So...there is a girl who delivers for the Chinese takeaway in my area, she's very cute and seems to be around my age.

I was thinking about answering the door one time and saying something along the lines of "hey I've been given this challenge/dare/bet to get the takeaway deliverer to pie me (or let me pie them if I'm feeling brave).

What do you guys think of this idea? Is there anything law-wise I need to know or is it just not advised?

Ant... is that you?

No -.- Ant wouldn't even consider it to be a bad idea, hence me asking in here, I guess it was just a fantasy that I wanted to become reality ^_^

Hehe, nice reply mate and no worries - it IS a nice fantasy but one that should remain so.

Unless my next girlfriend happens to be a delivery girl, I'd on purposely order when she was on shift XD

Personally I do not see any harm in this as you are not hurting anybody and the worst she can say is no. As long as you don't do anything like film it without her knowledge etc I don't see a problem. Maybe she will enjoy it too and it becomes regular, you just never know. You only live once.

You're right, I was being flippant but reconsidered and deleted my comment

I concur. When I was a kid/teen I tricked people a few times. I talked to a young lady I met here on the UMD on the phone once and I told her my stories. She called me out on my creepiness and hung up on me. I never forgot that and I realized how wrong that was of me. If you're out there reading this, miss, I just want to say thank you for calling me out on my past behavior. Hope you're doing well.

Let's stay classy, guys!!

Why not order something then ask her to go out for a drink or dinner if you like her then who knows where it might lead

I'm like a broken record with this stuff but it's just not the right way to go about it. Anything sexual shouldn't be done in any way other than upfront. The old "what they don't know can't hurt them" attitude is just selfish and incredibly narrow minded and creepy. I could go on

I have to agree there!




And I would guess that it is probably a fantasy that every one of us (guys) on here has had at one time or another.

But I think that Kitten put it very well in both of her posts!

One suggestion; the next time she delivers something to you, ask her on a date. Then see how things progress from there. Then, if she becomes your girlfriend, you can bring it up at the appropriate time.

Norman

If she was born in China, she will be *very* uncomfortable if you ask her that. She won't know what to do or say and will be very shy and coy. She may actually honor your request because she's been taught that service people should do basically anything the customer asks if it's not too awful...but she will do so reluctantly, won't hit you hard at all (so you'll be disappointed), and it's most certainly the last time you will see her ever. It may be the last time you ever get delivery from that place as well, although you will never be told why. They'll just tell you they're out of everything you try to order.

Is that the scene you want to make?

If she's first generation, it won't be much different. She'll probably tell you "No, I don't think so" and you'll still never see her again and you'll never see another female delivery agent from that restaurant again. If she's not Chinese of any persuasion, she's very likely to kick you and run away.

Also, as a girl, I strongly do not advise asking her on a date when she delivers. That comes across as creepy. She's in a position of vulnerability--you could just grab her when she delivers and drag her into your home. Anything you do that hints at this possibility is bad. You're better off trying to catch her in the restaurant, but that's going to be hard with the owners watching her.

PS: I'm 1.5th generation (mom was born over there, dad is 1st generation).

Reading everybody's comments I would like to retract mine as I have seen a totally different side to this. You live and learn I suppose.

Honestly? Unless you're going to ask her out for real, drop it.:ahahah:

Consider it from a different angle: I'm not getting into detail, but some asshole tried to pull some predatory, non-consensual shit like that on my girl once, and, being a kink-aware guy myself, I recognized it immediately for what it was. Needless to say, shit got extremely ugly. Fast.

She also knows where you live, so if she's creeped out enough to mention it to the cops/family/enraged boyfriend, there's that.

(Sorry for the shortness, but to this day, I can feel the red mist setting in along the edges as I type this.)

Maybe I'm a bit harsh on people but these situations are so black and white in how to go about them. I'd love to see the reaction of people who think this stuff is ok if say an old fella who's been working on there house had been sniffing there boxies when they were out. I can't imagine them just laughing it off.

Stuff like this, YouTube 'dares' and say getting someone Gunged in the name of charity then posting them on here without them knowing (sorry couldn't help myself) is just wrong.

