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"Nice Guys Finish First... and Messy"
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No I did not.
Here is my original post........AGAIN:
The U.S. Copyright Office has said that purely AI-generated works (where the AI makes all the creative choices without meaningful human input) cannot be copyrighted.
But if you make significant creative contributions like writing a script, directing the prompts, editing, arranging, or otherwise shaping the final product then the human-made parts can be protected by copyright.
All of those together makes it's NOT a "purely AI generated work."
Here is my original post........AGAIN:
The U.S. Copyright Office has said that purely AI-generated works (where the AI makes all the creative choices without meaningful human input) cannot be copyrighted.
But if you make significant creative contributions like writing a script, directing the prompts, editing, arranging, or otherwise shaping the final product then the human-made parts can be protected by copyright.
All of those together makes it's NOT a "purely AI generated work."
Here's one more short legal opinion. He's currently in a bar, but says he's sober.
A.I. only = weak or no copyright.
A.I that includes your direction, editing, and creativity = strong copyright.
A.I. only = weak or no copyright.
A.I that includes your direction, editing, and creativity = strong copyright.
RobbyWLP said: No I did not.
Here is my original post........AGAIN:
The U.S. Copyright Office has said that purely AI-generated works (where the AI makes all the creative choices without meaningful human input) cannot be copyrighted.
But if you make significant creative contributions like writing a script, directing the prompts, editing, arranging, or otherwise shaping the final product then the human-made parts can be protected by copyright.
All of those together makes it's NOT a "purely AI generated work."
Here is my original post........AGAIN:
The U.S. Copyright Office has said that purely AI-generated works (where the AI makes all the creative choices without meaningful human input) cannot be copyrighted.
But if you make significant creative contributions like writing a script, directing the prompts, editing, arranging, or otherwise shaping the final product then the human-made parts can be protected by copyright.
All of those together makes it's NOT a "purely AI generated work."
Ok, if I have to explain the difference between "and" and "or" then I will. When you list items separated by commas and say "or" instead of "and" then it means it could any of the listed items. When you list stuff separated by commas and use "and" it means all the listed items need to be present.
bizopp713 said:
Ok, if I have to explain the difference between "and" and "or" then I will. When you list items separated by commas and say "or" instead of "and" then it means it could any of the listed items. When you list stuff separated by commas and use "and" it means all the listed items need to be present.
RobbyWLP said: No I did not.
Here is my original post........AGAIN:
The U.S. Copyright Office has said that purely AI-generated works (where the AI makes all the creative choices without meaningful human input) cannot be copyrighted.
But if you make significant creative contributions like writing a script, directing the prompts, editing, arranging, or otherwise shaping the final product then the human-made parts can be protected by copyright.
All of those together makes it's NOT a "purely AI generated work."
Here is my original post........AGAIN:
The U.S. Copyright Office has said that purely AI-generated works (where the AI makes all the creative choices without meaningful human input) cannot be copyrighted.
But if you make significant creative contributions like writing a script, directing the prompts, editing, arranging, or otherwise shaping the final product then the human-made parts can be protected by copyright.
All of those together makes it's NOT a "purely AI generated work."
Ok, if I have to explain the difference between "and" and "or" then I will. When you list items separated by commas and say "or" instead of "and" then it means it could any of the listed items. When you list stuff separated by commas and use "and" it means all the listed items need to be present.
Your passive aggressiveness notwithstanding, you are again selectively quoting....
What does the first paragraph say? It already states that PURELY AI generated works cannot be copyrighted.So since I typed it I already knew that.
The U.S. Copyright Office has said that purely AI-generated works (where the AI makes all the creative choices without meaningful human input) cannot be copyrighted.
But if you make significant creative contributions like writing a script, directing the prompts, editing, arranging, or otherwise shaping the final product then the human-made parts can be protected by copyright.
PLUS...in reality directing prompts CAN be copyrighted if your direction includes creativity. It can't just be a short phrase, but apparently if you use creativity in the prompt in an ongoing story for example, it gives you "human authorship" and human authorship can be copyrighted. So if Al wanted me to write an outline for each "WAM theater piece" that included audio and a story....voila! Copyright.
