Manta said:
A bunch of red flags come up for me here. Punctuation is the real tragedy, but ~ they're mentioning classic WAM producers while generously disclosing their apparent age.. and UMD is their 2nd home *but they've only been here one year?* ... and immediately after getting everyone's attention (in such an initially rude manner) they're asking for relationship advice?

Lastly, *this is also their very first post for the UMD*

Just trying to save you guys from needless engagement.

bbwam said: I don't feel like debating/defending anything here, but I think there's a probably a better way to put what the original poster is saying. Not knocking any current producers, but I will say, if you were to critique current WAM industry, it feels a little formulaic, and it feels like it's contracting rather than expanding. I'll talk about the latter later. but just for starters, producers like Anglefan and Slapstickstuff have definitely slowed down-- not knocking them at all, they've done a ton for the community and have an insane amount of material. but new stuff isn't coming out as much, and if you rewind to even 2 or 3 years ago, alot more was going on. if you go back even further to pre-COVID, it felt like UMD was exploding. You had a mix of OGs with 2nd and 3rd gen producers doing a lot, it seemed like there was more amateur content getting posted. I can see remnants of it when I go deep diving for co-ed content-- my favorite WAM is a husband and wife pieing each other, I can't help it, and it seems like a lot of that content disappeared/got deleted over the past couple of years. Sort of rambling here, but my point is it seemed like there were so many different pockets of just WAM in here, and nowadays it feels like there was some extinction event that wiped out 40-50% of diversity that had previously been in the ecosystem. just some more idiosyncratic examples-- there's no mypierogative posting like crazy on here. and that leads me to the point from above, I think Onlyfans and Patreon have a large part in this. We're already a pretty niche fetish to begin with, and I think those two platforms alone draw a lot of interest and awareness of this fetish away so that a lot of independent models/fetishists that would otherwise become active on UMD never do so. and to their credit, what incentive do they have to do so? I'm not knocking them for it, but I don't think the confluence of the rise of Onlyfans and what is arguably a decline in UMD is a coincidence. Finally, just to backtrack, PGK and mypierogative were like once in a generation wammers I think. Especially with digital footprints and how connected everything is today, it takes a lot to just fully put yourself out there like that for years at a time. there's just no two ways about it.

as for positives, and I don't mean to snub anyone, but I think WAM with Benefits and the resurgence of the PieZone through the basement tapes are top-tier content. And Messygirl has been extremely consistent with volume of content, especially once you consider how long they've been around-- if you expect any studio to maintain a certain style for longer than 5 years, that's asking a lot. life goes on outside of WAM-- I would love to see certain eras of Messygirl make a comeback, but I'm still glad they're making videos.

Anyhow, final point, like with anything, nothing is forever, good or bad. there will be a resurgence on here at some point, for reasons none of us can foresee. on my bingo card is mypierogative returns as a producer like the OG messygirl and she makes guest appearances.

on a side note-- I'm a huge fan of co-ed content, and females take a disproportionate amount of mess/pies here. when I was younger I only watched female wam, as I've aged I've come to appreciate both ways much more. the way Rich from SS has pied women across over 300 volumes, it would be awesome to see a female producer do the same thing to men and try to break his record/match his quality. could say the same for anglefan-- either way, would love to see "lazy" punchlines from women catcalling men (all in a humorous, tongue in cheek manner the way Rich does it) and then nailing them with pies.

food for thought, cut me down if you're so inclined, I've said my piece (of pie)

sorry, also need to shout out slimegenesis' princess zone, best co-ed content out there right now arguably. (Sorry Archnemesis, women don't pie you-- different type of co-ed IMO)

SlapstickStuff said:
Also, there really is no practical reason for any young woman to do WAM if she's already doing OnlyFans or Patreon. She's making far more than I (or another producer) could ever pay her