This isn't aimed at the op btw just the many people who still think it's ok

Excellent points made by people here

There is no need to be a deviant just because you like something YOU suspect no girls will!! It doesn't help the reputation of kinky people like ourselves! And people can surprise you with how open they are to trying stuff.

Our own fears of being judged for what we like have made us all so bloody scared. Scaring us into doing underhand things. Be honest about what you like with your girlfriend!! And don't feel ashamed about it. We are our own worst enemies when we really should be our own best friends!

Everyone is into something unusual, but it doesn't make us all freaks ro be feared. Be proud and do it right!

Jessie xx
www.messy-jessie.com

Maybe I got something wrong, but I dont see falseness in your plan.

It was claimed that it is wrong, to "use" a girl when it comes to satisfying yourself without letting her know whats going on.

Where does she get damaged? In no point. Given, that it would actually be a dare with no sexual background, it would be okay?

I guess so. Compare it with that what happens every day here at the UMD:
Pictures and videos get uploaded and people sitting in front of their pc satisfying themselves. The most girls on these pictures and videos know what their work is used for. But there are some dare-videos on Youtube, passa-or-repassa-stuff, not meant to be fetish-items.

Dont people also act immorally who "use" that stuff for sexual purpose? The filmed girls at least dont know that they are fetish-models for some guys. So it has to be deplored, too. But I´have never seen a thread about this subject.
Why? Well, of course it doesnt need to be answered.

I dont want to blame somebody. I dont want to say "it is ok to use the delivery-girl". I just want to contest something that seems to be undoubtedly wrong here.

In my opinion there is no right or wrong, as long as nobody gets damaged.
Before you contradict: Did you use the "not-meant-to-be-sexual-messy videos"?
I think it is a matter of double standard.

Ive voiced my opinion on that. I've said I don't agree with posting videos of everyday innocent pie videos on here for people to wank over.

For me it's the manipulative side that I don't agree with. If there is nothing wrong with what you're doing then why not be honest? If the answer is because they wouldn't do it then that's surely all you need to know whether it's right or wrong.

What if halfway through they realise you are aroused by it? You honestly don't think that'd effect them? Make them feel used?
Like I say if you stumbled on the fact some seedy fella had been getting off on you over something innocent would you not go off on one?

Well written, but you are missing the point by some margin.

Many people are turned on by something somewhere, whether its a girl taking a pie in the face for a dare on youtube, a celebrity getting slimed on tv or a multitude of other fetishes which exist in day to day life.

The point is, non of these clips, or happenings, was carried out with the prime intention of allowing one of "those deviant wammerists" to pleasure themselves to. That is a side effect that cannot be avoided. And is in most cases completely harmless.

Where it fails to be so however is when said deviant wammerist decides to post on said girls youtube account or wherever, telling her how hard it made them and how maybe next time they could do it in white socks and whilst wearing a wristwatch. It is hard to imagine how shocked that girl would then be, realising that her clip is in effect soft porn to someone out there. Actually no, its not hard to imagine because it happens far too often.

My point is, random strangers should NEVER be approached to provide sexual material, no matter what the nature of it is, under pretence or otherwise. And no matter how hot the girl or how much you think she might like it!

Sure a pie is harmless, but the act for us is a sexual one and that is not. Just apply the thinking to a few other sexual fetishes and see what your answer is then.

Spot on. Exactly what I wanted to put.

I'm the worst person in these types of situations. I'm all for everyone being entitled to an opinion but I just see this as right and wrong and this is very wrong.

First off, props to Plonk for his comment above. If you've never had the experience of discovering that you, or someone close to you, have been used without your knowledge or consent for someone's sexual gratification... you just have no idea how violated and soiled and absolutely furious it makes you feel. And I think most women have this happen to them at least once by the time they reach their twenties. If more people understood that feeling, the world would be a better place.

That said... there are other fetishes, obscure and mainstream alike, that are gratified without any manipulation by the fetish-holder. Remember that in the morning when you're getting dressed and you're trying to choose between white socks and any other color of socks. Sooner or later you're going to make a deposit in someone's mental wank-bank whether you want to or not.

WAIT A MINUTE, TONS of relationships are started, by both men and women, with the aid of a 'white lie'...

For example, back when I was living in my apartment, my new neighbor, a recent divorcee, asked me to help her assemble some IKEA furniture for her...