Now I am NOT a legal person nor do I play one on the UMD, but that comes from an intellectual property law firm that specializes in copyright. So I"m going to assume they know what they are talking about.
But can we get back to why after I have spent 25 years on the UMD producing 40 or so videos with many of them including me getting pied, especially the SPTG videos that you think I have an IMAGINARY WAM partner?
Geez, there's even a video of Jayce pieing me. Is that imaginary too?
Or is that just a projection on your part?
Robby
If work could not be copyrighted that was made using AI, studio execs would not have reduced the role of actors to an 8 hour training session with AI. You can copyright AI. I don't like that it is a thing, but that is where we are. All the movies that have been made using AI are 100% copyright protected.
RobbyWLP said:
Your passive aggressiveness notwithstanding, you are again selectively quoting....
What does the first paragraph say? It already states that PURELY AI generated works cannot be copyrighted.So since I typed it I already knew that.
The U.S. Copyright Office has said that purely AI-generated works (where the AI makes all the creative choices without meaningful human input) cannot be copyrighted.
But if you make significant creative contributions like writing a script, directing the prompts, editing, arranging, or otherwise shaping the final product then the human-made parts can be protected by copyright.
PLUS...in reality directing prompts CAN be copyrighted if your direction includes creativity. It can't just be a short phrase, but apparently if you use creativity in the prompt in an ongoing story for example, it gives you "human authorship" and human authorship can be copyrighted. So if Al wanted me to write an outline for each "WAM theater piece" that included audio and a story....voila! Copyright.
Now I am NOT a legal person nor do I play one on the UMD, but that comes from an intellectual property law firm that specializes in copyright. So I"m going to assume they know what they are talking about.
But can we get back to why after I have spent 25 years on the UMD producing 40 or so videos with many of them including me getting pied, especially the SPTG videos that you think I have an IMAGINARY WAM partner?
Geez, there's even a video of Jayce pieing me. Is that imaginary too?
Or is that just a projection on your part?
Robby
bizopp713 said:
Ok, if I have to explain the difference between "and" and "or" then I will. When you list items separated by commas and say "or" instead of "and" then it means it could any of the listed items. When you list stuff separated by commas and use "and" it means all the listed items need to be present.
RobbyWLP said: No I did not.
Here is my original post........AGAIN:
The U.S. Copyright Office has said that purely AI-generated works (where the AI makes all the creative choices without meaningful human input) cannot be copyrighted.
But if you make significant creative contributions like writing a script, directing the prompts, editing, arranging, or otherwise shaping the final product then the human-made parts can be protected by copyright.
All of those together makes it's NOT a "purely AI generated work."
Here is my original post........AGAIN:
The U.S. Copyright Office has said that purely AI-generated works (where the AI makes all the creative choices without meaningful human input) cannot be copyrighted.
But if you make significant creative contributions like writing a script, directing the prompts, editing, arranging, or otherwise shaping the final product then the human-made parts can be protected by copyright.
All of those together makes it's NOT a "purely AI generated work."
Ok, if I have to explain the difference between "and" and "or" then I will. When you list items separated by commas and say "or" instead of "and" then it means it could any of the listed items. When you list stuff separated by commas and use "and" it means all the listed items need to be present.
Your passive aggressiveness notwithstanding, you are again selectively quoting....
What does the first paragraph say? It already states that PURELY AI generated works cannot be copyrighted.So since I typed it I already knew that.
The U.S. Copyright Office has said that purely AI-generated works (where the AI makes all the creative choices without meaningful human input) cannot be copyrighted.
But if you make significant creative contributions like writing a script, directing the prompts, editing, arranging, or otherwise shaping the final product then the human-made parts can be protected by copyright.
PLUS...in reality directing prompts CAN be copyrighted if your direction includes creativity. It can't just be a short phrase, but apparently if you use creativity in the prompt in an ongoing story for example, it gives you "human authorship" and human authorship can be copyrighted. So if Al wanted me to write an outline for each "WAM theater piece" that included audio and a story....voila! Copyright.
Now I am NOT a legal person nor do I play one on the UMD, but that comes from an intellectual property law firm that specializes in copyright. So I"m going to assume they know what they are talking about.
