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CreamMeAgain said: I have many questions: Why do we need it? What is the purpose of using it? How can we benefit from it? I haven't heard any intellectually sound reasoning for creating this technology other than for people who have absolutely no talent to have a computer create something for them. Instead of becoming a good artist, you just tell the computer to create it for you. Instead of becoming a good writer or simply being literate, you can just ask a computer to do it for you. Instead of being a good producer/director/cinematographer, you can just ask a computer to make it for you. So why is what is created so special? So a computer can do something with precision, why does that mean anything special? If a person does something, it's because they actually are talented in it and overcame challenges and actually did work to build that talent. But a computer can do exactly what it's programmed to do, so it's not doing anything beyond what it's being told to do, whoopty shit. It's just not anything to care about. Computers are designed to be precise. Humans are born with limitations and challenges. Overcoming those to create something that no one else can create is far more interesting and spectacular. The act of story telling is far more compelling from a human that is able to express emotion and empathize with and sympathize with. How do I care about what a machine was told to do? The person telling the story lived the experience or dreamed it from their own life experiences, so why would anything a machine was told to do be more important?

Bang on. I would be more in support of AI if it were positioned as the tool it is. But I see so many people wishfully overstating its abilities as a human replacement ("AI will get rid of photographers!" "AI will write your novel for you!" "AI will be your girlfriend!") that I start to think that the biggest supporters of AI are just hacks and creeps who want this to be the thing to absolve them of any responsibility to develop as a person. Not gonna happen.

People just need to stay in their lane. There are some brilliant WAM artists out here, but if they try to put their beautiful messy drawings up against a real photograph of a real woman, the drawing is going to be...still a drawing. Anyone who tries to put their AI WAM video up against a video of a real woman getting real messy is going to remember the value of "counterfeit" goods.

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CreamMeAgain said: I have many questions: Why do we need it? What is the purpose of using it? How can we benefit from it? I haven't heard any intellectually sound reasoning for creating this technology other than for people who have absolutely no talent to have a computer create something for them. Instead of becoming a good artist, you just tell the computer to create it for you. Instead of becoming a good writer or simply being literate, you can just ask a computer to do it for you. Instead of being a good producer/director/cinematographer, you can just ask a computer to make it for you. So why is what is created so special? So a computer can do something with precision, why does that mean anything special? If a person does something, it's because they actually are talented in it and overcame challenges and actually did work to build that talent. But a computer can do exactly what it's programmed to do, so it's not doing anything beyond what it's being told to do, whoopty shit. It's just not anything to care about. Computers are designed to be precise. Humans are born with limitations and challenges. Overcoming those to create something that no one else can create is far more interesting and spectacular. The act of story telling is far more compelling from a human that is able to express emotion and empathize with and sympathize with. How do I care about what a machine was told to do? The person telling the story lived the experience or dreamed it from their own life experiences, so why would anything a machine was told to do be more important?

So here's my biggest argument on this technology and why this should be banned from all video platforms. The violation of consent. Already there are people pointing out how you can use this technology to insert their favorite celebrity into any porn that they want to create. So how does the celebrity feel about having their identity used in this way? It's one thing to fantasize about someone, that's entirely harmless because you're not invading anyone's consent to do it. Your mind is your own. But to create a realistic image of that, it gets really obsessively creepy and downright invasive. If someone doesn't like porn, is deeply religious, and does not consent to making those images of themselves, it is SO COMPLETELY violating to find out that those images could even exist. And if someone is inconsiderate enough to create an image of someone without their consent, what's to stop them from selling it and making money off of it? It's exploitation, it's violation of consent, it's identity theft. I mean, there are so many violating experiences from this kind of technology. And just imagine the level of catfishing that will happen from this. Imagine thinking you're setting up for a date with the most attractive person only to find out that you've been led on by kids making a joke out of you, or a serial killer who will murder the fuck out of you. There are so many levels of fucked up bad that this will lead to because humans can't be trusted. Not in any way, not to be respectful, and especially not to be intellectually responsible with the implications of what these things are capable of doing.

I agree with all this. You get into a mire of really sick ways that this could be used. It's the same reason why there was a popular online refacing tool that was pulled off the internet about 4 years ago or so. It was too good, and People were using it with photos of of their ex's over pornstars faces to make semi passable porn videos without their consent as revenge porn.

