote it because I thought Jess was a perfect fit for it. If I were doing one for, say, Rachel, I'd write one where she's a bit more pissed off in the scene. She does a very good annoyed.

I honestly can't imagine a mistake improving a custom, though small ones may not ruin it.

We do customs occasionally, they're a lot more worry and work than doing our own scenes, precisely because of the risk that we'll get something wrong and the customer will hate the result. Though at the same time we do advise people not to go too elaborate or complex in their scripts entirely because of the risk someone gets things wrong.

More years ago now than I want to think about, in a different century, I once contacted Brian Grove with a view to having what would now be called a custom done. I've mostly forgotten the details in the intervening decades but one bit of advice he gave me that stuck: "Remember these girls aren't actresses, and once the mess starts to fly, forget having them follow any detailed instructions."

In our own customs, we tend to advise people to specify any specific things they want to happen in an exact order or way, towards the start of the script. But once everyone has been messed up, just let it flow and let the girls more or less do what they like to each other, just within an overall type, like lots of pies to the face or lots of pouring into trousers. While an elaborate script can be followed all the way through it'll mean lots and lots of breaks and pauses while filming, and though obviously those get edited out of the finished film, the slow pacing and more stilted result will still show up. Which is fine if that's what the customer wants but IME at least you get more joy when the girls can be more spontaneous and just have at each other with the goo once the main set-piece sections are done.

I've only had one custom done (via MostWam):
https://customwam-store.umd.net/download_info/shaving-foam-pie-buzzers-emilyannasky

I originally asked to have the score displayed in the corner via editing (similar to a football match), but they forgot. As it turned out, omitting the score worked a lot better, because it was a really close contest and it kept the suspense of not knowing the winner until it was announced at the end. So, a happy accident there, and everything else was exactly the way I wanted it.

I can only think of one example and it was one of my first customs years ago. Cali Logan wasn't supposed to get pied until halfway in. Hannah was supposed to get all the pies during the first half. Instead, Keri nailed Cali first and in the first few minutes. So Cali was covered with ONE pie for the first half. Turns out, I liked that better.

This. I've gotten a mixed bag on customs. There've been 6 that were good, 1 great one, and 4 that made me cringe...I try to be completely as descriptive as possible, provide images of what I'm into and still, I've gotten results that weren't exactly what I was looking for. I was lucky enough to get a refund on one of them because it was so far off from what I asked for. I guess you gotta live with what you can get though if you can't be there doing the mess yourself.

I did get the chance to film my own custom, but even that kind of turned out to be a bit of a disaster for me with a less than great camera, and it shutting off on me during filming, but knowing that I was there and doing the messing makes it tolerable and still one of my favorites, wish I had the opportunity more often, but it's pretty rare around here to find random girls that'll let you pour mess all over their heads...

I may come across as a MostWam fan boy, but I've had >20 customs done with them over the last 18 months & they've all been exceptional. Maybe it's Charlotte's attention to detail or I'm just smitten with Casey or Al is a brilliant cameraman or all three... Whatever it is, I'll be back as soon as lockdown ends & they can start shooting again