But can we get back to why after I have spent 25 years on the UMD producing 40 or so videos with many of them including me getting pied, especially the SPTG videos that you think I have an IMAGINARY WAM partner?
Geez, there's even a video of Jayce pieing me. Is that imaginary too?
Or is that just a projection on your part?
Robby
Did you pay Jayce? did Jayce pay you for the video in her store? Did you pay the other models in your videos? Have you ever had someone shoot with you for free? Have you ever been invited onto other producer's shoots? Have you ever been asked to write to contribute to a scene without paying?
You asked:
Did you pay Jayce? did Jayce pay you for the video in her store? Did you pay the other models in your videos? Have you ever had someone shoot with you for free? Have you ever been invited onto other producer's shoots? Have you ever been asked to write to contribute to a scene without paying?
You forgot to ask:
"Joey, do you love gladiator movies?" and "Joey, have you ever seen a grown man naked?"
Now, what does ANY of that have to do with you thinking my WAM life is "imaginary?"
Robby
Did you pay Jayce? did Jayce pay you for the video in her store? Did you pay the other models in your videos? Have you ever had someone shoot with you for free? Have you ever been invited onto other producer's shoots? Have you ever been asked to write to contribute to a scene without paying?
You forgot to ask:
"Joey, do you love gladiator movies?" and "Joey, have you ever seen a grown man naked?"
Now, what does ANY of that have to do with you thinking my WAM life is "imaginary?"
Robby
RobbyWLP said: You asked:
Did you pay Jayce? did Jayce pay you for the video in her store? Did you pay the other models in your videos? Have you ever had someone shoot with you for free? Have you ever been invited onto other producer's shoots? Have you ever been asked to write to contribute to a scene without paying?
You forgot to ask:
"Joey, do you love gladiator movies?" and "Joey, have you ever seen a grown man naked?"
Now, what does ANY of that have to do with you thinking my WAM life is "imaginary?"
Robby
Did you pay Jayce? did Jayce pay you for the video in her store? Did you pay the other models in your videos? Have you ever had someone shoot with you for free? Have you ever been invited onto other producer's shoots? Have you ever been asked to write to contribute to a scene without paying?
You forgot to ask:
"Joey, do you love gladiator movies?" and "Joey, have you ever seen a grown man naked?"
Now, what does ANY of that have to do with you thinking my WAM life is "imaginary?"
Robby
You come in here and write these long self aggrandizing descriptions about how you have managed to meet women and get messy with them and how we should all listen to how you did it with your charm and humor. You hired models like the rest of producers do.
You know what is being different is when a female producer asks your opinion and help because she doesn't know what to do for her first collab, so you write her a script to base it on. It is about a friend offering to model for you for free and sets up an affordable studio so we can make the video right. It is about helping on other producer's shoots because they trust you.
You might have a good relationship with some models but a lot of us do, you aren't special. So I again say thank you for posting the long self aggrandizing memoir nobody asked for.
You said:
You come in here and write these long self aggrandizing descriptions about how you have managed to meet women and get messy with them and how we should all listen to how you did it with your charm and humor. You hired models like the rest of producers do.
No actually I didn't. (See below)
Charm and humor? Something you might wish to consider.
You know what is being different is when a female producer asks your opinion and help because she doesn't know what to do for her first collab, so you write her a script to base it on. It is about a friend offering to model for you for free and sets up an affordable studio so we can make the video right. It is about helping on other producer's shoots because they trust you.
You are being a bit defensive on something I never commented on.
You might have a good relationship with some models but a lot of us do, you aren't special. So I again say thank you for posting the long self aggrandizing memoir nobody asked for.
You come in here and write these long self aggrandizing descriptions about how you have managed to meet women and get messy with them and how we should all listen to how you did it with your charm and humor. You hired models like the rest of producers do.
No actually I didn't. (See below)
Charm and humor? Something you might wish to consider.
You know what is being different is when a female producer asks your opinion and help because she doesn't know what to do for her first collab, so you write her a script to base it on. It is about a friend offering to model for you for free and sets up an affordable studio so we can make the video right. It is about helping on other producer's shoots because they trust you.
You are being a bit defensive on something I never commented on.
You might have a good relationship with some models but a lot of us do, you aren't special. So I again say thank you for posting the long self aggrandizing memoir nobody asked for.