Once I got there, it became abundantly clear that she had other things on her mind then assembling furniture. She 'just so happened' to order enough take-out for two, have a bottle of wine in the refrigerator, and wearing a blouse that made her look beautiful...

In short, while I DIDN'T MIND (at all), she'd invited me to her apartment under largely false pretenses, but who cares? This is part of dating, not a "trick"...

Creepy and beyond disrespectful to even consider this.

Disgusting.

I'm ashamed there are people who think it's reasonable to trick unknowing participants into engaging in their sexual fetish. It's frankly shocking and abhorrent. People think ANTDx's behavior is bad, and it certainly is, but he's at least open with the girls who he attempts to do this, unlike the OP here.

On that level, you are worse than AntDX, so I hope you take this moment to reflect on your reprehensible idea and make some serious changes.

Lol, and did she "trick" you into her bed too or did you do that bit under your own free will?

Read it again and you'll get my point

Would you object to a man lightly fondling your mother's feet? No harm, right? And, for most people it's meaningless.

What if the man had a foot fetish? Would that change your opinion?

What if it wasn't your mother, but a 8-year old child? You still okay with it?

Now, I'm not suggesting the OP's plan is pedophilia, but I used the 8-year old to hammer home a point, hopefully. It's not right. If it's not right to do with you mother or a child, then why would something similar be okay for the OP to do with an unsuspecting delivery girl?

Answer: It wouldn't and you're as wrong as anyone can be.

Hey :/ no need to be like that, I posted here to ask about it because I obviously had doubts about it. Everybody else has been constructive and helpful with their responses, there is no need to come out attacking me..

The big difference is that you are the man. You have nothing to fear. Trust me, the feeling most women have is very different from what you would feel in a situation like this. Even if you didn't like this woman back much, you'd just think she was weird and move on with your life.

Imagine if you pulled the furniture trick with a woman. Chances are that unless she had the hots for you already (like, she was waiting for this moment), she'd be super freaked out by the whole thing and run away terrified. You can't create interest like this, like women can for men (because men don't fear that a woman can do bad things to them).

@Justine,

AGAIN, (I'm pretty sure that) we've all engaged in some (white lie) deceit to secure a date...

Personally, I told a classmate of mine in jr. high that I had karate lessons on Wednesday and that I could only work with her on our Jr. Model UN project on Thursday because I knew my parents took dancing lessons on Thursday and wouldn't be home. In reality, I'd stopped taking karate lessons the year before.

Similarly, I told my parents that the ONLY time my classmate could come over was on Thursday and, after a stern warning they permitted this...

Were it not for these white lies I would have gone to High School a virgin...

BTW; We represented The Federated States of Micronesia and not only dissolved the UN, but won an award for doing so (specifically a coalition of Arab countries-who were over represented-passed a resolution forcing conversion to Islam and we lead a walk-out to establish the 'Union of Civilized Free and Democrat Nations' in the hall)

It's funny to see people get all heated because people don't agree to your underhand and seedy ways. Fair play to the op for admitting he kind of new it wasn't a good idea.

Not much more can be said really. To the lads who have took offence to this because they see no wrong just have a look back at were all the likes are on posts. See how not one of the pro "trick a girl into giving me wank material" have very many.

You can try and justify it however you want. Christ one of you in a previous post saw no issue in going on a mud run that involves kids because "kids have moms". Talk about a total nutcase. You simply can't compare someone planning on tricking someone into doing something and seeing someone randomly wear or do something that turns you on.

Do you really not see a difference in planning on Pieing someone for your own sexual need without there consent and randomly walking down a street and seeing a charity pie throwing that would turn you on?

And all this "I once told I girl I had plans on so she had to come when my parents were out" unless you were going to do something without her consent it's really not the same thing. Everyone will have invited someone out and treated it like a date when maybe the other person didn't. If it goes well great if not you're in the friend zone.

Ok hypothetical question. Your mum, sister, best friend whoever comes home saying how she's doing a charity gunging. You then come on here and read how someone has tricked this women into getting Gunged. No videos going to be taken but he's sure going to enjoy it and keep it stored in his WB. You'd be fine with that? Really?

Surely there can't be someone who reads that and thinks thats an ok thing to do