Oh, and one other thing -- re; Objectification: we're here to jerk off! This is a fetish site. For a fetish that is predicated on the objectification of a person (thru mess). So it's OK man! Don't stress about objectifying ppl when you're masturbating. That's totally normal, and totally healthy, and totally fine because it's fantasy, not reality.

It is a-ok to objectify women or men when you're fantasizing. Just don't try to turn your fantasies into reality on here, because that's not how that works, and also not why most of us are on here in the first place (see Point #1 above).

Like, "Hey you look sexy, I'd love to see you in the gungetank" has never once led to 2 strangers that are hundreds (if not thousands) of miles apart, suddenly meeting up to engage in one of their sexual fantasies. I'm sorry, but the conversion rate on that scenario is literally 0%.

At the same time, when a stranger comments to ME that I look sexy and they'd love to see me in the gungetank, I don't consider that "harassment" or problematic.

I think it's dumb (because they like gunge instead of slime) and I think it's lazy (because they haven't done even 30 seconds of research to recognize that I think gunge is dumb and love s l i m e), but the comment to me is as flattering as it is annoying.

And just like me, they're most likely on here to jerk off. So if they wanna jerk off to thinking that I'm going to fly hundreds of miles to sit in a stranger's gungetank so that they can gunge me with stupid thin watery gunge, then I think that's fucking awesome! Good for them! Squeeze your dick til it pops! Rub your clit til your eyes roll back! And have no shame about your fantasies!

Because they're not real. They're just fantasies. And there's nothing wrong with having fantasies (unless your fantasies involve gunge instead of slime )


TLDR;
Nobody should be ashamed of this fetish or objectifying ppl in their fantasies.
Everybody should be the best person they can be in their real life.
None of us should allow actual harassment if/when we see it.
All of us should be jerking off as often as we can.
Slime is better than gunge.

KelseyRose has pretty much nailed it. Been watching this thread but as Lady Jasmine and I were upcountry for the last week didn't want to try and do long replies by phone, though some of the issues are ones we've discussed in detail ourselves.

While "fetish" these days is mainly taken to relate to sexuality and kink, the term originates in archeology, where it refers to "worship of an object". Think of a tribe who create a statue of a deity, and then worship the statue itself as the deity. So in a sexuality context, "fetish" is where you worship (or fixate on) a specific item, or action, or situation - but importantly, it's very non-personal. If someone has a fetish for leather shorts, they'll be turned on by almost anyone wearing leather shorts, and whether they're in a relationship with the wearer or they're just being worn by some random person walking past will make no difference.

So yes, fetish is all about objectification - for most of us here it's about ourselves, and/or one or more members of our preferred gender(s), getting messy, and us getting turned on all the way to orgasm by watching or participating in that. And while everyone has favourite models, at the end of the day they are interchangeable - if someone's into slim girls in pencil skirts sitting in cakes, then any slim girl in a pencil skirt sitting in a cake is going to elicit a very similar reaction. That doesn't mean someone can't strike up a friendship or even a genuine relationship with a slim girl who sits in cakes, but a proper relationship is based on mutual attraction between people on a personal level, which is entirely separate to fetish attraction. This is why the proper answer to "How do I find a partner with a WAM fetish?" is "You find someone you love and who loves you, and who is happy to explore your kinks with you, note you should be happy to explore their kinks too."

The main problem isn't objectification, it's entitlement. It's guys (and it mostly is a straight cis male issue) assuming that because a woman reveals that she's into a certain fetish, she automatically becomes their personal performing monkey to fulfil their personal exact fetish desires on demand. I see this with female friends even outside the fetish sphere, I've a friend who does circus performances and has brightly coloured hair, and gets endlessly pestered by straight men who assume because she's a bit different she's therefore automatically their sexual plaything. That's the kind of attitude that drives women to either leave here, or have a blank profile and never take part in the interactive areas of the site.

MM has done a lot to try and make things better for female members, new female users profiles are automatically locked to only accept messages from approved friends, there's the block functions, etc. But there's only so far that you can solve societal problems with technical fixes, until the underlying core issue of over-entitled guys seeing all women as their personal sex objects regarless of consent, the problem will remain.

Basically it's fine and expected behaviour to objectify posted content, that's what it is for. However wanking to someone's photos or videos does not give anyone any right to demand that the person in the images enter into a personal interaction of any kind. That's the message that needs to be got through to people. Some will want to interact, which is also fine, but no-one should feel they are entitled to a response or a personal relationship.


Aside: On a side issue related to some of the deleted posts in the thread, feminism has nothing at all to do with any form of communism. Basically anyone who believes that women and men should be equal, that anyone, regardless of gender, should be able to do any job that they are capable of doing, that women should be able to vote, own property, drive cars, and go out on their own if they want to, is by default a feminist. I would expect that to include the vast majority of people here, given the alternative is to basically be the Taliban. Of course every movement has it's extremists, but in the same way you wouldn't judge all Christians by the rantings of the Westbro Baptist Church, don't judge feminism by the nonsense from the men-hating fringe. But also be aware of just how much of a threat men are to women - here in the UK, two women a week are murdered by their domestic partners, and there have been cases where guys who couldn't accept that relationships had ended have slaughtered their ex partner and her children, in at least one case via a deliberate gas explosion that put multiple families at risk. Not to mention "incells" going on gun rampages. All of which of course comes back to completely bogus senses of entitlement.

Like Kelsey, I am also here to jerk off. People, please stop making threads I can't punch the clown to.

Can I just say that I am forever in your debt for giving me the term Punching The Clown To as a masturbation term

I would like to nominate Kelsey Rose as my official WAMbassador. Everything Kelsey said on both replies is exactly what I came to say, just reread her posts over and over again with my voice in your head.

Being sex positive is a complex advocacy, because sex is not shameful but it's a physical risk if your partner doesn't respect your right to consent. I've learned some tragic life lessons from this the hard way. The need for respect to consent is above and beyond the main focus of positive sex experiences. Reading a user's profile usually gives you all the info you need about how to approach them. Respecting that should be easy.

Another thing I do want to add is that there are a lot of people out there who are still discovering their sexuality, this is for some a continuous journey that should be given the space to decide how they want to travel on that journey. There are more and more people out there interested in WAM, but they are still shy about it, so overwhelming them can make a bad impression. That being said, I feel confident in our community that there are more awesome people here than un-awesome

What about "indulging oneself in the pleasures of the palm?"

It originated with this bloke, Harvey Denton from The League of Gentlemen

His interests in life are toads, masturbation and lavatories.

I was just thinking this

I am just gonna come out and say it. We all need to see Kelsey in a slime tank. Maybe that will bring peace to the middle east. Maybe it will have guys on here cumming so hard they won't be annoying.