Who said I was "special."
I get thanked for posting rather regularly. But defensiveness noted.
The women in the WLP videos were friends and not hired models.
Rather than pay them a flat fee I gave them half the profits. So, no I never hired a single model in the way you are describing. Never wanted to. So you are wrong yet again.
BTW...I flew Jayce in here, paid for her filght, paid for all the videos we shot including the wardrobe, paid for the hotel we shot in, and took zero money for doing so. I took exactly no cut of her sales either. I did it because she has a WAM skill set most do not have. We agreed I would put the video up on the WLP site after a year. It was actually 3 years.
Again, the women the WLP videos were friends who thought it would be fun to shoot. Susan in the SPTG videos was a very close friend who received all the profits from our shoots minus the cost of rib dinners which she always wanted to pay for.
Are you tired of being wrong yet?
And you STILL haven't told me why I have an imaginary WAM girlfriend as you accused me of having?
You really need to lose the defensiveness about my posting. You do seem to have some kind of hang up about it. There are many here who have thanked me over the years for helping then develop better WAM lives so I'll continue to listen to them as opposed to a WAM producer who comes across as overly defensive.
I've never said this to anyone in 25 years here on the UMD but.......go away. You're annoying.
Robby
RobbyWLP said: You said:
You come in here and write these long self aggrandizing descriptions about how you have managed to meet women and get messy with them and how we should all listen to how you did it with your charm and humor. You hired models like the rest of producers do.
No actually I didn't. (See below)
Charm and humor? Something you might wish to consider.
You know what is being different is when a female producer asks your opinion and help because she doesn't know what to do for her first collab, so you write her a script to base it on. It is about a friend offering to model for you for free and sets up an affordable studio so we can make the video right. It is about helping on other producer's shoots because they trust you.
You are being a bit defensive on something I never commented on.
You might have a good relationship with some models but a lot of us do, you aren't special. So I again say thank you for posting the long self aggrandizing memoir nobody asked for.
You come in here and write these long self aggrandizing descriptions about how you have managed to meet women and get messy with them and how we should all listen to how you did it with your charm and humor. You hired models like the rest of producers do.
No actually I didn't. (See below)
Charm and humor? Something you might wish to consider.
You know what is being different is when a female producer asks your opinion and help because she doesn't know what to do for her first collab, so you write her a script to base it on. It is about a friend offering to model for you for free and sets up an affordable studio so we can make the video right. It is about helping on other producer's shoots because they trust you.
You are being a bit defensive on something I never commented on.
You might have a good relationship with some models but a lot of us do, you aren't special. So I again say thank you for posting the long self aggrandizing memoir nobody asked for.
Who said I was "special."
I get thanked for posting rather regularly. But defensiveness noted.
The women in the WLP videos were friends and not hired models.
Rather than pay them a flat fee I gave them half the profits. So, no I never hired a single model in the way you are describing. Never wanted to. So you are wrong yet again.
BTW...I flew Jayce in here, paid for her filght, paid for all the videos we shot including the wardrobe, paid for the hotel we shot in, and took zero money for doing so. I took exactly no cut of her sales either. I did it because she has a WAM skill set most do not have. We agreed I would put the video up on the WLP site after a year. It was actually 3 years.
Again, the women the WLP videos were friends who thought it would be fun to shoot. Susan in the SPTG videos was a very close friend who received all the profits from our shoots minus the cost of rib dinners which she always wanted to pay for.
Are you tired of being wrong yet?
And you STILL haven't told me why I have an imaginary WAM girlfriend as you accused me of having?
You really need to lose the defensiveness about my posting. You do seem to have some kind of hang up about it. There are many here who have thanked me over the years for helping then develop better WAM lives so I'll continue to listen to them as opposed to a WAM producer who comes across as overly defensive.
I've never said this to anyone in 25 years here on the UMD but.......go away. You're annoying.