Heaven forbid when the real sickos get ahold of this tech when it advances. They can use it for illegal underage content, extortion and blackmail, or even fake ransom videos. imagine someone creating a video to sabotage someone's work or school life. These are the sorts of things that can make people take their own life.

The challenge is how do you set proper boundaries? The technology will make it there likely one day. But will people be able to say it's only for personal use or that it falls under the parody category.

I don't have the slightest idea how it could be regulated. There are countries already known around the world for piracy of copyright products, videos, tools etc.

Hard to believe but startrek touched on the ethics of this very topic. A episode on the next generation where geordie fell in love and started a romantic relationship with a hologram of a woman who helped design the enterprise. He altered protocols of the holodeck Character to have her fall in love with him. It led to a bumpy confrontation when the real Leah brahms found out about the fake version of herself.

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CreamMeAgain said: I have many questions: Why do we need it? What is the purpose of using it? How can we benefit from it?

Well here's someone making a shit post with Donald, Joe, Obama, and Bush2 Electric Boogaloo playing games together and shit talking each other.

https://twitter.com/weirddalle/status/1627992371697680388?s=12&t=8dZjUPzbeZeiA7_pcRBQ3Q

If the average person can currently do this with with basic stuff like ChatGPT, Murf, etc. Then imagine what various world governments can and ARE doing with it.

If there was ever a "created" problem for government to create an answer for MOAR SECURITY, then this is it. Digital ID coming soon. Because without it, how can you trust anything you are viewing anymore as "real". The average person won't and they will only listen to "experts" that align with their political/theological/ideological spectrum.

Digital ID coming soon.

I know this disrails the intended topic, but in addition to the other porn related points that Creamy brought up, I can't see something like this being a force for good or for awesome.

It's used for shitposting at best, horrifying misinformation psyops at worst.

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wamajama said: "Tesla's "self-driving" cars plow into children in broad daylight..."

yikes...a cautionary example of why not to put too much faith in the AI hype, for sure...

Tesla cars are some of the safest ever produced and the technology is in its infancy. The story about killing the child is not grounded in reality

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Right...that is probably a rumor. However, several persons have been killed riding in AI-controlled 'self-driving' cars.

But, you suggest a good point: anti-tech 'hysteria' can also do harm.

But I must correct an earlier statement of mine ('the only limiting factor...') to include (as another limiting factor) the issue of consent (as CremMeAgain pointed out in this thread)...and 'theft' of intellectual property (related to consent).

Currently, there is a law suit (by artists who promote/publicize their art on-line) pending against MS (who owns openai), Google, and others claiming theft of their IP (prior art / creative products)....hopefully, it will lead to some application of sanity in this 'AI rush' we are in the midst of...

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Holland said:

wamajama said: "Tesla's "self-driving" cars plow into children in broad daylight..."

yikes...a cautionary example of why not to put too much faith in the AI hype, for sure...

Tesla cars are some of the safest ever produced and the technology is in its infancy. The story about killing the child is not grounded in reality

As for the technology being in its infancy, yes, that was the point.

As for the rest, I mean, if a human driver routinely swerved into other lanes, ran into barriers, and, yes, mowed down child-sized mannequins in broad daylight (src 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv30xiZ85jU src 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcJPXuhWEUI src 3: https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/21/business/tesla-fsd-tests-kids/index.html etc. etc.), that human driver would have their license revoked. Presumably that's why 362,000 Tesla vehicles had to be recalled specifically because of the "self-driving" feature (src: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCLRPT-23V085-3451.PDF). All the human-focused safety features are great - status monitoring, lane keeping, whatever - but, by definition, those safety features don't help with its catastrophic autopilot software.

So, basically, if the technology is in its infancy (which we agree that it is), why is it allowed on the street? Why are pedestrians, cyclists, and other drivers considered acceptable test subjects for one random company's attempt to make a quick buck?

In some sense, CreamMe and Potatoman are asking similar questions. Why are text-, image-, video-, and audio-generating programs just being dropped on the public? Like, I can understand why corporations want this stuff (cheap inputs into industrial processes that come from non-unionizable machines) and I can even admit that Potatoman has a point with his mild paranoia, but, seriously, what are the rest of us getting out of all these public-facing AI tools? Moderately funnier shitposts? Faceswapped porn? I have yet to hear a reason why any of this is worth the cost that these applications are already imposing on the public, let alone the dangers they will inevitably create as they (slowly) advance.

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