Robby
Dude, no one believes the dear penthouse letters you have posted in the past. They mock behind your back. I have gotten 5 messages agreeing with me that you for some reason think your a legend in here. You aren't special and no one is backing you up. You paid a model's airfare, rate, and outfits and are acting like it is special that she shot with you. Here are some of the highlights of the messages I have been getting
"Wasn't this the guy that always had the bullshit "dr penthouse" style stories"
"Robbie always got on my nerves, especially since he did that disappearing act and came back with that post about 'not getting a stinking parade' or whatever. I always thought that Photoslop was actually a Robbie sock puppet and still do. Your comment about him being self-aggrandizing was really on point."
"if it was robby it would be made up lol"
If anyone needs to go away it is you. I don't remember you opening your mouth during the Leon situation. You just care about pretending you are a ladies man and your proof is models you hired.
YOu said:
Dude, no one believes the dear penthouse letters you have posted in the past. They mock behind your back. I have gotten 5 messages agreeing with me that you for some reason think your a legend in here. You aren't special and no one is backing you up. You paid a model's airfare, rate, and outfits and are acting like it is special that she shot with you. Here are some of the highlights of the messages I have been getting
"Wasn't this the guy that always had the bullshit "dr penthouse" style stories"
Yes, I made them all up because all the videos I have pieing with women that people can see were just figments of my imagination.
"People who can...do, people who mock, cannot." That's from Mark Twain, Shania's brother.
I always prefer being mocked behind my back. When they mock in front of my back I get dizzy.
Legend? Where did I say that? Again, projecting much? Yeah, you got 5 messages. Go ahead post them here in the open forum...would love to read them. Seriously, post them and who they are from. Do it.
Backing me up? Why would someone back me up? Did I ask for that? What's to back up?
Where did I say I was "special?"
Throughout this entire thread you are continually saying I said things I never said and that I believe things that I don't believe. It's textbook "projection." (No, I'm not a psychologist, I just play one on the UMD).
And YOU asked me about paying models. YOU brought that up. YOU asked me about it. So I answered. Your questions are right there above for everyone to read. You don't want an answer, don't ask the question.
Yeah "Penthouse"...Hmmm...I"ve seen that before....I wonder where.
"Robbie always got on my nerves, especially since he did that disappearing act and came back with that post about 'not getting a stinking parade' or whatever. I always thought that Photoslop was actually a Robbie sock puppet and still do. Your comment about him being self-aggrandizing was really on point."
Yes, I was very serious about wanting a parade. I still want my UMD parade and I also still want to be named "WAMMer of the Century."
Oh no I got on someone's nerves on a forum. Won't be the first time. Won't be the last.
Again, go ahead let's see those 5 messages and who sent them. It's ok with me. Post 'em. I'm sure we can all have a very intriguing discussion.
I'll let Al know he's sock puppet. He'll like knowing that.
Right. After creating videos for 25 years and meeting a dozen or so people from the UMD I just decided to make things up. Makes perfect sense. (sarcasm font goes here).
Who the Hell is Leon???? What the hell is a Leon? What am I missing?
Ladies man? Let me clear this up. On a scale of 1 to 10...I'm a 5....on a good day. A ladies man I'm not.
But I do know how to talk to women when it comes to getting them to WAM. It doesn't always work, but it's a very effective way of approaching the concept of finding WAM ladies to play with. I'm an old fart so I know what works and what doesn't. Experience is a great teacher. I've been very lucky both in business and in WAM so I want to pay it forward. No other agenda or motive.
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But hey, if people don't want to know, I certainly wouldn't force them to read or listen.
I really only care about the people I've met from here...good people who sometimes need help in regard to their businesses outside of their WAM lives. I had a great mentor who helped me with my businesses so now I offer my help to pay it forward. But certainly don't want to force my advice on anyone.
You don't seem to understand that and have some kind of hang up about A.I. on top of it. But not in a normal way, almost in some kind of psychotic way.
Why would you or anyone else think I made up WAM partners? Forget the WLP site and my friends who I got to play with from there. You think Susan from She Pies The Guy was some figment of my imagination? She wasn't a model. She was a friend AND a WAM friend. There are 7 videos that show that. I'm sure you have some kind of rationalization for that too.
You are what my sainted Jewish grandmother called....."meshugge."
Dude, no one believes the dear penthouse letters you have posted in the past. They mock behind your back. I have gotten 5 messages agreeing with me that you for some reason think your a legend in here. You aren't special and no one is backing you up. You paid a model's airfare, rate, and outfits and are acting like it is special that she shot with you. Here are some of the highlights of the messages I have been getting
"Wasn't this the guy that always had the bullshit "dr penthouse" style stories"
Yes, I made them all up because all the videos I have pieing with women that people can see were just figments of my imagination.
"People who can...do, people who mock, cannot." That's from Mark Twain, Shania's brother.
I always prefer being mocked behind my back. When they mock in front of my back I get dizzy.
Legend? Where did I say that? Again, projecting much? Yeah, you got 5 messages. Go ahead post them here in the open forum...would love to read them. Seriously, post them and who they are from. Do it.
Backing me up? Why would someone back me up? Did I ask for that? What's to back up?
Where did I say I was "special?"
Throughout this entire thread you are continually saying I said things I never said and that I believe things that I don't believe. It's textbook "projection." (No, I'm not a psychologist, I just play one on the UMD).
And YOU asked me about paying models. YOU brought that up. YOU asked me about it. So I answered. Your questions are right there above for everyone to read. You don't want an answer, don't ask the question.
Yeah "Penthouse"...Hmmm...I"ve seen that before....I wonder where.
"Robbie always got on my nerves, especially since he did that disappearing act and came back with that post about 'not getting a stinking parade' or whatever. I always thought that Photoslop was actually a Robbie sock puppet and still do. Your comment about him being self-aggrandizing was really on point."
Yes, I was very serious about wanting a parade. I still want my UMD parade and I also still want to be named "WAMMer of the Century."
Oh no I got on someone's nerves on a forum. Won't be the first time. Won't be the last.
Again, go ahead let's see those 5 messages and who sent them. It's ok with me. Post 'em. I'm sure we can all have a very intriguing discussion.
I'll let Al know he's sock puppet. He'll like knowing that.
Right. After creating videos for 25 years and meeting a dozen or so people from the UMD I just decided to make things up. Makes perfect sense. (sarcasm font goes here).
Who the Hell is Leon???? What the hell is a Leon? What am I missing?
Ladies man? Let me clear this up. On a scale of 1 to 10...I'm a 5....on a good day. A ladies man I'm not.
But I do know how to talk to women when it comes to getting them to WAM. It doesn't always work, but it's a very effective way of approaching the concept of finding WAM ladies to play with. I'm an old fart so I know what works and what doesn't. Experience is a great teacher. I've been very lucky both in business and in WAM so I want to pay it forward. No other agenda or motive.
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But hey, if people don't want to know, I certainly wouldn't force them to read or listen.
I really only care about the people I've met from here...good people who sometimes need help in regard to their businesses outside of their WAM lives. I had a great mentor who helped me with my businesses so now I offer my help to pay it forward. But certainly don't want to force my advice on anyone.
You don't seem to understand that and have some kind of hang up about A.I. on top of it. But not in a normal way, almost in some kind of psychotic way.
Why would you or anyone else think I made up WAM partners? Forget the WLP site and my friends who I got to play with from there. You think Susan from She Pies The Guy was some figment of my imagination? She wasn't a model. She was a friend AND a WAM friend. There are 7 videos that show that. I'm sure you have some kind of rationalization for that too.
You are what my sainted Jewish grandmother called....."meshugge."
You know what you can keep telling yourself you are winning this argument and look good but there are a ton of people like my points and not a lot liking yours. I am not dragging people into the public that don't want to be. There are people even coming out of the woodwork that knew you back in the 90s calling you a bullshitter back then too. I don't really care, I am just the first person willing to say what we are all thinking. Why are we letting this jackass come and act like he's this guru. You're not, your stories from old posts were laughable. Now you and you business partner are trying to create AI and sell it at a higher cost than Jayce's videos who you are friends with, higher than Rich's videos who claimed, what did you say?, "the WAM whisperer". I can tell you a lot of use don't appreciate that and don't appreciate you. Oh and also claiming "Most of it has to with being nice, having a good sense of humor and also not seeming needy." Like you have to tell people how to act because you think other people don't treat models right. Other than my willingness to call people out on their BS you'll never hear anyone else on here speak poorly about my dealings with them or my genuine nature other than the people I call out.
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